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10th May 2017, 01:13 AM | #241 |
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10th May 2017, 01:28 AM | #242 |
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To be honest, I'm not close enough to all the issues at hand to speak with any kind of value on why these events have come about, but for what it's worth, here are my thoughts:
1. I'm surprised it took this long. Comey seems to have been all over the place, changing his mind and having to correct information. If I did my job that way, I'd expect to be at least reprimanded, and possibly fired, so I don't really see it as that shocking as an isolated act. I haven't seen anyone defending Comey as a fine FBI Director who has been unfairly targeted. 2. The wording of the letter from Trump is odd. Who wrote that? Who approved it? The sentence about investigations in the middle of the fairly routine formal stuff stands out like a sore thumb, and is such a non-sequitur.
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10th May 2017, 01:31 AM | #243 |
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"Interesting" way to recuse yourself from involvement in the FBI investigation into allegations of Russian involvement in the election and allegations of Russian ties to the Trump administration and business - to advise the sacking of the FBI director
That's not to say that Comey should still be in post, IMO his leaking of information was a factor in Hillary's defeat and seemed very partial, but I query both the timing and the actual (as opposed to stated) motivation. The BBC are suggesting that Chris Christie or Rudy Giuliani could be in line to be the next FBI director. If that's the case then I don't think that the right motives apply. |
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If there's one thing that could make this worse for The Hair, it's pushing a "drop the Russia" investigation" narrative while defending the Comey firing. I really hope he does. Worse for The Hair is better for the country.
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10th May 2017, 03:20 AM | #247 |
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Well, it looks like the narrative is starting, at least:
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10th May 2017, 03:30 AM | #249 |
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I don't think so. It was O'Reilly's advertisers threatening to leave like fleas dropping off of a sick rat that caused Fox to dump him. The new allegations may have been what influenced the advertisers, but that isn't the same thing. If they had stayed on board any number of new allegations wouldn't have fazed Fox. Fox has canned responses for those, as long as it doesn't hurt them in the wallet. |
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10th May 2017, 04:00 AM | #251 |
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That's one messed up letter. The core of it is that Comey shouldn't have offered any opinion about prosecution. However, he was asked to do so. The author of the letter talks about "nearly unanimous" condemnation of Comey's actions. That just shows the guy is living in an echo chamber. Until I actually read the letter, I was thinking that maybe there was a good excuse for this. Maybe it was that some insiders were worried that all this presidential politics stuff had distracted him from his real duties, and maybe the real problem was that some of the other things the FBI was supposed to do were not being done well. Now that I've seen the reasons stated, we can confirm that's not true. It's politics, politics, and politics. Good luck, Donald, and I do not mean that sincerely, even a little bit. You are going to find that being a reality TV star isn't nearly a much fun when you cannot write the script or edit the final version. |
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Who are you and what did you do with Puppycow?
Firing Comey taints the investigation, and once Trump appoints a toadie, it will subvert the investigation. The senate doesn't have a staff to speak of. They depend on the FBI. The House committee has already been blown up. Whatever Comey's failings, the real "failing" is that Trump couldn't control him. This is a bare naked attempt to subvert the investigation, no less obvious than when Nixon fired Cox. The notion that Comey's handling of Clinton -- which delighted Trump and earned his praise --- is the actual reason is ******** on steroids. Doesn't pass the giggle test. |
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10th May 2017, 04:12 AM | #253 |
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Unfortunately, the GOP-controlled House and Senate will not want to cause waves w.r.t. the Trump administration and so Trump will be free to install his own creature as FBI director and then he'll have the choice of letting the FBI investigation wither and die or indeed direct it to exonerate him completely and instead blame Obama.
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I'd think Washington area chiropractors are in boom times...
...treating for whiplash. On both sides. "Comey - Hero or Goat?" From the left: Declines to prosecute Hillary: Hero. Informs congress of potential evidence coming to light in the investigation: Goat. Fired by Trump: Hero. And from the right, flip everything 180°. Fascinating to watch, but in a "car wreck" sort of way. |
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I know little about Sasse, but for decades IMO McCain has talked a good game but when push comes to shove he meekly falls in line with the party.
I don't think that McCain will do anything material with respect to this. He may make noises about "considering" doing things but in the end he'll capitulate. By firing Comey, and installing his own man, Trump will have managed to stop all investigations into links with Russia. |
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Are they defending Comey, because I haven't heard that from this side of the Atlantic. What I have heard is that, given the praise heaped on Comey by Trump during and immediately after the election campaign w.r.t. the e-mail investigation, it's strange that he's being fired for that same thing.
Instead they are questioning motives and suggesting that this has more to do with killing off the Russia investigations. |
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You do know that this isn't a counter-argument, right?
This is basically all you're doing these days: call something silly, laugh it off, and ignore it. Gee, that's some mighty skepticism, there. Which is ridiculous. It makes no sense to fire him now for something that happened six months ago when he had plenty of time to do it right off the bat, and when there's a much better explanation available. And this is besides the fact that Trump thought Comey's behaviour back then was a-ok. And since Trump never tells the truth, you know that what he says is also a lie. |
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We know for a fact that...
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10th May 2017, 05:18 AM | #279 |
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10th May 2017, 05:20 AM | #280 |
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Comey's dismissal is not sitting well with the ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GlennThru...69645197373440 https://mobile.twitter.com/SenatorBu...91699534921729 |
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