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10th May 2017, 05:23 AM | #281 |
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This is the second time in history. Bill Clinton fired the FBI director for petty corruption, e.g. using government money to upgrade his home. It was uncontroversial; Clinton wasn't being investigated.
There's a reason that FBI directors are supposed to serve a 10 year term. |
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10th May 2017, 05:32 AM | #283 |
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Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot. |
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10th May 2017, 05:34 AM | #284 |
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This is not hypocrisy.
It is not hypocrisy to say that Comey's actions were gravely wrong and he should resign and then months later to be concerned when Trump fires Comey (even putatively for those same actions) when the firing appears to be connected to the Russia investigation. Perhaps Comey's actions back then were a firing offence[1], but that does not mean that any firing of Comey is excusable just because you can point to that prior offence. [1] I honestly have no idea. I vacillate on my opinion of Comey's actions. |
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The people on the forum making a claim often point to the fact that some agency is investigating. But that isn't evidence, that is merely pointing to a group making claims themselves and haven't presented their evidence. At this stage, they are the equivalent of psychics right now.
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10th May 2017, 05:46 AM | #286 |
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10th May 2017, 05:50 AM | #288 |
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And Clinton's firing of Sessions had a six month investigation and 161 page report.
https://lawfareblog.com/nightmare-sc...ould-stand-him He wasn't mad that Sessions wouldn't lie for him to give his false claims credibility and make an active investigation into the President go away. |
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10th May 2017, 06:07 AM | #290 |
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Donald is at it on twitter again. He's a man-child, sheesuz on a stick! I hope the Senate finally appoints an independent investigator.
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10th May 2017, 06:14 AM | #293 |
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Thanks much. That makes a good bit of sense to me.
I expect that Trump is the type of executive who always like to have some dirt on his key subordinates, so that he always has a ready rationale to excise any subordinate (or subordinates) any time that Trump considers it convenient to do so. |
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10th May 2017, 06:19 AM | #294 |
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10th May 2017, 06:21 AM | #295 |
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Notice that people are calling for an independent INVESTIGATION, not immediate impeachment or jailing.
Also, the FBI has a bunch of evidence that the Congressional Investigative Committees were in the process of negotiating access to when Comey was fired. There is more than sufficient probable cause to justify a thorough investigation by an independent body. I'm not sure why you think the case needs to be fully proven right now. |
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I agree there is sufficient evidence for an investigation. You are allowed to start the lowest level investigation on little more than a hunch and there is way more than that
Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem like the people I'm arguing with (Hercules, and others) simply see it as a question if there should be an investigation or not. I think they see it as a question of did or did not do it. |
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Great New Yorker piece on this:
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-c...social_twitter We haven't spent a lot of time discussing Sessions role in this, but holy **** - the guy had to recuse himself from the investigation because he lied to the Senate (I mean, misrepresented facts...) and he's the one supposedly justifying Comey's dismissal. This whole thing stinks. |
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I'm not even sure the president couldn't fire a special prosecutor for any old reason. Constitutionally, it's supposed to be a gentlemen's agreement, but technically it's under the executive branch, by constitutional design, and the president can fire that person. The constitution does not authorize the legislative branch to interfere with a core executive branch power. Probably would roll out like this: President fires the new-and-improved-unfirable special prosecutor anyway. Congress: "He can't fire this executive-branch underling!" Pres: "Yes, I can. I am the head of the executive branch, and I enforce the laws." Supreme Court: "He's right." Congress: "Fine, let's start impeachment proceedings." Prest: "I resign effective 3:33 AM tomorrow morning, after one last tweet." |
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10th May 2017, 07:10 AM | #314 |
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Yeah, maybe I was going overboard there
IMO well over 50% of the electorate (I'd estimate 75%+) don't because either they simply don't care about "politics" and/or they are enthusiastic GOP/Trump supporters. The news media don't really seem to care otherwise they'd be making a much bigger deal of things. |
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10th May 2017, 07:13 AM | #316 |
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Trump's letter was too thinly disguised to be credible. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
And in this case the technically correct interpretation of that quote applies:
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Blaming it on Clinton issues and thinking the Democrats would cheer is the epitome of stupidity. |
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10th May 2017, 07:21 AM | #318 |
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We aren't. But Trump apparently thought we'd be so happy about Comey getting his due (IMO for breaking a longstanding protocol of not doing anything that might affect an election) that we wouldn't notice Trump's real reason. Why you are buying the faux reason defies the evidence and common sense.
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10th May 2017, 07:23 AM | #319 |
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Good morning. This morning Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, dismissed a question by a reporter with a sarcastic remark about the firing of Comey. I wonder if this firing, at this time, was done for "Entertainment" purposes like the most polite missile strike was on Syria was for the Chinese President was? Will they be having a big beautiful piece of chocolate cake when Trump meets with Sergey Lavrov?
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