Drag Shows!!

[Checkmite]

Originally Posted by Thermal

I really don't think you understood what I was saying.

Okay, then elaborate. When you say:

If the average high school student knows it wouldn't pass freedom of expression standards, the legislators sponsoring such bills should be sanctioned for frivolous legislation and fined, say, half their net worth.

...who's supposed to be applying such sanctions to those legislators? The voters who clearly approve of the bills? The other legislators who have no problem passing them? The courts who repeatedly rule the bills valid contrary to what you assert "the average high school student knows" about freedom of expression?

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by Checkmite

Okay, then elaborate.

No. The issue is not my words, but why you literally spun them so hard as to mean the opposite of what I posted.

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When you say:

If the average high school student knows it wouldn't pass freedom of expression standards, the legislators sponsoring such bills should be sanctioned for frivolous legislation and fined, say, half their net worth.

...who's supposed to be applying such sanctions to those legislators? The voters who clearly approve of the bills? The other legislators who have no problem passing them? The courts who repeatedly rule the bills valid contrary to what you assert "the average high school student knows" about freedom of expression?

Are you seriously saying that you took an offhand expression of contempt for abusing the legislative process to throw up a cheap dog and pony show as a sober recommendation for sanctions equivalent to half a legislators net worth? I don't believe you.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by Robin

Bumping the OP

Oddly, I'm one of the very few in this thread to consider the OP. What has it accomplished? Another poster said there were links on social media showing what it was being used for, but I couldn't find anything (said poster went suddenly quiet when this was pointed out).

As near as I can see, this site is...well, nothing. Sarah Gonzalez put it up, then nothing came of it. It's kind of a dumb thing done by someone who does such dumb things for other dumb people, and nothing comes of it.

[wareyin]

Originally Posted by Thermal

Oddly, I'm one of the very few in this thread to consider the OP. What has it accomplished? Another poster said there were links on social media showing what it was being used for, but I couldn't find anything (said poster went suddenly quiet when this was pointed out).

As near as I can see, this site is...well, nothing. Sarah Gonzalez put it up, then nothing came of it. It's kind of a dumb thing done by someone who does such dumb things for other dumb people, and nothing comes of it.

Just to be sure, in this thread where even you have commented on the neo-Nazi protests that get planned around drag queen story hours, you're now wondering what conservatives reporting to each other when and where drag story hours are causes?

[Brainster]

Originally Posted by Thermal

Oddly, I'm one of the very few in this thread to consider the OP. What has it accomplished? Another poster said there were links on social media showing what it was being used for, but I couldn't find anything (said poster went suddenly quiet when this was pointed out).

As near as I can see, this site is...well, nothing. Sarah Gonzalez put it up, then nothing came of it. It's kind of a dumb thing done by someone who does such dumb things for other dumb people, and nothing comes of it.

There are five "reported shows" at addresses like 321 Dangerous Road.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by wareyin

Just to be sure, in this thread where even you have commented on the neo-Nazi protests that get planned around drag queen story hours, you're now wondering what conservatives reporting to each other when and where drag story hours are causes?

Interestingly, it was many pages ago that I questioned that. I guess you don't memorize the posts either

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by Brainster

There are five "reported shows" at addresses like 321 Dangerous Road.

I see the site and it's reports are a real hotbed of activity. They have a running total of 6 business owners who cancelled a drag show or set an age limit, nationwide. That's 6, mind you. We're not talking 5, here. El sixo. Like, more than the amount of fingers you have on one hand. This is a movement, people.

[wareyin]

Originally Posted by Thermal

Interestingly, it was many pages ago that I questioned that. I guess you don't memorize the posts either

Yes, the fact that you've already commented on the results isn't important, the important part is that you were wondering what the results were a couple of pages ago, after a different time that you had commented on the results.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by wareyin

Yes, the fact that you've already commented on the results isn't important, the important part is that you were wondering what the results were a couple of pages ago, after a different time that you had commented on the results.

Yes...yes that means I'm still wondering. You know, because it is the alleged topic here. So I continue to wonder about it. You feeling ok?

[wareyin]

Originally Posted by Thermal

Yes...yes that means I'm still wondering. You know, because it is the alleged topic here. So I continue to wonder about it. You feeling ok?

I'm just marveling at you commenting on the results, admitting that you've commented on the results, then continuing to act as though you don't know what the results are and just wish someone would inform you. Again.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by wareyin

I'm just marveling at you commenting on the results, admitting that you've commented on the results, then continuing to act as though you don't know what the results are and just wish someone would inform you. Again.

I think you don't have the slightest idea what we are talking about. Let's take it from the top again:

This site appears to be doing nothing at all that I can see. I ask if others are aware of any impact the site has had. No response. You with me?

The site's Events link is dead. Under recent posts, though, two days ago there was a Call to Action post against a venue called On Rotation. As near as I can tell, this is the first activity on the site. The 6 other claimed actions were a result of the complaining of their nationwide affiliate organization. Still following?

So I ask again: is anyone aware of this site actually doing anything? They may be active on social media, but I'm not, so others may be aware of some activity. Did we lose you?

It may just be an empty money/donation hustle for RahRah Gonzalez. But no one seems much interested in her, despite it being her site and no one else involved, except for the other groups she retweets. Are you still marvelling?

[Checkmite]

Originally Posted by Thermal

Are you seriously saying that you took an offhand expression of contempt for abusing the legislative process to throw up a cheap dog and pony show as a sober recommendation for sanctions equivalent to half a legislators net worth? I don't believe you.

You didn't believe the last person who accidentally took something you said seriously for a moment either, so I suppose that tracks.

[Stacyhs]

This thread:

[dann]

Originally Posted by dann

This is the first time I have heard about Drag Queen Story Hour in Denmark, but my local library will have it this Friday

I could kick myself, but I completely forgot about this until Friday night when I watched the news and it was too late.
Mens dragqueens blæste sæbebobler over hujende børn, faldt en demonstration fra hinanden uden for (tv2kosmopol.dk, Mar 17, 2023)
While drag queens were blowing soap bubbles in front of rejoicing children, a demonstration fell apart outside
Photos in the article.

More here: Glade forældre efter dragshow: 'Der er ikke andet end kærlighed i bygningen' (DR.dk, Mar 17, 2023)
Et par hundreder er samlet til demonstrationer for og imod dragshow (Nordjyske.dk, Mar 17, 2023)
Several press photos and two short videos
Short video from the library: It seems to have been more of a show than merely a story hour.

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

There were only "between 25 and 50" protesters, and "probably five to six times as many" counter-protesters, but the counter-protest seems to have been more of a party celebrating diversity.

The woman, Isla Tusindstråle (sounds like a hippie name), who had encouraged people to protest against the story hour, came from a town 160 km away, Odense, birthplace of Hans Christian Andersen. She had more grievances than just Drag Queen Story Hour: "She talks about John Dillermand and free pornography that all children can find on the internet."

Some of you may be familiar with John Dillermand from my thread about him. I really, really, really should have been there for the counter-protest.

If you live in a red state, be prepared to receive Isla Tusindstråle as a political refugee.

[wareyin]

Originally Posted by Thermal

I think you don't have the slightest idea what we are talking about. Let's take it from the top again:

This site appears to be doing nothing at all that I can see. I ask if others are aware of any impact the site has had. No response. You with me?

The site's Events link is dead. Under recent posts, though, two days ago there was a Call to Action post against a venue called On Rotation. As near as I can tell, this is the first activity on the site. The 6 other claimed actions were a result of the complaining of their nationwide affiliate organization. Still following?

So I ask again: is anyone aware of this site actually doing anything? They may be active on social media, but I'm not, so others may be aware of some activity. Did we lose you?

It may just be an empty money/donation hustle for RahRah Gonzalez. But no one seems much interested in her, despite it being her site and no one else involved, except for the other groups she retweets. Are you still marvelling?

Can you clarify if you think you were correct when you claimed that this site had (only) shut down 6 events, or if you think you were correct when you claimed that this site has had zero results despite being part of a network which can and has organized the protests you've commented about?

I ask because 1) you're contradicting yourself, and 2) you get all huffy if people take your preposterous claims seriously but you also get all huffy if we don't and I just want to know which aspect you'd like to get huffy about this time.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by wareyin

Can you clarify if you think you were correct when you claimed that this site had (only) shut down 6 events, or if you think you were correct when you claimed that this site has had zero results despite being part of a network which can and has organized the protests you've commented about?

No, because it would be pointless and stupid. I was ridiculing both the larger movement and this site specifically without bothering to clarify which I meant specifically, because it didn't matter. Why doesn't it matter? Because the same criticism was being leveled at both Which group of a-hos was being called "they" doesn't make a flip of difference in context. I really don't think we need to meticulously spell every "they" out with crayons and small words.

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I ask because 1) you're contradicting yourself, and 2) you get all huffy if people take your preposterous claims seriously but you also get all huffy if we don't and I just want to know which aspect you'd like to get huffy about this time.

Wasn't this over last week?

[wareyin]

Originally Posted by Thermal

No, because it would be pointless and stupid. I was ridiculing both the larger movement and this site specifically without bothering to clarify which I meant specifically, because it didn't matter. Why doesn't it matter? Because the same criticism was being leveled at both Which group of a-hos was being called "they" doesn't make a flip of difference in context. I really don't think we need to meticulously spell every "they" out with crayons and small words.

Gotcha, "only" 6 cancelled shows and a disturbingly large number of armed protests at many other shows is nothing, but only sometimes. This is one of those "why did you think I was being serious" times.

Originally Posted by Thermal

Wasn't this over last week?

I don't bother to log in on the weekends any more, so I'll reply to what you said on Friday when I next log on. I didn't realize that you fell that responding to your posts has a time limit, but I can't say I will respect that opinion.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by wareyin

Gotcha, "only" 6 cancelled shows

Yet another reading comprehension fail. RahRah claims 6 were cancelled or had age restrictions put on them, and there is no indication that it was the actions of these groups that prompted them, or if she just thinks that, or is entirely making **** up. Either way, a pathetic performance. That's out of a nation of hundreds of millions, btw.

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and a disturbingly large number of armed protests at many other shows is nothing,

That's a lie. You are lying again. I am talking about the effectiveness of this website and the sponsoring groups and Gonzo's efforts, not independent protests.

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but only sometimes. This is one of those "why did you think I was being serious" times.

No, this is you straining for a cheap gotcha, and it's boring as hell.

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I don't bother to log in on the weekends any more, so I'll reply to what you said on Friday when I next log on. I didn't realize that you fell that responding to your posts has a time limit, but I can't say I will respect that opinion.

My bad. I thought you had finally realized it was a pointless and stupid argument. Turns out you were just taking a break and picked up on the same stupid and pointless place you left off.

Yet again:as near as I can tell, this website is literally ineffective. I'm asking if other posters are aware (via social media or whatever) if this is actually active and doing something. There are five events listed (in one of the nation's most populated states), and all seem to be spoof locations that slipped by DOKTX. This might be interesting, in that it might show that these groups are impotent in drag protesting, or perhaps that drag protesters can't.. you know...read, or operate computers or phones.

[wareyin]

Originally Posted by Thermal

Yet another reading comprehension fail. RahRah claims 6 were cancelled or had age restrictions put on them, and there is no indication that it was the actions of these groups that prompted them, or if she just thinks that, or is entirely making **** up. Either way, a pathetic performance. That's out of a nation of hundreds of millions, btw.

What, exactly, do you think what you just wrote contradicts of corrects? I've pointed out your minimizing tactics already, so repeating the "only" 6 shows, then contrasting that with the population of America is just ratcheting your dishonest tactics up a notch there.

Originally Posted by Thermal

That's a lie. You are lying again. I am talking about the effectiveness of this website and the sponsoring groups and Gonzo's efforts, not independent protests.

Ah, you're dishonestly pretending that all these conservative groups are acting independently despite their own claims of working together, in order to claim that "this tree isn't part of the forest, all these leaves on the ground were put there by other, independent trees".

Originally Posted by Thermal

No, this is you straining for a cheap gotcha, and it's boring as hell.

You're free to stop responding when I call out your contradictory claims, if you find the number of times I must do so to be so boring.

Originally Posted by Thermal

My bad. I thought you had finally realized it was a pointless and stupid argument. Turns out you were just taking a break and picked up on the same stupid and pointless place you left off.

Yet again:as near as I can tell, this website is literally ineffective. I'm asking if other posters are aware (via social media or whatever) if this is actually active and doing something. There are five events listed (in one of the nation's most populated states), and all seem to be spoof locations that slipped by DOKTX. This might be interesting, in that it might show that these groups are impotent in drag protesting, or perhaps that drag protesters can't.. you know...read, or operate computers or phones.

Brah, if your argument is so pointless and stupid, I repeat that you are free to stop responding when I point out another time you've contradicted yourself.

You still can't see the forest while you focus on one tree.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by wareyin

What, exactly, do you think what you just wrote contradicts of corrects? I've pointed out your minimizing tactics already, so repeating the "only" 6 shows, then contrasting that with the population of America is just ratcheting your dishonest tactics up a notch there.




Ah, you're dishonestly pretending that all these conservative groups are acting independently despite their own claims of working together, in order to claim that "this tree isn't part of the forest, all these leaves on the ground were put there by other, independent trees".



You're free to stop responding when I call out your contradictory claims, if you find the number of times I must do so to be so boring.



Brah, if your argument is so pointless and stupid, I repeat that you are free to stop responding when I point out another time you've contradicted yourself.

You still can't see the forest while you focus on one tree.

Wareyin. This OP was about a website, DOKTX. I'm asking a bit about it, as it seems to be utterly flaccid. That has nothing to do with the larger drag protesting movement and attempts to stut them down. Do you understand that? I am pointing out that this OP site failed, and miserably. That is an actual on-topic discussion point. Your endless weak-ass floundering for a gotcha is ******* boring.

[wareyin]

Originally Posted by Thermal

Wareyin. This OP was about a website, DOKTX. I'm asking a bit about it, as it seems to be utterly flaccid. That has nothing to do with the larger drag protesting movement and attempts to stut them down. Do you understand that? I am pointing out that this OP site failed, and miserably. That is an actual on-topic discussion point. Your endless weak-ass floundering for a gotcha is ******* boring.

Thermal, how can you still fail to understand that this website is part of the larger drag protesting movement? This is that forest for the trees thing I alluded to twice in the post you quoted without reading.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by wareyin

Thermal, how can you still fail to understand that this website is part of the larger drag protesting movement? This is that forest for the trees thing I alluded to twice in the post you quoted without reading.

I do understand this, and had you briefly removed your head from between your gluteals, you would already know this.

What I am doing, as I've said so many times now, is briefly asking about a point directly related to the actual OP. It's not the all-encompassing meta argument you so excitedly fantasize about.

[wareyin]

Originally Posted by Thermal

I do understand this, and had you briefly removed your head from between your gluteals, you would already know this.

What I am doing, as I've said so many times now, is briefly asking about a point directly related to the actual OP. It's not the all-encompassing meta argument you so excitedly fantasize about.

If you actually understood that, you wouldn't insist on reviewing their acts in a vacuum as you are doing now.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by wareyin

If you actually understood that, you wouldn't insist on reviewing their acts in a vacuum as you are doing now.

You genuinely don't understand that you can briefly look at one element independently, do you? I mean it's not an act. You really don't understand it.

[wareyin]

Originally Posted by Thermal

You genuinely don't understand that you can briefly look at one element independently, do you? I mean it's not an act. You really don't understand it.

Oh, I certainly understand the tactic of trying to disassociate this group of anti-drag ******** from the group of ant-drag ******** they claim to be a part of in order to minimize the situation.

But I'll play along for the sake of funsies: sure, Thermal, despite their claims to have shut down 6 shows, and despite their claims to be part of the successful larger group of anti-drag protestors who have been organizing these armed protests, we should totally pretend that they're harmless because Thermal wants to. Wheee, ignoring reality is fun!

[arthwollipot]

Death threat made against Mount Gambier Library staff over drag queen Dolly Diamond's book reading

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Police say a death threat has been made against staff at the Mount Gambier Library over hosting a drag queen who is set to read books to "children of all ages" tomorrow.

Dolly Diamond's book reading has garnered controversy in the city in South Australia's south-east ahead of her show, part of the Mount Gambier Fringe.

Similar book readings have attracted protests in the US over the past few months, as well as interstate.

An SA Police spokesman said officers would be "monitoring the community event".

"Threats to any member of the community are unacceptable and any acts of violence will be responded to accordingly," he said.

The City of Mount Gambier council also confirmed a threat had been made over the phone to a staff member at the library.

What happens in America never takes very long to appear here.

ETA: The only upside to this story is that I learned that there exists a childrens' book called My Unicorn Farts Glitter.

[Robin]

Originally Posted by Thermal

Oddly, I'm one of the very few in this thread to consider the OP. What has it accomplished? Another poster said there were links on social media showing what it was being used for, but I couldn't find anything (said poster went suddenly quiet when this was pointed out).

As near as I can see, this site is...well, nothing. Sarah Gonzalez put it up, then nothing came of it. It's kind of a dumb thing done by someone who does such dumb things for other dumb people, and nothing comes of it.

Someone jumping on the bandwagon. The people that individually jump on it are not the problem. It's the bandwagon

Just like when you get a social media mob to get someone cancelled. Each individual tweet is harmless.

But pretty soon the lie gets spread and people start unconsciously making the association they want you to make.

As I pointed out earlier, it seems to have worked on you.

[Darat]

Undercover agents saw nothing ‘lewd’ at Orlando drag show. Florida is going after venue anyway

.....“Besides some of the outfits being provocative (bikinis and short shorts), agents did not witness any lewd acts such as exposure of genital organs,” the brief report stated. “The performers did not have any physical contact while performing to the rhythm of the music with any patrons.”.....


...But in February, the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation filed a complaint against the nonprofit that runs Plaza Live, accusing the venue of exposing children to sexual content....

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by Robin

Someone jumping on the bandwagon. The people that individually jump on it are not the problem. It's the bandwagon

Just like when you get a social media mob to get someone cancelled. Each individual tweet is harmless.

But pretty soon the lie gets spread and people start unconsciously making the association they want you to make.

As I pointed out earlier, it seems to have worked on you.

Ah, I see. So this "bandwagon" is the popular opinion that the site is ineffective, possibly meaning that drag show opposers are functionally illiterate, and that Sarah Gonzalez is a raving homophobe who doesn't muster up much online support in her own home state.

That's, uh....an interesting theory you've cooked up there. I guess it worked on me, yes. Having not heard of RahRah before, I now think she is a fairly dense bigot. That's, um...some powerful bandwagon psychological manipulation, right there. Yep.

[Thermal]

Seems Gonzalez' affiliate organization got what it wanted. A brewery called On Rotation was hosting an all ages drag show called Misfits and Mimosas, who first agreed to put an 18+ age restriction on the event (for which Gonzalez thanked them), but due to ongoing harassment, the brewery cancelled the event altogether. They conferred with local police, and it was determined that the brewery could not provide adequate security. Sounds like there were credible threats?

https://dallasexpress.com/state/loca...ges-drag-show/

[ZirconBlue]

Anti-drag protesters get more than they bargained for: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-...hour-rcna75724

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by ZirconBlue

Anti-drag protesters get more than they bargained for: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-...hour-rcna75724

Confusingly worded reporting. Seems that supporters were on one side of the street, and protestors on the other. The fight seems to have occured between two protestors?

[RolandRat]

Originally Posted by wareyin

a disturbingly large number of armed protests at many other shows.

From the outside looking in, armed seems to be the only way Americans do protest so I'm not sure the the qualifier is needed.

[Dr. Keith]

Originally Posted by Darat

Undercover agents saw nothing ‘lewd’ at Orlando drag show. Florida is going after venue anyway

.....“Besides some of the outfits being provocative (bikinis and short shorts), agents did not witness any lewd acts such as exposure of genital organs,” the brief report stated. “The performers did not have any physical contact while performing to the rhythm of the music with any patrons.”.....


...But in February, the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation filed a complaint against the nonprofit that runs Plaza Live, accusing the venue of exposing children to sexual content....

It doesn’t take a very deep understanding of drag to know that genitalia is almost never exposed. It sort of ruins the whole “drag” aspect of the drag show.