[Split Thread] Putin indicted by the ICC for war crimes

dudalb · 17th March 2023, 01:49 PM

Meanwhile Trump's good buddy Putin has just been indicted for War Crimes by the ICC.

Stacyhs · 17th March 2023, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Meanwhile Trump's good buddy Putin has just been indicted for War Crimes by the ICC.

Which realistically will result in nothing.

dudalb · 17th March 2023, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Which realistically will result in nothing.

Yeah, it's symbolic but symbolism is important. And it is certainly another blow to Putin's image.

Stacyhs · 17th March 2023, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Yeah, it's symbolic but symbolism is important. And it is certainly another blow to Putin's image.

Meh.

The Great Zaganza · 17th March 2023, 03:54 PM

It's more a poke at the US to cooperate more with The Hague.

Stacyhs · 17th March 2023, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

It's more a poke at the US to cooperate more with The Hague.

Interesting take. How so?

bruto · 17th March 2023, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Interesting take. How so?

The US has never quite joined. For a while it looked as if we might, then we didn't then we almost did and then we didn't, so maybe they hope to lure us in with a tasty morsel.

Stacyhs · 17th March 2023, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

The US has never quite joined. For a while it looked as if we might, then we didn't then we almost did and then we didn't, so maybe they hope to lure us in with a tasty morsel.

I don't see how that matters as Putin's never going to step foot in the US or one of its territories.

The Great Zaganza · 17th March 2023, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I don't see how that matters as Putin's never going to step foot in the US or one of its territories.

US intelligence, military or otherwise, as probably direct proof of Putin's orders to commit war crimes.

But they won't share for fear of setting a precedent of cooperation with the ICC.

The Great Zaganza · 17th March 2023, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I don't see how that matters as Putin's never going to step foot in the US or one of its territories.

US intelligence, military or otherwise, as probably direct proof of Putin's orders to commit war crimes.

But they won't share for fear of setting a precedent of cooperation with the ICC.

The need for PR might supercede this.

Segnosaur · 17th March 2023, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

The US has never quite joined. For a while it looked as if we might, then we didn't then we almost did and then we didn't, so maybe they hope to lure us in with a tasty morsel.

Yes but how is indicting Putin going to entice the US to join?

One of the political parties gained power in part through Putin's actions, and a big segment of the party still believes "better Russian than democrat". They will likely see the indictment of putin as an "attack by globalists on a great man"

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Stacyhs · 17th March 2023, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

US intelligence, military or otherwise, as probably direct proof of Putin's orders to commit war crimes.

But they won't share for fear of setting a precedent of cooperation with the ICC.

That makes no sense to me.

bruto · 17th March 2023, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I don't see how that matters as Putin's never going to step foot in the US or one of its territories.

I don't really suppose the US will join or do much, but I just imagine that some people connected with the court are hoping that a prize like Putin might induce the US to get a little closer. But imagine Segnosaur is closer to what will actually happen.

Samson · 18th March 2023, 06:37 AM

I am surprised that this is seen as trivial on the thread.
Putin can no longer meet with world leaders on equal terms. He is charged as a criminal for kidnapping children.

Craig4 · 18th March 2023, 08:16 AM

Xi should take note. Being a permanent member of the Security Council is clearly no protection from indictment.

17th March 2023, 01:49 PM	#1
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,883	Putin indicted by the ICC for war crimes Meanwhile Trump's good buddy Putin has just been indicted for War Crimes by the ICC.
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17th March 2023, 01:57 PM	#3
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,883	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Which realistically will result in nothing. Yeah, it's symbolic but symbolism is important. And it is certainly another blow to Putin's image.
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17th March 2023, 03:54 PM	#5
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,554	It's more a poke at the US to cooperate more with The Hague.
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17th March 2023, 06:13 PM	#7
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 34,291	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Interesting take. How so? The US has never quite joined. For a while it looked as if we might, then we didn't then we almost did and then we didn't, so maybe they hope to lure us in with a tasty morsel.
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17th March 2023, 08:14 PM	#9
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,554	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I don't see how that matters as Putin's never going to step foot in the US or one of its territories. US intelligence, military or otherwise, as probably direct proof of Putin's orders to commit war crimes. But they won't share for fear of setting a precedent of cooperation with the ICC.
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17th March 2023, 01:54 PM	#2
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,465	Originally Posted by dudalb Meanwhile Trump's good buddy Putin has just been indicted for War Crimes by the ICC. Which realistically will result in nothing.

17th March 2023, 02:05 PM	#4
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,465	Originally Posted by dudalb Yeah, it's symbolic but symbolism is important. And it is certainly another blow to Putin's image. Meh.

17th March 2023, 04:38 PM	#6
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,465	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza It's more a poke at the US to cooperate more with The Hague. Interesting take. How so?

17th March 2023, 07:01 PM	#8
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,465	Originally Posted by bruto The US has never quite joined. For a while it looked as if we might, then we didn't then we almost did and then we didn't, so maybe they hope to lure us in with a tasty morsel. I don't see how that matters as Putin's never going to step foot in the US or one of its territories.

17th March 2023, 08:15 PM	#10
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,554	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I don't see how that matters as Putin's never going to step foot in the US or one of its territories. US intelligence, military or otherwise, as probably direct proof of Putin's orders to commit war crimes. But they won't share for fear of setting a precedent of cooperation with the ICC. The need for PR might supercede this.
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17th March 2023, 08:49 PM	#11
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,706	Originally Posted by bruto The US has never quite joined. For a while it looked as if we might, then we didn't then we almost did and then we didn't, so maybe they hope to lure us in with a tasty morsel. Yes but how is indicting Putin going to entice the US to join? One of the political parties gained power in part through Putin's actions, and a big segment of the party still believes "better Russian than democrat". They will likely see the indictment of putin as an "attack by globalists on a great man" Sent from my moto e using Tapatalk
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17th March 2023, 08:56 PM	#12
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,465	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza US intelligence, military or otherwise, as probably direct proof of Putin's orders to commit war crimes. But they won't share for fear of setting a precedent of cooperation with the ICC. That makes no sense to me.

17th March 2023, 09:29 PM	#13
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 34,291	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I don't see how that matters as Putin's never going to step foot in the US or one of its territories. I don't really suppose the US will join or do much, but I just imagine that some people connected with the court are hoping that a prize like Putin might induce the US to get a little closer. But imagine Segnosaur is closer to what will actually happen.
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18th March 2023, 06:37 AM	#14
Samson Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,422	I am surprised that this is seen as trivial on the thread. Putin can no longer meet with world leaders on equal terms. He is charged as a criminal for kidnapping children.

18th March 2023, 08:16 AM	#15
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 26,781	Xi should take note. Being a permanent member of the Security Council is clearly no protection from indictment.
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