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dudalb · 19th December 2020, 11:53 AM

I now think "Treason" should be amnng the charges.
Donald Trump" Russian asset.

Stacyhs · 19th December 2020, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by dirtywick

I don’t know why Pence would agree to do that

Why wouldn't he? He's done everything else Trump's demanded of him.

dirtywick · 19th December 2020, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Why wouldn't he? He's done everything else Trump's demanded of him.

I don't recall Pence being involved in any of the corrupt schemes the Trump crime family has been pushing over the years. I don't know why he'd get involved now.

Stacyhs · 19th December 2020, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by dirtywick

I don't recall Pence being involved in any of the corrupt schemes the Trump crime family has been pushing over the years. I don't know why he'd get involved now.

That wouldn't be 'corrupt', just underhanded. And, as far as I know, perfectly legal.

dirtywick · 19th December 2020, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

That wouldn't be 'corrupt', just underhanded. And, as far as I know, perfectly legal.

Oh, it's absolutely corrupt. Legality doesn't appear to have much meaning when discussing the presidency.

I don't like Pence at all, but to his credit I don't think Pence has been involved in anything of that nature to date. Risking his political career and engaging in dubious legal activity purely for the benefit of DJT is something a true believer would do, and I don't believe that's Mike Pence.

Stacyhs · 19th December 2020, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by dirtywick

Oh, it's absolutely corrupt. Legality doesn't appear to have much meaning when discussing the presidency.

I don't like Pence at all, but to his credit I don't think Pence has been involved in anything of that nature to date. Risking his political career and engaging in dubious legal activity purely for the benefit of DJT is something a true believer would do, and I don't believe that's Mike Pence.

How is it corrupt or dubious legal activity? Explain. Trump decides to have elective surgery and undergoes anesthesia. Signs the letter handing Pence his POTUS powers. Pence pardons him. Trump then regains consciousness and retakes his powers. You may not believe that's Mike Pence but I've seen nothing of him that makes me think it's not.

Segnosaur · 20th December 2020, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by dirtywick

I don't like Pence at all, but to his credit I don't think Pence has been involved in anything of that nature to date. Risking his political career and engaging in dubious legal activity purely for the benefit of DJT is something a true believer would do, and I don't believe that's Mike Pence.

Pence was made VP thanks in part to Russian interference. Pence stood idly by when Trump tried to blackmail Ukraine to try to fabricate a Biden scandal. He happily voted to confirm DeVos to the cabinet. And while Trump is busy rage-tweeting all sorts of conspiracy nonsense, Pence has not publically told his boss to stop. In other words, nothing in his recent political history shows any sort of personal integrity.

As for his 'political career'... Given his past association with trump and his background as a religious nut, it is doubtful he would ever be considered a "moderate". So if he ever decides to hold office again his only option is to appeal to the MAGAchuds. And those people would likely support him pardoning trump if he was put in that position.

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Skeptic Ginger · 20th December 2020, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by CORed

As for GW Bush, I agree with you on the torture. As for getting into the ~~Iran~~ [Iraq] war, I was never certain whether it was a case of lying or a case of error and self delusion. I suspect that, to a large degree, he cherry-picked himmself into believing his own ********.

Are you a Republican? Did you not pay attention at the time to volume of evidence it was a purposeful deceit on the American people?

If you answer yes to either of those I can understand why you remain unsure. If you answer no to both of those questions and if you want to be certain, go dig up some of the old threads where we discussed this ad nauseum and re-read them.

Skeptic Ginger · 20th December 2020, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

No, I don't think so. I suppose he might pardon himself, but that is legally questionable. Biden is not going to pardon him and I doubt if he resigned Pence would either.

I think at this point, resigning so Pence can pardon him will grate on his narcissism. He already believes he can pardon himself and he will try.

The best argument against his ability to do this is the fact it would mean all POTUSes have a license to assassinate their competitors and pardon themselves after.

But given what we've seen for 4 years, his ego won't let him resign. His belief that he can pardon himself will guide his actions. It might make for an interesting outcome that he remains open to all those civil and criminal charges.

I see eerok agrees.

Skeptic Ginger · 20th December 2020, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I don't think that dog will hunt.

Deutsche Bank while certainly based in Germany has offices and branches in the United States. These were loans for an American business that involved American properties. Seems a stretch to say that loans that they provided were somehow exempt from US laws.

Makes sense.

Skeptic Ginger · 20th December 2020, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I now think "Treason" should be amnng the charges.
Donald Trump" Russian asset.

Don't forget, trying to nullify the US election. On the one hand, some of what he did is seen as legit. But he is crossing lines now and he has 31 days 2 hours to go.

newyorkguy · 20th December 2020, 12:13 PM

[OT]Reminds me of a minor league trump I worked for in New York many years ago. Same personality. Like trump, his foundation was the business he inherited from his father. Then he started various businesses, all of which always failed. Like donnie, anyone who criticized anything he did was dismissed as 'a loser.' Despite all the losses he kept it going by always opening a new business. Fresh funding. For a while he was very successful. Millions in 'income,' summer home in the Hamptons, his own plane, numerous girl friends. Then time ran out.

He wound up divorced and penniless, forced to work in a self-service gas station. One summer night he drove his beatup old car at full speed into a lake. When the cops and firefighters finally managed to get his lifeless body out of the car they found he had wrapped himself in a huge American flag. [/OT]

Ya never know...

dirtywick · 20th December 2020, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Pence was made VP thanks in part to Russian interference. Pence stood idly by when Trump tried to blackmail Ukraine to try to fabricate a Biden scandal. He happily voted to confirm DeVos to the cabinet. And while Trump is busy rage-tweeting all sorts of conspiracy nonsense, Pence has not publically told his boss to stop. In other words, nothing in his recent political history shows any sort of personal integrity.

As for his 'political career'... Given his past association with trump and his background as a religious nut, it is doubtful he would ever be considered a "moderate". So if he ever decides to hold office again his only option is to appeal to the MAGAchuds. And those people would likely support him pardoning trump if he was put in that position.

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He did all that. But it’s a big leap from passively benefiting to actively participating

Segnosaur · 20th December 2020, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Pence was made VP thanks in part to Russian interference. Pence stood idly by when Trump tried to blackmail Ukraine to try to fabricate a Biden scandal. He happily voted to confirm DeVos to the cabinet. And while Trump is busy rage-tweeting all sorts of conspiracy nonsense, Pence has not publically told his boss to stop. In other words, nothing in his recent political history shows any sort of personal integrity.

As for his 'political career'... Given his past association with trump and his background as a religious nut, it is doubtful he would ever be considered a "moderate". So if he ever decides to hold office again his only option is to appeal to the MAGAchuds. And those people would likely support him pardoning trump if he was put in that position.

Quote:

He did all that. But it’s a big leap from passively benefiting to actively participating

Not as big of a leap as you might think.

He had to actively vote to confirm DeVos.

And while I made it sound like Pence was a bystander in the ukraine scandal, there is the possibility that he was an active participant. And at the very least, he certainly attempted to defend the president afterwards (attacking the impeachment).

In my opinion, if you had knowledge of criminal activity (as Pence should have over Ukraine), do nothing to stop it, then when someone DOES try to intervene you attack them, then you are participating in the crime.

From:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns/4307439002/
House Democrats concluded in their impeachment report released Dec. 3 that Pence and other senior officials “were either knowledgeable of or active participants in an effort to extract from a foreign nation the personal political benefits sought by the president."

CORed · 21st December 2020, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Don't forget, trying to nullify the US election. On the one hand, some of what he did is seen as legit. But he is crossing lines now and he has 31 days 2 hours to go.

I'm not sure that filing lawsuits, no matter how frivolous, to overturn the election qualifies as treason. However, if he does any of the more crazy stuff, i.e. delcaring martial law, seizing voting machines etc. that's being bandied about now, then absolutely he should be charged with treason. OTOH, the attorneys who have been filing these suits should be sanctioned at minimum, and probably disbarred.

Paul2 · 21st December 2020, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

That's a hanging offense!

Do you predict he'd be slowing twisting in the breeze?

The Great Zaganza · 22nd December 2020, 01:25 AM

Trump's Pardon better include Sedition...

Solitaire · 22nd December 2020, 02:55 AM

Someone said Donald Trump and Melania Trump illegally voted in Palm Beach, Florida
because he doesn't have residence in the Mar-a-Lago Club due to a contractual agreement.
Surely that's not true.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 22nd December 2020, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by Solitaire

Someone said Donald Trump and Melania Trump illegally voted in Palm Beach, Florida
because he doesn't have residence in the Mar-a-Lago Club due to a contractual agreement.
Surely that's not true.

I certainly remember reading about that at the time.

slyjoe · 22nd December 2020, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

I certainly remember reading about that at the time.

And recently:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ghbors-florida

Squeegee Beckenheim · 30th December 2020, 09:48 AM

The NY prosecutor investigating Trump has hired a forensic accountant

Dave Rogers · 30th December 2020, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

The NY prosecutor investigating Trump has hired a forensic accountant

I hope he uses Benford's Law properly.

Dave

slyjoe · 30th December 2020, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

I hope he uses Benford's Law properly.

Dave

Win

smartcooky · 30th December 2020, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

I hope he uses Benford's Law properly.

Dave

He'll need to consult Zig about that!.... Oh, wait....

Ladewig · 31st December 2020, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Why wouldn't he? He's done everything else Trump's demanded of him.

There was an exception.
When Pence was running the daily COVID-briefing phone calls to the governors, Trump specifically told him to exclude Washington and Michigan because the governors were not showing him enough respect. Pence ignored the order.

Of course, he still earns the title of raging sycophant enabling and excusing a destructive and dysfunctional president.

Athyrio · 4th January 2021, 09:21 PM

I do so hope that Fani Willis will go after his ass even if it comes to nothing, at least waste his time and some lawyer money.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atl...campaign=67740

The Atheist · 5th January 2021, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I now think "Treason" should be amnng the charges.
Donald Trump" Russian asset.

I think that's a fair position as of today.

Kaylee · 7th January 2021, 11:28 AM

How can Pence and the cabinet justify not using the 25th amendment to remove Trump from the White House after yesterday's events?

I'm also wondering if they can be charged with sedition for failure to do so.

ponderingturtle · 7th January 2021, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Kaylee

How can Pence and the cabinet justify not using the 25th amendment to remove Trump from the White House after yesterday's events?

I'm also wondering if they can be charged with sedition for failure to do so.

Because this isn't incapacity to perform the duties of president but falls under the whole high crimes and misdemeanors and so should be another round of impeachment not the 25th amendment?

dirtywick · 7th January 2021, 12:14 PM

They should 25th his ass and then impeach. Yesterday was, in the most charitable interpretation, a total abdication of duty and inexcusably poor judgment.

ToddH · 7th January 2021, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by dirtywick

They should 25th his ass and then impeach. Yesterday was, in the most charitable interpretation, a total abdication of duty and inexcusably poor judgment.

Pelosi just announced that if the 25th amendment isn't used he will be impeached.

Trebuchet · 7th January 2021, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by ToddH

Pelosi just announced that if the 25th amendment isn't used he will be impeached.

Good luck with that.

dasmiller · 7th January 2021, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Good luck with that.

We'd need about GOP 20 senators to go along with it, which seems unlikely but perhaps not impossible.

I can't imagine they'll say they were wrong about Trump, so I'm watching to see if there's talk about how he's changed over the last few months so they can no longer support him. It's crap, of course, but it will give them some cover.

acbytesla · 7th January 2021, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Good luck with that.

They can impeach him, again. But then we're back to the US Senate for a trial.

Garrison · 7th January 2021, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

They can impeach him, again. But then we're back to the US Senate for a trial.

Yeah but this time they don't have months to muddy the waters and the issue at hand is far simpler than the Russia investigation. If they do once again shoot it down well then no one can be in doubt as to where they really stand.

Samson · 7th January 2021, 02:56 PM

Trump specials on Ladbrokes betting shop

https://sports.ladbrokes.com/event/p...87/all-markets

Currently evens on a self pardon.

Segnosaur · 7th January 2021, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Garrison

Yeah but this time they don't have months to muddy the waters and the issue at hand is far simpler than the Russia investigation. If they do once again shoot it down well then no one can be in doubt as to where they really stand.

Minor point: Trump's impeachment was over the Ukraine phone call/scandal.

Which says a lot about Trump... he's been involved in so many scandals that it is hard to remember which ones are which.

RecoveringYuppy · 7th January 2021, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Good luck with that.

If he can't be impeached he can't be removed from office via the 25th amendment. Same vote required (ETA: or slightly higher even, need to check).

Norman Alexander · 7th January 2021, 03:44 PM

25th is about the president being unable to discharge his powers and duties. Trump's sworn duty is to protect the US constitution. He not only failed to do that yesterday, he actively went against it. So the 25th applies.

RecoveringYuppy · 7th January 2021, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

If he can't be impeached he can't be removed from office via the 25th amendment. Same vote required (ETA: or slightly higher even, need to check).

Yep. Bar is higher for Section 4 of the 25th amendment. 2/3 majority in both houses.

19th December 2020, 11:53 AM	#321
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,883	I now think "Treason" should be amnng the charges. Donald Trump" Russian asset.
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19th December 2020, 02:25 PM	#323
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,238	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Why wouldn't he? He's done everything else Trump's demanded of him. I don't recall Pence being involved in any of the corrupt schemes the Trump crime family has been pushing over the years. I don't know why he'd get involved now.
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19th December 2020, 03:04 PM	#325
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,238	Originally Posted by Stacyhs That wouldn't be 'corrupt', just underhanded. And, as far as I know, perfectly legal. Oh, it's absolutely corrupt. Legality doesn't appear to have much meaning when discussing the presidency. I don't like Pence at all, but to his credit I don't think Pence has been involved in anything of that nature to date. Risking his political career and engaging in dubious legal activity purely for the benefit of DJT is something a true believer would do, and I don't believe that's Mike Pence.
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20th December 2020, 07:56 AM	#327
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,706	Originally Posted by dirtywick I don't like Pence at all, but to his credit I don't think Pence has been involved in anything of that nature to date. Risking his political career and engaging in dubious legal activity purely for the benefit of DJT is something a true believer would do, and I don't believe that's Mike Pence. Pence was made VP thanks in part to Russian interference. Pence stood idly by when Trump tried to blackmail Ukraine to try to fabricate a Biden scandal. He happily voted to confirm DeVos to the cabinet. And while Trump is busy rage-tweeting all sorts of conspiracy nonsense, Pence has not publically told his boss to stop. In other words, nothing in his recent political history shows any sort of personal integrity. As for his 'political career'... Given his past association with trump and his background as a religious nut, it is doubtful he would ever be considered a "moderate". So if he ever decides to hold office again his only option is to appeal to the MAGAchuds. And those people would likely support him pardoning trump if he was put in that position. Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk
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20th December 2020, 10:23 AM	#329
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 93,418	Originally Posted by acbytesla No, I don't think so. I suppose he might pardon himself, but that is legally questionable. Biden is not going to pardon him and I doubt if he resigned Pence would either. I think at this point, resigning so Pence can pardon him will grate on his narcissism. He already believes he can pardon himself and he will try. The best argument against his ability to do this is the fact it would mean all POTUSes have a license to assassinate their competitors and pardon themselves after. But given what we've seen for 4 years, his ego won't let him resign. His belief that he can pardon himself will guide his actions. It might make for an interesting outcome that he remains open to all those civil and criminal charges. I see eerok agrees.
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19th December 2020, 01:36 PM	#322
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,465	Originally Posted by dirtywick I don’t know why Pence would agree to do that Why wouldn't he? He's done everything else Trump's demanded of him.

19th December 2020, 02:37 PM	#324
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,465	Originally Posted by dirtywick I don't recall Pence being involved in any of the corrupt schemes the Trump crime family has been pushing over the years. I don't know why he'd get involved now. That wouldn't be 'corrupt', just underhanded. And, as far as I know, perfectly legal.

19th December 2020, 04:13 PM	#326
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,465	Originally Posted by dirtywick Oh, it's absolutely corrupt. Legality doesn't appear to have much meaning when discussing the presidency. I don't like Pence at all, but to his credit I don't think Pence has been involved in anything of that nature to date. Risking his political career and engaging in dubious legal activity purely for the benefit of DJT is something a true believer would do, and I don't believe that's Mike Pence. How is it corrupt or dubious legal activity? Explain. Trump decides to have elective surgery and undergoes anesthesia. Signs the letter handing Pence his POTUS powers. Pence pardons him. Trump then regains consciousness and retakes his powers. You may not believe that's Mike Pence but I've seen nothing of him that makes me think it's not.

20th December 2020, 10:18 AM	#328
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 93,418	Originally Posted by CORed As for GW Bush, I agree with you on the torture. As for getting into the ~~Iran~~ [Iraq] war, I was never certain whether it was a case of lying or a case of error and self delusion. I suspect that, to a large degree, he cherry-picked himmself into believing his own *******. Are you a Republican? Did you not* pay attention at the time to volume of evidence it was a purposeful deceit on the American people? If you answer yes to either of those I can understand why you remain unsure. If you answer no to both of those questions and if you want to be certain, go dig up some of the old threads where we discussed this ad nauseum and re-read them.

20th December 2020, 10:32 AM	#330
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 93,418	Originally Posted by acbytesla I don't think that dog will hunt. Deutsche Bank while certainly based in Germany has offices and branches in the United States. These were loans for an American business that involved American properties. Seems a stretch to say that loans that they provided were somehow exempt from US laws. Makes sense.

20th December 2020, 10:34 AM	#331
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 93,418	Originally Posted by dudalb I now think "Treason" should be amnng the charges. Donald Trump" Russian asset. Don't forget, trying to nullify the US election. On the one hand, some of what he did is seen as legit. But he is crossing lines now and he has 31 days 2 hours to go.

20th December 2020, 12:13 PM	#332
newyorkguy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NY Posts: 12,901	[OT]Reminds me of a minor league trump I worked for in New York many years ago. Same personality. Like trump, his foundation was the business he inherited from his father. Then he started various businesses, all of which always failed. Like donnie, anyone who criticized anything he did was dismissed as 'a loser.' Despite all the losses he kept it going by always opening a new business. Fresh funding. For a while he was very successful. Millions in 'income,' summer home in the Hamptons, his own plane, numerous girl friends. Then time ran out. He wound up divorced and penniless, forced to work in a self-service gas station. One summer night he drove his beatup old car at full speed into a lake. When the cops and firefighters finally managed to get his lifeless body out of the car they found he had wrapped himself in a huge American flag. [/OT] Ya never know...

20th December 2020, 09:38 PM	#333
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,238	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Pence was made VP thanks in part to Russian interference. Pence stood idly by when Trump tried to blackmail Ukraine to try to fabricate a Biden scandal. He happily voted to confirm DeVos to the cabinet. And while Trump is busy rage-tweeting all sorts of conspiracy nonsense, Pence has not publically told his boss to stop. In other words, nothing in his recent political history shows any sort of personal integrity. As for his 'political career'... Given his past association with trump and his background as a religious nut, it is doubtful he would ever be considered a "moderate". So if he ever decides to hold office again his only option is to appeal to the MAGAchuds. And those people would likely support him pardoning trump if he was put in that position. Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk He did all that. But it’s a big leap from passively benefiting to actively participating
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20th December 2020, 11:03 PM	#334
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,706	Quote: Pence was made VP thanks in part to Russian interference. Pence stood idly by when Trump tried to blackmail Ukraine to try to fabricate a Biden scandal. He happily voted to confirm DeVos to the cabinet. And while Trump is busy rage-tweeting all sorts of conspiracy nonsense, Pence has not publically told his boss to stop. In other words, nothing in his recent political history shows any sort of personal integrity. As for his 'political career'... Given his past association with trump and his background as a religious nut, it is doubtful he would ever be considered a "moderate". So if he ever decides to hold office again his only option is to appeal to the MAGAchuds. And those people would likely support him pardoning trump if he was put in that position. Quote: He did all that. But it’s a big leap from passively benefiting to actively participating Not as big of a leap as you might think. He had to actively vote to confirm DeVos. And while I made it sound like Pence was a bystander in the ukraine scandal, there is the possibility that he was an active participant. And at the very least, he certainly attempted to defend the president afterwards (attacking the impeachment). In my opinion, if you had knowledge of criminal activity (as Pence should have over Ukraine), do nothing to stop it, then when someone DOES try to intervene you attack them, then you are participating in the crime. From: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns/4307439002/ House Democrats concluded in their impeachment report released Dec. 3 that Pence and other senior officials “were either knowledgeable of or active participants in an effort to extract from a foreign nation the personal political benefits sought by the president."
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21st December 2020, 01:48 PM	#335
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,564	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Don't forget, trying to nullify the US election. On the one hand, some of what he did is seen as legit. But he is crossing lines now and he has 31 days 2 hours to go. I'm not sure that filing lawsuits, no matter how frivolous, to overturn the election qualifies as treason. However, if he does any of the more crazy stuff, i.e. delcaring martial law, seizing voting machines etc. that's being bandied about now, then absolutely he should be charged with treason. OTOH, the attorneys who have been filing these suits should be sanctioned at minimum, and probably disbarred.

21st December 2020, 02:43 PM	#336
Paul2 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,737	Originally Posted by shemp That's a hanging offense! Do you predict he'd be slowing twisting in the breeze?
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22nd December 2020, 01:25 AM	#337
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22nd December 2020, 02:55 AM	#338
Solitaire Neoclinus blanchardi Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 2,767	Someone said Donald Trump and Melania Trump illegally voted in Palm Beach, Florida because he doesn't have residence in the Mar-a-Lago Club due to a contractual agreement. Surely that's not true.
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22nd December 2020, 04:50 AM	#339
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 32,124	Originally Posted by Solitaire Someone said Donald Trump and Melania Trump illegally voted in Palm Beach, Florida because he doesn't have residence in the Mar-a-Lago Club due to a contractual agreement. Surely that's not true. I certainly remember reading about that at the time.
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22nd December 2020, 07:32 AM	#340
slyjoe Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 3,447	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim I certainly remember reading about that at the time. And recently: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ghbors-florida
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30th December 2020, 09:48 AM	#341
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 32,124	The NY prosecutor investigating Trump has hired a forensic accountant
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30th December 2020, 10:10 AM	#342
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 33,724	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim The NY prosecutor investigating Trump has hired a forensic accountant I hope he uses Benford's Law properly. Dave
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30th December 2020, 11:26 AM	#343
slyjoe Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 3,447	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers I hope he uses Benford's Law properly. Dave Win
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30th December 2020, 11:29 AM	#344
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 23,134	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers I hope he uses Benford's Law properly. Dave He'll need to consult Zig about that!.... Oh, wait....
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31st December 2020, 04:37 AM	#345
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,749	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Why wouldn't he? He's done everything else Trump's demanded of him. There was an exception. When Pence was running the daily COVID-briefing phone calls to the governors, Trump specifically told him to exclude Washington and Michigan because the governors were not showing him enough respect. Pence ignored the order. Of course, he still earns the title of raging sycophant enabling and excusing a destructive and dysfunctional president.
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4th January 2021, 09:21 PM	#346
Athyrio Hipster Doofus Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nutsack, FL Posts: 2,482	I do so hope that Fani Willis will go after his ass even if it comes to nothing, at least waste his time and some lawyer money. https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atl...campaign=67740
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5th January 2021, 01:40 AM	#347
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 33,284	Originally Posted by dudalb I now think "Treason" should be amnng the charges. Donald Trump" Russian asset. I think that's a fair position as of today.
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7th January 2021, 11:28 AM	#348
Kaylee Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,283	How can Pence and the cabinet justify *not* using the 25th amendment to remove Trump from the White House after yesterday's events? I'm also wondering if they can be charged with sedition for failure to do so.
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7th January 2021, 11:31 AM	#349
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 52,965	Originally Posted by Kaylee How can Pence and the cabinet justify *not* using the 25th amendment to remove Trump from the White House after yesterday's events? I'm also wondering if they can be charged with sedition for failure to do so. Because this isn't incapacity to perform the duties of president but falls under the whole high crimes and misdemeanors and so should be another round of impeachment not the 25th amendment?
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7th January 2021, 12:14 PM	#350
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,238	They should 25th his ass and then impeach. Yesterday was, in the most charitable interpretation, a total abdication of duty and inexcusably poor judgment.
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7th January 2021, 12:18 PM	#351
ToddH Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 439	Originally Posted by dirtywick They should 25th his ass and then impeach. Yesterday was, in the most charitable interpretation, a total abdication of duty and inexcusably poor judgment. Pelosi just announced that if the 25th amendment isn't used he will be impeached.
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7th January 2021, 12:58 PM	#352
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 36,023	Originally Posted by ToddH Pelosi just announced that if the 25th amendment isn't used he will be impeached. Good luck with that.
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7th January 2021, 01:55 PM	#353
dasmiller Just the right amount of cowbell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon Posts: 6,625	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Good luck with that. We'd need about GOP 20 senators to go along with it, which seems unlikely but perhaps not impossible. I can't imagine they'll say they were wrong about Trump, so I'm watching to see if there's talk about how he's changed over the last few months so they can no longer support him. It's crap, of course, but it will give them some cover.
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7th January 2021, 02:04 PM	#354
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,391	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Good luck with that. They can impeach him, again. But then we're back to the US Senate for a trial.
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7th January 2021, 02:12 PM	#355
Garrison Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 5,918	Originally Posted by acbytesla They can impeach him, again. But then we're back to the US Senate for a trial. Yeah but this time they don't have months to muddy the waters and the issue at hand is far simpler than the Russia investigation. If they do once again shoot it down well then no one can be in doubt as to where they really stand.
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