Drag Shows!! - Page 2

The Great Zaganza · 15th December 2022, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

I don't care if they don't take their kid. They are trying to prevent me from taking my kid. They are the ones who are trying to stop the other parent.

exactly.

I give you my thanks in the form of a Nomination.

bluesjnr · 15th December 2022, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

You're safe there, O'Carroll's not a comedian.

Let's hope he doesn't employ sarcasm or you might not get the joke?

(read Darats post again)

Warp12 · 15th December 2022, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

I don't care if they don't take their kid. They are trying to prevent me from taking my kid. They are the ones who are trying to stop the other parent.

Hilarious. So you figure their concern, about say, a completely unrestricted Drag Queen event at a public venue..is entirely unreasonable? So you figure the best thing to do is silence their voices? That'll teach 'em to be concerned about their kids, right?

Interesting.

bluesjnr · 15th December 2022, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

you are projecting - big time.

I always find this accusation interesting. Would you care to share exactly what unacceptable feelings or impulses Warp12 is attributing to someone else and what it is he is avoiding confronting?

catsmate · 15th December 2022, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Since when does drag = trans anyway? Drag is ~~gay~~ men dressing up like women, not people thinking they are women (whether validly or not is, apparently, a matter of contention).

Pretty sick that Texas, awash in guns and school shootings, thinks that the real danger is dudes in dresses. How many kids were killed this year because of drag?

Not even always gay. Plenty of cis cross-dressers and performers.

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Hilarious. So you figure their concern, about say, a completely unrestricted Drag Queen event at a public venue..is entirely unreasonable? So you figure the best thing to do is silence their voices? That'll teach 'em to be concerned about their kids, right?

Interesting.

Parents are capable of ensuring their young children do not attend a drag event without massive coordination and protest. All they have to do is literally not go there....or if they end up there then leave.

Warp12 · 15th December 2022, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

Parents are capable of ensuring their young children do not attend a drag event without massive coordination and protest. All they have to do is literally not go there.

You didn't address the questions I posed.

Mike! · 15th December 2022, 05:48 AM

Man, I miss the 60's and 70's, you'd never see a man on TV dressed up and acting like a lady...

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Craig4 · 15th December 2022, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Because not wanting your young children exposed to cross-dressing freaks means that someone is "sexually-repressed". The best part is that while many liberals suggest that there is no sexual aspect to a drag show, many also clearly associate it with sexuality.

I love how some seem to think they are doing some sort of public-service by filing a false report, over matters such as this. I guess they figure that silencing parental concern is something to celebrate?

Would you rather have young men exposed to drag shows in a kind, safe learning environment or after a few too many Phuket Lagers the night his destroyer pulls into Bangkok?

If they don't learn about drag shows when they're young, they'll turn into that guy everyone knows who did a COBRA GOLD exercise in their first tour and ends up spending their life expressing exaggerated homophobia to hide their self-loathing over not being able to process their conflicted feelings about accidentally having sex with a Thai boy.

Norman Alexander · 15th December 2022, 05:52 AM

Before 1900, even!

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The Great Zaganza · 15th December 2022, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by bluesjnr

I always find this accusation interesting. Would you care to share exactly what unacceptable feelings or impulses Warp12 is attributing to someone else and what it is he is avoiding confronting?

The fact that Warp sees everything as either Black or White, and isn't able to tell tolerance from stealthy social engineering;
that (according to him) not banning Drag events is EXACTLY the same as promoting them, that not banning parents from taking their kids to such an event is EXACTLY the same as mandating that every parent send their kids to them.

Warp sees Drag Shows as part of a concerted effort to corrupt kids, because that's what he would like to do: make it mandatory to send kids to Churches, patriotic parades and gun shows, so that they become True^TM Americans.

At least that's what I gathered from his previous posts.

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

You didn't address the questions I posed.

Because you initially posted this

Quote:

Drag Queens might be fine for you and your young kids, but don't attempt to take away the voice of disagreeing parents,

That comment is fundamentally about letting parents raise their child as appropriate. I agree it is fine for my kids, and I would never force a parent to take their child. They are free to not take them.

Then you asked this

Quote:

. So you figure their concern, about say, a completely unrestricted Drag Queen event at a public venue..is entirely unreasonable? So you figure the best thing to do is silence their voices?

Those parents are simply rejecting the idea that a parent can make a choice. They are trying to ultimately strip that choice from me while I was permitting them to choose.

They wish to use the list to protest events I will take my child to. That is a rejection of,

Quote:

might be fine for you and your young kids,

Lothian · 15th December 2022, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

I would strongly disagree with that assessment. Refusing to endorse every fetish that comes along does not make someone "sexually repressed". Especially when it comes to what young children are exposed to.

It just makes you wonder what kind of man gets up in the morning and decides, "I'm going to dress like a woman, to flamboyant excess, and hopefully find some young kids to hang out with". Libs will often say, "the kids are too young to understand it". Well, if so, why are these weirdos doing it? For what benefit?

We all know to what "benefit". To normalize such abnormal behaviors at a very early age. I mean, that is the best case scenario, I suppose.

But aside from that, what is worse, is that some feel they are doing something heroic by silencing the voices of concerned parents, by doing things like spamming the website in the OP. Drag Queens might be fine for you and your young kids, but don't attempt to take away the voice of disagreeing parents, and then celebrate doing

To answer your question
"what kind of man gets up in the morning and decides, "I'm going to dress like a woman, to flamboyant excess, and hopefully find some young kids to hang out with"
I think you are looking at pantomime actors, priests and Mascots (more female animals than women).

Drag shows tend to be held in adult venues with alcohol. Children are not the audience.

Therefore reporting churches is the right thing to do. If you disagree we can play a spot the degenerate game. I cite a case where a priest has abused a child. You cite a case where a drag queen has. We alternate untill one of us runs out of material.

Warp12 · 15th December 2022, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Lothian

Drag shows tend to be held in adult venues with alcohol. Children are not the audience.

That is not what we are addressing, here. We are addressing matters where children are potentially part of the audience, or indeed the targeted audience.

We are also addressing the justifications being put forth that any such parental concerns should be silenced. Which is actually the larger issue, imo.

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

That is not what we are addressing, here. We are addressing matters where children are potentially part of the audience, or indeed the targeted audience.

We are also addressing the justifications being put forth that any such parental concerns should be silenced.

A parent with infinite concern for their child simply doesn't have to attend. They literally have an incredibly easy method to address their concern.

Warp12 · 15th December 2022, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

A parent with infinite concern for their child simply doesn't have to attend. They literally have an incredibly easy method to address their concern.

Bob, do you think there is a possibility that some of these shows are unrestricted? Or that a child might attend without parental consent, or with someone besides a parent or legal guardian? Do you think parents can be all places, at all times?

By your logic why do we need to restrict alcohol, tobacco, movies? After it is just a simple matter of the parent handling such matters at all times, right? Honestly, I find your argument ridiculous and not worthy of further consideration.

And you still haven't explained why it is acceptable to attempt to silence the voices of concerned parents, as some here seem to be advocating.

Lothian · 15th December 2022, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

That is not what we are addressing, here. We are addressing matters where children are potentially part of the audience, or indeed the targeted audience.

We are also addressing the justifications being put forth that any such parental concerns should be silenced. Which is actually the larger issue, imo.

You want to ban pantomimes? Or are there other drag shows aimed at children?

Even if there were shows what is the objection again?

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Bob, do you think there is a possibility that some of these shows are unrestricted? Or that a child might attend without parental consent, or with someone besides a parent or legal guardian? Do you think parents can be all places, at all times?

By your logic why do we need to restrict alcohol, tobacco, movies? After it is just a simple matter of the parent handling such matters at all times, right?Honestly, I find your argument ridiculous and not worthy of further consideration.

And you still haven't explained why it is acceptable to attempt to silence the voices of concerned parents, as some here seem to be advocating.

Teaching your child so they make decisions when you are not there is parenting. It isn't the job of the state to do it for you.

Further, they are trying to actually deny me as a parent because they are not able to let their child exercise a modicum of self direction.

Lothian · 15th December 2022, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Honestly, I find your argument ridiculous and not worthy of furry consideration.

.

You raise a good point. Do you think the furry fetish is normal or degenerate?

Should sports mascots therefore be banned?

Warp12 · 15th December 2022, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by Lothian

Even if there were shows what is the objection again?

So are you saying that parents should not have a voice in a what their children are exposed to? That it is ok to actively attempt to silence them? The particular objection is hardly the main point, here.

Unless the position is, "I approve of xyz, therefore nobody else is deserving of a voice".

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

So are you saying that parents should not have a voice in a what their children are exposed to? That it is ok to actively attempt to silence them? The particular objection is hardly the main point, here.

Unless the position is, "I approve of xyz, therefore nobody else is deserving of a voice".

No one is being silenced

Upchurch · 15th December 2022, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

So are you saying that parents should not have a voice in a what their children are exposed to?

That is definitely what you are saying by taking away my choice as a parent.

Lothian · 15th December 2022, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

So are you saying that parents should not have a voice in a what their children are exposed to? That it is ok to actively attempt to silence them? The particular objection is hardly the main point, here.

Unless the position is, "I approve of xyz, therefore nobody else is deserving of a voice".

Everyone has a voice.

As to what their kids are exposed to, are you aware that parents can choose what shows to take their kids to?

The silencing point is interesting given the group reported are not simply trying to limit what their kids are exposed to they are trying to limit what all children are exposed to.

Do you agree with them? Do you support the banning of all adults dressing as a member of the opposite sex where children are present?

Armitage72 · 15th December 2022, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

Tangentially related, but for all the talk of “parental choice”, they seem determined to remove choices from parents who don’t suffer from retro gay panic.

Just as "freedom of religion" usually means "freedom to make everyone else follow my religion", "parental choice" means "force all other parents to make the same choices as me".

Warp12 · 15th December 2022, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by Lothian

Do you support the banning of all adults dressing as a member of the opposite sex where children are present?

No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events.

But again, this is more about the whole concept of silencing parental concerns, imo. It is a common liberal theme, these days. My individual concerns about Drag Queens are minor in the grand scheme, and I have no interest in continuously debating them.

The Don · 15th December 2022, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events.

But again, this is more about the whole concept of silencing parental concerns, imo. It is a common liberal theme, these days. My individual concerns about Drag Queens are minor in the grand scheme, and I have no interest in continuously debating them.

Where/what is the harm which needs to be mitigated with age appropriate restrictions ?

Lothian · 15th December 2022, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events. .

I too support the parents being able to choose what their kids go to. I also agree with you on age restrictions. Under 2 years old they have no attention span and are likely to attention seek distracting from the performance.

Originally Posted by Warp12

But again, this is more about the whole concept of silencing parental concerns, imo. It is a common liberal theme, these days. My individual concerns about Drag Queens are minor in the grand scheme, and I have no interest in continuously debating them.

Yet you are siding with those seeking to impose their views on others? Hypocrite much?

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

By your logic why do we need to restrict alcohol, tobacco, movies?

I am not convinced we do. I think anyone who has left the bubble of the US has been to first world nations with far different stances on these and it turns out fine.

Warp12 · 15th December 2022, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Lothian

Yet you are siding with those seeking to impose their views on others? Hypocrite much?

That is an odd take on what I have stated. I'm siding with parents having a voice. I am not advocating to silence their voices, as is being championed by some.

Originally Posted by Warp12

No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events.

Hard to make it much more clear than that, I'd say.

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

That is an odd take on what I have stated. I'm siding with parents having a voice. I am not advocating to silence their voices, as is being championed by some.

Hard to make it much more clear than that, I'd say.

Can you please say what that voice is being used to do? To take away my parental rights, right?

Warp12 · 15th December 2022, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

Can you please say what that voice is being used to do? To take away my parental rights, right?

First, I don't agree with that being the intent.

But are you saying that your concerns trump someone else's right to have a voice?

Sure seems to be what you have been continuously promoting.

Foster Zygote · 15th December 2022, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

These bigots are so sexually repressed. It must be horrible living like that.

Like I said, they seem to think about gay sex more than gay people do. I'm sure it's nothing like Ted Haggard syndrome, though.

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

First, I don't agree with that being the intent.

But are you saying that your concerns trump someone else's right to have a voice?

Sure seems to be what you have been continuously promoting.

A) It is the intent. There is a movement to ban it

B) no one is being silenced

Lothian · 15th December 2022, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

That is an odd take on what I have stated. I'm siding with parents having a voice. I am not advocating to silence their voices, as is being championed by some.

Hard to make it much more clear than that, I'd say.

I take it that you are therefore against the group in the op who are trying to get people to report shows so they can try to get the shows stopped. Disrupting their activity of denying parenteral choice is something you should support.

Warp12 · 15th December 2022, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by Lothian

I take it that you are therefore against the group in the op who are trying to get people to report shows so they can try to get the shows stopped. Disrupting their activity of denying parenteral choice is something you should support.

They are giving parents a voice, a venue to express concern. It seems to be an activist organization. Activism is not just isolated to liberal concerns, after all. If there is a website to report a concern of liberal parents, I am not going to spam it in attempt to silence them.

But again, we are losing sight of the issue. Why is it acceptable to silence the voices of these (or any) parents? What is wrong with expressing concerns about activities/events that your child may be exposed to against your wishes?

Darat · 15th December 2022, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

That is not what we are addressing, here. We are addressing matters where children are potentially part of the audience, or indeed the targeted audience.

We are also addressing the justifications being put forth that any such parental concerns should be silenced. Which is actually the larger issue, imo.

You might be but no one else in this thread has done so. Everyone else apart from you seems to be all for parental choice.

Darat · 15th December 2022, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Bob, do you think there is a possibility that some of these shows are unrestricted? Or that a child might attend without parental consent, or with someone besides a parent or legal guardian? Do you think parents can be all places, at all times?

By your logic why do we need to restrict alcohol, tobacco, movies? After it is just a simple matter of the parent handling such matters at all times, right? Honestly, I find your argument ridiculous and not worthy of further consideration.

And you still haven't explained why it is acceptable to attempt to silence the voices of concerned parents, as some here seem to be advocating.

And here I was thinking the Puritans had died out.

Warp12 · 15th December 2022, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

You might be but no one else in this thread has done so. Everyone else apart from you seems to be all for parental choice.

Huh? Did you not read the points about spamming the website, and someone clearly stating that they did so? Also others have been arguing the point that silencing the parents is acceptable.

Perhaps read the thread over, starting from the top.

Darat · 15th December 2022, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

So ...snip...

Snipped out your straw men arguments.

So let me address what remains.

Oh...

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

What is wrong with expressing concerns about activities/events that your child may be exposed to against your wishes?

This is not a free speech question here and just about the view in general. and there are many reasons

1) Any exposure against their wishes is still ultimately a parenting decision within their family. If the child cannot be trusted by themselves or with another guardian, that is an issue for that family and not other parents in attendance.

2) You discussed age restrictions, which is fundamentally an attack on my ability to choose how I parent.

15th December 2022, 05:36 AM	#41
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,546	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward I don't care if they don't take their kid. They are trying to prevent me from taking my kid. They are the ones who are trying to stop the other parent. exactly. I give you my thanks in the form of a Nomination.
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15th December 2022, 05:38 AM	#42
bluesjnr Professional Nemesis for Hire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Home. Posts: 10,969	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle You're safe there, O'Carroll's not a comedian. Let's hope he doesn't employ sarcasm or you might not get the joke? (read Darats post again)
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15th December 2022, 05:43 AM	#44
bluesjnr Professional Nemesis for Hire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Home. Posts: 10,969	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza you are projecting - big time. I always find this accusation interesting. Would you care to share exactly what unacceptable feelings or impulses Warp12 is attributing to someone else and what it is he is avoiding confronting?
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15th December 2022, 05:43 AM	#45
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 28,111	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Since when does drag = trans anyway? Drag is ~~gay~~ men dressing up like women, not people thinking they are women (whether validly or not is, apparently, a matter of contention). Pretty sick that Texas, awash in guns and school shootings, thinks that the real danger is dudes in dresses. How many kids were killed this year because of drag? Not even always gay. Plenty of cis cross-dressers and performers.
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15th December 2022, 05:45 AM	#46
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by Warp12 Hilarious. So you figure their concern, about say, a completely unrestricted Drag Queen event at a public venue..is entirely unreasonable? So you figure the best thing to do is silence their voices? That'll teach 'em to be concerned about their kids, right? Interesting. Parents are capable of ensuring their young children do not attend a drag event without massive coordination and protest. All they have to do is literally not go there....or if they end up there then leave.
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15th December 2022, 05:42 AM	#43
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward I don't care if they don't take their kid. They are trying to prevent me from taking my kid. They are the ones who are trying to stop the other parent. Hilarious. So you figure their concern, about say, a completely unrestricted Drag Queen event at a public venue..is entirely unreasonable? So you figure the best thing to do is silence their voices? That'll teach 'em to be concerned about their kids, right? Interesting.

15th December 2022, 05:47 AM	#47
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward Parents are capable of ensuring their young children do not attend a drag event without massive coordination and protest. All they have to do is literally not go there. You didn't address the questions I posed.

15th December 2022, 05:48 AM	#49
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 26,764	Originally Posted by Warp12 Because not wanting your young children exposed to cross-dressing freaks means that someone is "sexually-repressed". The best part is that while many liberals suggest that there is no sexual aspect to a drag show, many also clearly associate it with sexuality. I love how some seem to think they are doing some sort of public-service by filing a false report, over matters such as this. I guess they figure that silencing parental concern is something to celebrate? Would you rather have young men exposed to drag shows in a kind, safe learning environment or after a few too many Phuket Lagers the night his destroyer pulls into Bangkok? If they don't learn about drag shows when they're young, they'll turn into that guy everyone knows who did a COBRA GOLD exercise in their first tour and ends up spending their life expressing exaggerated homophobia to hide their self-loathing over not being able to process their conflicted feelings about accidentally having sex with a Thai boy.
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15th December 2022, 05:54 AM	#51
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,546	Originally Posted by bluesjnr I always find this accusation interesting. Would you care to share exactly what unacceptable feelings or impulses Warp12 is attributing to someone else and what it is he is avoiding confronting? The fact that Warp sees everything as either Black or White, and isn't able to tell tolerance from stealthy social engineering; that (according to him) not banning Drag events is EXACTLY the same as promoting them, that not banning parents from taking their kids to such an event is EXACTLY the same as mandating that every parent send their kids to them. Warp sees Drag Shows as part of a concerted effort to corrupt kids, because that's what he would like to do: make it mandatory to send kids to Churches, patriotic parades and gun shows, so that they become True^TM Americans. At least that's what I gathered from his previous posts.
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15th December 2022, 05:54 AM	#52
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by Warp12 You didn't address the questions I posed. Because you initially posted this Quote: Drag Queens might be fine for you and your young kids, but don't attempt to take away the voice of disagreeing parents, That comment is fundamentally about letting parents raise their child as appropriate. I agree it is fine for my kids, and I would never force a parent to take their child. They are free to not take them. Then you asked this Quote: . So you figure their concern, about say, a completely unrestricted Drag Queen event at a public venue..is entirely unreasonable? So you figure the best thing to do is silence their voices? Those parents are simply rejecting the idea that a parent can make a choice. They are trying to ultimately strip that choice from me while I was permitting them to choose. They wish to use the list to protest events I will take my child to. That is a rejection of, Quote: might be fine for you and your young kids,
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15th December 2022, 05:57 AM	#53
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 18,427	Originally Posted by Warp12 I would strongly disagree with that assessment. Refusing to endorse every fetish that comes along does not make someone "sexually repressed". Especially when it comes to what young children are exposed to. It just makes you wonder what kind of man gets up in the morning and decides, "I'm going to dress like a woman, to flamboyant excess, and hopefully find some young kids to hang out with". Libs will often say, "the kids are too young to understand it". Well, if so, why are these weirdos doing it? For what benefit? We all know to what "benefit". To normalize such abnormal behaviors at a very early age. I mean, that is the best case scenario, I suppose. But aside from that, what is worse, is that some feel they are doing something heroic by silencing the voices of concerned parents, by doing things like spamming the website in the OP. Drag Queens might be fine for you and your young kids, but don't attempt to take away the voice of disagreeing parents, and then celebrate doing To answer your question "what kind of man gets up in the morning and decides, "I'm going to dress like a woman, to flamboyant excess, and hopefully find some young kids to hang out with" I think you are looking at pantomime actors, priests and Mascots (more female animals than women). Drag shows tend to be held in adult venues with alcohol. Children are not the audience. Therefore reporting churches is the right thing to do. If you disagree we can play a spot the degenerate game. I cite a case where a priest has abused a child. You cite a case where a drag queen has. We alternate untill one of us runs out of material.

15th December 2022, 06:07 AM	#54
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by Lothian Drag shows tend to be held in adult venues with alcohol. Children are not the audience. That is not what we are addressing, here. We are addressing matters where children are potentially part of the audience, or indeed the targeted audience. We are also addressing the justifications being put forth that any such parental concerns should be silenced. Which is actually the larger issue, imo.

15th December 2022, 06:09 AM	#55
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by Warp12 That is not what we are addressing, here. We are addressing matters where children are potentially part of the audience, or indeed the targeted audience. We are also addressing the justifications being put forth that any such parental concerns should be silenced. A parent with infinite concern for their child simply doesn't have to attend. They literally have an incredibly easy method to address their concern.
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15th December 2022, 06:13 AM	#56
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward A parent with infinite concern for their child simply doesn't have to attend. They literally have an incredibly easy method to address their concern. Bob, do you think there is a possibility that some of these shows are unrestricted? Or that a child might attend without parental consent, or with someone besides a parent or legal guardian? Do you think parents can be all places, at all times? By your logic why do we need to restrict alcohol, tobacco, movies? After it is just a simple matter of the parent handling such matters at all times, right? Honestly, I find your argument ridiculous and not worthy of further consideration. And you still haven't explained why it is acceptable to attempt to silence the voices of concerned parents, as some here seem to be advocating.

15th December 2022, 06:14 AM	#57
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 18,427	Originally Posted by Warp12 That is not what we are addressing, here. We are addressing matters where children are potentially part of the audience, or indeed the targeted audience. We are also addressing the justifications being put forth that any such parental concerns should be silenced. Which is actually the larger issue, imo. You want to ban pantomimes? Or are there other drag shows aimed at children? Even if there were shows what is the objection again?

15th December 2022, 06:18 AM	#58
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by Warp12 Bob, do you think there is a possibility that some of these shows are unrestricted? Or that a child might attend without parental consent, or with someone besides a parent or legal guardian? Do you think parents can be all places, at all times? By your logic why do we need to restrict alcohol, tobacco, movies? After it is just a simple matter of the parent handling such matters at all times, right?Honestly, I find your argument ridiculous and not worthy of further consideration. And you still haven't explained why it is acceptable to attempt to silence the voices of concerned parents, as some here seem to be advocating. Teaching your child so they make decisions when you are not there is parenting. It isn't the job of the state to do it for you. Further, they are trying to actually deny me as a parent because they are not able to let their child exercise a modicum of self direction.
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15th December 2022, 06:19 AM	#59
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 18,427	Originally Posted by Warp12 Honestly, I find your argument ridiculous and not worthy of furry consideration. . You raise a good point. Do you think the furry fetish is normal or degenerate? Should sports mascots therefore be banned?

15th December 2022, 06:20 AM	#60
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by Lothian Even if there were shows what is the objection again? So are you saying that parents should not have a voice in a what their children are exposed to? That it is ok to actively attempt to silence them? The particular objection is hardly the main point, here. Unless the position is, "I approve of xyz, therefore nobody else is deserving of a voice".
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15th December 2022, 06:25 AM	#61
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by Warp12 So are you saying that parents should not have a voice in a what their children are exposed to? That it is ok to actively attempt to silence them? The particular objection is hardly the main point, here. Unless the position is, "I approve of xyz, therefore nobody else is deserving of a voice". No one is being silenced
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15th December 2022, 06:27 AM	#62
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33,602	Originally Posted by Warp12 So are you saying that parents should not have a voice in a what their children are exposed to? That is definitely what you are saying by taking away my choice as a parent.
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15th December 2022, 06:31 AM	#63
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 18,427	Originally Posted by Warp12 So are you saying that parents should not have a voice in a what their children are exposed to? That it is ok to actively attempt to silence them? The particular objection is hardly the main point, here. Unless the position is, "I approve of xyz, therefore nobody else is deserving of a voice". Everyone has a voice. As to what their kids are exposed to, are you aware that parents can choose what shows to take their kids to? The silencing point is interesting given the group reported are not simply trying to limit what their kids are exposed to they are trying to limit what all children are exposed to. Do you agree with them? Do you support the banning of all adults dressing as a member of the opposite sex where children are present?

15th December 2022, 06:34 AM	#64
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,668	Originally Posted by Upchurch Tangentially related, but for all the talk of “parental choice”, they seem determined to remove choices from parents who don’t suffer from retro gay panic. Just as "freedom of religion" usually means "freedom to make everyone else follow my religion", "parental choice" means "force all other parents to make the same choices as me".

15th December 2022, 06:36 AM	#65
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by Lothian Do you support the banning of all adults dressing as a member of the opposite sex where children are present? No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events. But again, this is more about the whole concept of silencing parental concerns, imo. It is a common liberal theme, these days. My individual concerns about Drag Queens are minor in the grand scheme, and I have no interest in continuously debating them.

15th December 2022, 06:46 AM	#66
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,371	Originally Posted by Warp12 No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events. But again, this is more about the whole concept of silencing parental concerns, imo. It is a common liberal theme, these days. My individual concerns about Drag Queens are minor in the grand scheme, and I have no interest in continuously debating them. Where/what is the harm which needs to be mitigated with age appropriate restrictions ?

15th December 2022, 06:47 AM	#67
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 18,427	Originally Posted by Warp12 No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events. . I too support the parents being able to choose what their kids go to. I also agree with you on age restrictions. Under 2 years old they have no attention span and are likely to attention seek distracting from the performance. Originally Posted by Warp12 But again, this is more about the whole concept of silencing parental concerns, imo. It is a common liberal theme, these days. My individual concerns about Drag Queens are minor in the grand scheme, and I have no interest in continuously debating them. Yet you are siding with those seeking to impose their views on others? Hypocrite much?
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15th December 2022, 06:52 AM	#68
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by Warp12 By your logic why do we need to restrict alcohol, tobacco, movies? I am not convinced we do. I think anyone who has left the bubble of the US has been to first world nations with far different stances on these and it turns out fine.
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15th December 2022, 06:55 AM	#69
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by Lothian Yet you are siding with those seeking to impose their views on others? Hypocrite much? That is an odd take on what I have stated. I'm siding with parents having a voice. I am not advocating to silence their voices, as is being championed by some. Originally Posted by Warp12 No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events. Hard to make it much more clear than that, I'd say.
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15th December 2022, 06:58 AM	#70
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by Warp12 That is an odd take on what I have stated. I'm siding with parents having a voice. I am not advocating to silence their voices, as is being championed by some. Hard to make it much more clear than that, I'd say. Can you please say what that voice is being used to do? To take away my parental rights, right?
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15th December 2022, 07:00 AM	#71
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward Can you please say what that voice is being used to do? To take away my parental rights, right? First, I don't agree with that being the intent. But are you saying that your concerns trump someone else's right to have a voice? Sure seems to be what you have been continuously promoting.

15th December 2022, 07:02 AM	#72
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 20,507	Originally Posted by Stacyhs These bigots are so sexually repressed. It must be horrible living like that. Like I said, they seem to think about gay sex more than gay people do. I'm sure it's nothing like Ted Haggard syndrome, though.
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15th December 2022, 07:08 AM	#73
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by Warp12 First, I don't agree with that being the intent. But are you saying that your concerns trump someone else's right to have a voice? Sure seems to be what you have been continuously promoting. A) It is the intent. There is a movement to ban it B) no one is being silenced
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15th December 2022, 07:09 AM	#74
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 18,427	Originally Posted by Warp12 That is an odd take on what I have stated. I'm siding with parents having a voice. I am not advocating to silence their voices, as is being championed by some. Hard to make it much more clear than that, I'd say. I take it that you are therefore against the group in the op who are trying to get people to report shows so they can try to get the shows stopped. Disrupting their activity of denying parenteral choice is something you should support.

15th December 2022, 07:18 AM	#75
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by Lothian I take it that you are therefore against the group in the op who are trying to get people to report shows so they can try to get the shows stopped. Disrupting their activity of denying parenteral choice is something you should support. They are giving parents a voice, a venue to express concern. It seems to be an activist organization. Activism is not just isolated to liberal concerns, after all. If there is a website to report a concern of liberal parents, I am not going to spam it in attempt to silence them. But again, we are losing sight of the issue. Why is it acceptable to silence the voices of these (or any) parents? What is wrong with expressing concerns about activities/events that your child may be exposed to against your wishes?

15th December 2022, 07:19 AM	#76
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,117	Originally Posted by Warp12 That is not what we are addressing, here. We are addressing matters where children are potentially part of the audience, or indeed the targeted audience. We are also addressing the justifications being put forth that any such parental concerns should be silenced. Which is actually the larger issue, imo. You might be but no one else in this thread has done so. Everyone else apart from you seems to be all for parental choice.
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15th December 2022, 07:21 AM	#77
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,117	Originally Posted by Warp12 Bob, do you think there is a possibility that some of these shows are unrestricted? Or that a child might attend without parental consent, or with someone besides a parent or legal guardian? Do you think parents can be all places, at all times? By your logic why do we need to restrict alcohol, tobacco, movies? After it is just a simple matter of the parent handling such matters at all times, right? Honestly, I find your argument ridiculous and not worthy of further consideration. And you still haven't explained why it is acceptable to attempt to silence the voices of concerned parents, as some here seem to be advocating. And here I was thinking the Puritans had died out.
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