Drag Shows!! - Page 3

Darat · 15th December 2022, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

...snip...

But again, this is more about the whole concept of silencing parental concerns, imo....snip...

Which as we can all see from your posts in this thread you are fine for as long as that silencing matches what you want silenced.

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 07:26 AM

A post of mine was moved because it replied to another post that was removed. So I wanted to separately extend an offer to warp that I'm happy to answer any questions about my experience of taking my 5 year old

Darat · 15th December 2022, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

They are giving parents a voice, a venue to express concern. It seems to be an activist organization. Activism is not just isolated to liberal concerns, after all. If there is a website to report a concern of liberal parents, I am not going to spam it in attempt to silence them.

But again, we are losing sight of the issue. Why is it acceptable to silence the voices of these (or any) parents? What is wrong with expressing concerns about activities/events that your child may be exposed to against your wishes?

No there is no "we" doing that - the only one that is doing that is you.

After all it is you that wishes to silence those parents that disagree with the activists behind the site mentioned in the opening post.

No one but you has called for the silencing of any parent's voice.

3point14 · 15th December 2022, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

I would strongly disagree with that assessment. Refusing to endorse every fetish that comes along does not make someone "sexually repressed". Especially when it comes to what young children are exposed to.

It just makes you wonder what kind of man gets up in the morning and decides, "I'm going to dress like a woman, to flamboyant excess, and hopefully find some young kids to hang out with". Libs will often say, "the kids are too young to understand it". Well, if so, why are these weirdos doing it? For what benefit?

We all know to what "benefit". To normalize such abnormal behaviors at a very early age. I mean, that is the best case scenario, I suppose.

But aside from that, what is worse, is that some feel they are doing something heroic by silencing the voices of concerned parents, by doing things like spamming the website in the OP. Drag Queens might be fine for you and your young kids, but don't attempt to take away the voice of disagreeing parents, and then celebrate doing so.

I'm really curious as to what you think the negative result of seeing a bloke in a frock might be. Or indeed, what the negative consequenses of being a bloke in a frock might be. Other than, of course, incurring the wrath of people such as yourself that can't, for some reason, cope with seeing a bloke in a frock.

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by 3point14

I'm really curious as to what you think the negative result of seeing a bloke in a frock might be. Or indeed, what the negative consequenses of being a bloke in a frock might be. Other than, of course, incurring the wrath of people such as yourself that can't, for some reason, cope with seeing a bloke in a frock.

Knowing the answer to your question is trivially easy....are you trying to get someone to justify that answer to you?

Lothian · 15th December 2022, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

But again, we are losing sight of the issue. Why is it acceptable to silence the voices of these (or any) parents?

These people are trying to ban a show and doing so are seeking to remove parental choice and silence the majority who are happy. This is not about expressing an opinion which all can do is it specifically activism to impose a world view on others.

Originally Posted by Warp12

What is wrong with expressing concerns about activities/events that your child may be exposed to against your wishes?

Nothing although there is absolutely no need for any child to be exposed to a show. There is parental choice on whether to attend. Banning a show is not expressing concerns and that is what this group is wanting to do.

Lothian · 15th December 2022, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by 3point14

I'm really curious as to what you think the negative result of seeing a bloke in a frock might be. Or indeed, what the negative consequenses of being a bloke in a frock might be. Other than, of course, incurring the wrath of people such as yourself that can't, for some reason, cope with seeing a bloke in a frock.

I am interested to know as someone who has worn a 'frock' on many occasiond. I am sure many a child would see my kilt as a skirt.

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Lothian

These people are trying to ban a show and doing so are seeking to remove parental choice and silence the majority who are happy. This is not about expressing an opinion which all can do is it specifically activism to impose a world view on others.

We probably shouldn't silence people trying to impose a world view. That is fundamentally what petitioning the government is.

3point14 · 15th December 2022, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

Knowing the answer to your question is trivially easy....are you trying to get someone to justify that answer to you?

I'd like an answer to the question, as I really don't see any issue with it at all.

What's wrong with a bloke in a frock?

Do some people still object to ladies in trousers?

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by 3point14

I'd like an answer to the question, as I really don't see any issue with it at all.

What's wrong with a bloke in a frock?

Do some people still object to ladies in trousers?

Here is the trivially easy answer

It is an encouraged by groomers because they know this behavior is ultimately inseparable from deviant sexuality, normalizing it for children, and making them more susceptible to child sexual assault

I'm a little surprised you hadn't heard this before

3point14 · 15th December 2022, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

Here is the trivially easy answer

It is an encouraged by groomers because they know this behavior is ultimately inseparable from deviant sexuality, normalizing it for children, and making them more susceptible to child sexual assault

I'm a little surprised you hadn't heard this before

Well, that's just utterly, utterly mental. I was hoping for something a little more thought through. I should have known better.

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by 3point14

Well, that's just utterly, utterly mental. I was hoping for something a little more thought through. I should have known better.

There are some more banal ones, but they basically amount to, "I think it is immoral" and either they should impose their morality on you or they think they should be insulated from the risk of their child choosing to participate against the parents wishes

bruto · 15th December 2022, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by 3point14

Well, that's just utterly, utterly mental. I was hoping for something a little more thought through. I should have known better.

Judging from other posts in this thread, though I may be wrong, I think Bob is providing the argument that is made by some, not an argument that is made by him. If that is correct, the frailty of the argument is not his.

Donal · 15th December 2022, 08:10 AM

If we can take a break from feeding the trolls who are successfully derailing another thread, what addresses can we report?

I heard there was a big drag event going on at 1010 Colorado Street in Austin.

3point14 · 15th December 2022, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by bruto

Judging from other posts in this thread, though I may be wrong, I think Bob is providing the argument that is made by some, not an argument that is made by him. If that is correct, the frailty of the argument is not his.

Yes, I belatedly realised that.

I was railing against the world (a worthwhile and productive pursuit...) rather than against Bob.

Sorry Bob.

Upchurch · 15th December 2022, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

First, I don't agree with that being the intent.

You may not agree that it is the intent, but can you see that it is a direct effect?

Originally Posted by Warp12

But are you saying that your concerns trump someone else's right to have a voice?

No one is being silenced. No one is being forced to go to drag shows against their wills (well, maybe kids who'd rather be watching TV or playing video games, but that has nothing to do with drag queens reading stories).

By making drag illegal, it is denying parents the choice of what they expose their children to. This is not a "both sides" issue.

3point14 · 15th December 2022, 08:18 AM

If it were up to me, no children should be exposed to Harry Potter, as I believe they should only be exposed to good storytelling, but you don't see me outside the bookshop with a placard.

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by 3point14

If it were up to me, no children should be exposed to Harry Potter, as I believe they should only be exposed to good storytelling, but you don't see me outside the bookshop with a placard.

Have you read them? I read the first 4 to my kid...not bad

3point14 · 15th December 2022, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

Have you read them? I read the first 4 to my kid...not bad

About half of them. This would be a major derail and is probably my bugbear and mine alone.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, bickering about blokes in frocks.

Foster Zygote · 15th December 2022, 08:23 AM

Minors attending drag shows, like public libraries exposing kids to hard-core porn and freakish values being pressed on children by public school teachers, is apparently one of those invisible plagues, like the TicTok 'nail your balls to the wall challenge'. Won't someone please think of the children???

Stout · 15th December 2022, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

I would strongly disagree with that assessment. Refusing to endorse every fetish that comes along does not make someone "sexually repressed". Especially when it comes to what young children are exposed to.

It just makes you wonder what kind of man gets up in the morning and decides, "I'm going to dress like a woman, to flamboyant excess, and hopefully find some young kids to hang out with". Libs will often say, "the kids are too young to understand it". Well, if so, why are these weirdos doing it? For what benefit?

We all know to what "benefit". To normalize such abnormal behaviors at a very early age. I mean, that is the best case scenario, I suppose.

Clowns. Clowns get up in the morning looking to dress up to to flamboyant excess, and hopefully find some young kids to hang out with and all drag is is a variation on clowning. Assuming they've removed some of the nightclub jokes to make these shows more family friendly then there's nothing wrong with taking your kids to a drag show much in the same way you'd take them to the circus.

Maybe if we had some examples of the content that parents were supposedly objection to posted to this thread we could see what it is these conservative parents are freaking out about. I don't imagine any content will violate any rules of this family friendly forum and we can all have a good laugh at the things these conservatives are paranoid over being "inappropriate".

Foster Zygote · 15th December 2022, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Donal

If we can take a break from feeding the trolls who are successfully derailing another thread, what addresses can we report?

I heard there was a big drag event going on at 1010 Colorado Street in Austin.

Is there a Sons of Confederate Veterans office in Texas?

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 08:27 AM

The opponents are right

It is deviant and provocative. Drag story hour certainly does deviate from puritanical or conservative thought and it does provoke them, often deliberately.

They were partially right about the slippery slope. Things have gotten progressively more opposed to their world view. What they get wrong is the slippery slope argument is supposed to convince others that their actions would lead to something they also didn't like....and it turns out most Americans generally like freedom

bluesjnr · 15th December 2022, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Lothian

I am interested to know as someone who has worn a 'frock' on many occasiond. I am sure many a child would see my kilt as a skirt.

Don't do that, please.

Warp12 · 15th December 2022, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Stout

Clowns. Clowns get up in the morning looking to dress up to to flamboyant excess, and hopefully find some young kids to hang out with and all drag is is a variation on clowning

That is a rather simplistic analysis, imo. Like saying a scat fetish is just a variation on pooping.

But either way, still not justification to spam the website in the OP, in order to silence parental concerns. These parents have a right to express their opinions. And if their concern is judged to be valid, perhaps it will affect a change. Perhaps not.

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

That is a rather simplistic analysis, imo. Like saying a scat fetish is just a variation on pooping.

But either way, still not justification to spam the website in the OP, in order to silence parental concerns. These parents have a right to express their opinions. And if their concern is judged to be valid, perhaps it will affect a change. Perhaps not.

spamming doesn't silence them

Darat · 15th December 2022, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

That is a rather simplistic analysis, imo. Like saying a scat fetish is just a variation on pooping.

But either way, still not justification to spam the website in the OP, in order to silence parental concerns. These parents have a right to express their opinions. And if their concern is judged to be valid, perhaps it will affect a change. Perhaps not.

Again you are clearly stating that only those parents that agree with you should not be silenced, You want to silence those that disagree with you.

3point14 · 15th December 2022, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

The opponents are right

It is deviant and provocative. Drag story hour certainly does deviate from puritanical or conservative thought and it does provoke them, often deliberately.

They were partially right about the slippery slope. Things have gotten progressively more opposed to their world view. What they get wrong is the slippery slope argument is supposed to convince others that their actions would lead to something they also didn't like....and it turns out most Americans generally like freedom

Except, of course, the freedom to put on clothes of the opposite sex and talk to children. Unless, of course, you're a lady, in which case wear clothes of the opposite sex all you like.

I continue to believe this is all mental.

Warp12 · 15th December 2022, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

spamming doesn't silence them

Sure it does. The intent is to overload the content in order to drown out the voices of the concerned. Eventually this invariably leads to the "tip line" becoming unviable.

Besides you have already fairly well stated that you think it is ok to silence their voices, anyway.

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by 3point14

Except, of course, the freedom to put on clothesof the opposite gender and talk to children. Unless, of course, you're a lady, in which case wear clothes of the opposite sex all you like.

I continue to believe this is all mental.

It seems most Americans are not opposed to drag story hour

BobTheCoward · 15th December 2022, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Sure it does. The intent is overload the content in order to drown out the voices of the concerned. Eventually this invariably leads to the "tip line" becoming unviable.

Drown out is not silencing. Counter protesting does not silence the protestors nearby. that protest is still happening

The Great Zaganza · 15th December 2022, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by 3point14

If it were up to me, no children should be exposed to Harry Potter, as I believe they should only be exposed to good storytelling, but you don't see me outside the bookshop with a placard.

hard agree

Darat · 15th December 2022, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Sure it does. The intent is overload the content in order to drown out the voices of the concerned. Eventually this invariably leads to the "tip line" becoming unviable.

Besides you have already fairly well stated that you think it is ok to silence their voices, anyway.

And you are carrying on saying that only the voices you want heard should be heard.

You are the only one in this thread that has said anyone should be silenced.

Beelzebuddy · 15th December 2022, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Sure it does. The intent is to overload the content in order to drown out the voices of the concerned. Eventually this invariably leads to the "tip line" becoming unviable.

Besides you have already fairly well stated that you think it is ok to silence their voices, anyway.

Clearly the solution is to fight fire with fire, by showing up to protest drag shows in drag and thus overload the sissy dressin' to drown out perverse grooming intention. That'll show 'em.

bluesjnr · 15th December 2022, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Like I said, they seem to think about gay sex more than gay people do. I'm sure it's nothing like Ted Haggard syndrome, though.

Are you saying that "they" might be gay themselves, what with the Ted Haggard reference? If so that seems to suggest there is something wrong with being gay, suppressing it and perhaps projecting? 'Cos if you are that comes across as very homophobic to me.

I'm sure many gay people struggle with coming out and try to "fit in".

To, in effect, point to another member and suggest they are gay as a form of belittlement or in an attempt to discredit their argument is not a good look.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you and you might like to correct me?

Lothian · 15th December 2022, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Sure it does. The intent is to overload the content in order to drown out the voices of the concerned. Eventually this invariably leads to the "tip line" becoming unviable.

I think we have very good evidence that trolls posting **** don't drown out sensible posts.

See here

Upchurch · 15th December 2022, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by 3point14

If it were up to me, no children should be exposed to Harry Potter, as I believe they should only be exposed to good storytelling, but you don't see me outside the bookshop with a placard.

Even if you had, that would still not be on the same level as what is being proposed here. This would be equivalent to not only banning Harry Potter books, but criminalizing anyone who gave or sold Harry Potter books to willing readers on the chance that a child whose parents don't approve might get one.

Skeptic Ginger · 15th December 2022, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

.... And you still haven't explained why it is acceptable to attempt to silence the voices of concerned parents, as some here seem to be advocating.

Other than declaring kids shouldn't be exposed, have you explained why concerned parents are justified dictating what not concerned parents should be concerned about?

sarge · 15th December 2022, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

Would you rather have young men exposed to drag shows in a kind, safe learning environment or after a few too many Phuket Lagers the night his destroyer pulls into Bangkok?

If they don't learn about drag shows when they're young, they'll turn into that guy everyone knows who did a COBRA GOLD exercise in their first tour and ends up spending their life expressing exaggerated homophobia to hide their self-loathing over not being able to process their conflicted feelings about accidentally having sex with a Thai boy.

I have two Cobra Golds under my belt and I never accidentally had sex with a Thai boy.

Stout · 15th December 2022, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

That is a rather simplistic analysis, imo. Like saying a scat fetish is just a variation on pooping.

But either way, still not justification to spam the website in the OP, in order to silence parental concerns. These parents have a right to express their opinions. And if their concern is judged to be valid, perhaps it will affect a change. Perhaps not.

It could be but until we actually see this inappropriate content and get to judge for ourselves whether this is an overreaction the simplistic analysis will have to do.

I can't get into that defend kids reporting site and it turns out that the idea of spamming them with false reports is a couple of weeks old. I doubt they're even reading it anymore now that it's gotten them the attention they were looking for.

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Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,205	Originally Posted by Warp12 ...snip... But again, this is more about the whole concept of silencing parental concerns, imo....snip... Which as we can all see from your posts in this thread you are fine for as long as that silencing matches what you want silenced.
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15th December 2022, 07:26 AM	#82
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15th December 2022, 07:30 AM	#83
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,205	Originally Posted by Warp12 They are giving parents a voice, a venue to express concern. It seems to be an activist organization. Activism is not just isolated to liberal concerns, after all. If there is a website to report a concern of liberal parents, I am not going to spam it in attempt to silence them. But again, we are losing sight of the issue. Why is it acceptable to silence the voices of these (or any) parents? What is wrong with expressing concerns about activities/events that your child may be exposed to against your wishes? No there is no "we" doing that - the only one that is doing that is you. After all it is you that wishes to silence those parents that disagree with the activists behind the site mentioned in the opening post. No one but you has called for the silencing of any parent's voice.
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15th December 2022, 07:42 AM	#84
3point14 Pi Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 21,545	Originally Posted by Warp12 I would strongly disagree with that assessment. Refusing to endorse every fetish that comes along does not make someone "sexually repressed". Especially when it comes to what young children are exposed to. It just makes you wonder what kind of man gets up in the morning and decides, "I'm going to dress like a woman, to flamboyant excess, and hopefully find some young kids to hang out with". Libs will often say, "the kids are too young to understand it". Well, if so, why are these weirdos doing it? For what benefit? We all know to what "benefit". To normalize such abnormal behaviors at a very early age. I mean, that is the best case scenario, I suppose. But aside from that, what is worse, is that some feel they are doing something heroic by silencing the voices of concerned parents, by doing things like spamming the website in the OP. Drag Queens might be fine for you and your young kids, but don't attempt to take away the voice of disagreeing parents, and then celebrate doing so. I'm really curious as to what you think the negative result of seeing a bloke in a frock might be. Or indeed, what the negative consequenses of being a bloke in a frock might be. Other than, of course, incurring the wrath of people such as yourself that can't, for some reason, cope with seeing a bloke in a frock.
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15th December 2022, 07:46 AM	#85
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by 3point14 I'm really curious as to what you think the negative result of seeing a bloke in a frock might be. Or indeed, what the negative consequenses of being a bloke in a frock might be. Other than, of course, incurring the wrath of people such as yourself that can't, for some reason, cope with seeing a bloke in a frock. Knowing the answer to your question is trivially easy....are you trying to get someone to justify that answer to you?
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15th December 2022, 07:46 AM	#86
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 18,445	Originally Posted by Warp12 But again, we are losing sight of the issue. Why is it acceptable to silence the voices of these (or any) parents? These people are trying to ban a show and doing so are seeking to remove parental choice and silence the majority who are happy. This is not about expressing an opinion which all can do is it specifically activism to impose a world view on others. Originally Posted by Warp12 What is wrong with expressing concerns about activities/events that your child may be exposed to against your wishes? Nothing although there is absolutely no need for any child to be exposed to a show. There is parental choice on whether to attend. Banning a show is not expressing concerns and that is what this group is wanting to do.

15th December 2022, 07:49 AM	#87
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 18,445	Originally Posted by 3point14 I'm really curious as to what you think the negative result of seeing a bloke in a frock might be. Or indeed, what the negative consequenses of being a bloke in a frock might be. Other than, of course, incurring the wrath of people such as yourself that can't, for some reason, cope with seeing a bloke in a frock. I am interested to know as someone who has worn a 'frock' on many occasiond. I am sure many a child would see my kilt as a skirt.

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BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by Lothian These people are trying to ban a show and doing so are seeking to remove parental choice and silence the majority who are happy. This is not about expressing an opinion which all can do is it specifically activism to impose a world view on others. We probably shouldn't silence people trying to impose a world view. That is fundamentally what petitioning the government is.
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15th December 2022, 07:51 AM	#89
3point14 Pi Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 21,545	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward Knowing the answer to your question is trivially easy....are you trying to get someone to justify that answer to you? I'd like an answer to the question, as I really don't see any issue with it at all. What's wrong with a bloke in a frock? Do some people still object to ladies in trousers?
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15th December 2022, 07:53 AM	#90
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by 3point14 I'd like an answer to the question, as I really don't see any issue with it at all. What's wrong with a bloke in a frock? Do some people still object to ladies in trousers? Here is the trivially easy answer It is an encouraged by groomers because they know this behavior is ultimately inseparable from deviant sexuality, normalizing it for children, and making them more susceptible to child sexual assault I'm a little surprised you hadn't heard this before
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15th December 2022, 07:57 AM	#91
3point14 Pi Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 21,545	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward Here is the trivially easy answer It is an encouraged by groomers because they know this behavior is ultimately inseparable from deviant sexuality, normalizing it for children, and making them more susceptible to child sexual assault I'm a little surprised you hadn't heard this before Well, that's just utterly, utterly mental. I was hoping for something a little more thought through. I should have known better.
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15th December 2022, 08:03 AM	#92
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by 3point14 Well, that's just utterly, utterly mental. I was hoping for something a little more thought through. I should have known better. There are some more banal ones, but they basically amount to, "I think it is immoral" and either they should impose their morality on you or they think they should be insulated from the risk of their child choosing to participate against the parents wishes
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Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,301	If we can take a break from feeding the trolls who are successfully derailing another thread, what addresses can we report? I heard there was a big drag event going on at 1010 Colorado Street in Austin.
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15th December 2022, 08:11 AM	#95
3point14 Pi Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 21,545	Originally Posted by bruto Judging from other posts in this thread, though I may be wrong, I think Bob is providing the argument that is made by some, not an argument that is made by him. If that is correct, the frailty of the argument is not his. Yes, I belatedly realised that. I was railing against the world (a worthwhile and productive pursuit...) rather than against Bob. Sorry Bob.
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Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33,606	Originally Posted by Warp12 First, I don't agree with that being the intent. You may not agree that it is the intent, but can you see that it is a direct effect? Originally Posted by Warp12 But are you saying that your concerns trump someone else's right to have a voice? No one is being silenced. No one is being forced to go to drag shows against their wills (well, maybe kids who'd rather be watching TV or playing video games, but that has nothing to do with drag queens reading stories). By making drag illegal, it is denying parents the choice of what they expose their children to. This is not a "both sides" issue.
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BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by 3point14 If it were up to me, no children should be exposed to Harry Potter, as I believe they should only be exposed to good storytelling, but you don't see me outside the bookshop with a placard. Have you read them? I read the first 4 to my kid...not bad
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15th December 2022, 08:22 AM	#99
3point14 Pi Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 21,545	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward Have you read them? I read the first 4 to my kid...not bad About half of them. This would be a major derail and is probably my bugbear and mine alone. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, bickering about blokes in frocks.
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15th December 2022, 08:23 AM	#100
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 20,513	Minors attending drag shows, like public libraries exposing kids to hard-core porn and freakish values being pressed on children by public school teachers, is apparently one of those invisible plagues, like the TicTok 'nail your balls to the wall challenge'. Won't someone please think of the children???
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15th December 2022, 08:25 AM	#101
Stout Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 5,339	Originally Posted by Warp12 I would strongly disagree with that assessment. Refusing to endorse every fetish that comes along does not make someone "sexually repressed". Especially when it comes to what young children are exposed to. It just makes you wonder what kind of man gets up in the morning and decides, "I'm going to dress like a woman, to flamboyant excess, and hopefully find some young kids to hang out with". Libs will often say, "the kids are too young to understand it". Well, if so, why are these weirdos doing it? For what benefit? We all know to what "benefit". To normalize such abnormal behaviors at a very early age. I mean, that is the best case scenario, I suppose. Clowns. Clowns get up in the morning looking to dress up to to flamboyant excess, and hopefully find some young kids to hang out with and all drag is is a variation on clowning. Assuming they've removed some of the nightclub jokes to make these shows more family friendly then there's nothing wrong with taking your kids to a drag show much in the same way you'd take them to the circus. Maybe if we had some examples of the content that parents were supposedly objection to posted to this thread we could see what it is these conservative parents are freaking out about. I don't imagine any content will violate any rules of this family friendly forum and we can all have a good laugh at the things these conservatives are paranoid over being "inappropriate".
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15th December 2022, 08:26 AM	#102
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 20,513	Originally Posted by Donal If we can take a break from feeding the trolls who are successfully derailing another thread, what addresses can we report? I heard there was a big drag event going on at 1010 Colorado Street in Austin. Is there a Sons of Confederate Veterans office in Texas?
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15th December 2022, 08:27 AM	#103
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	The opponents are right It is deviant and provocative. Drag story hour certainly does deviate from puritanical or conservative thought and it does provoke them, often deliberately. They were partially right about the slippery slope. Things have gotten progressively more opposed to their world view. What they get wrong is the slippery slope argument is supposed to convince others that their actions would lead to something they also didn't like....and it turns out most Americans generally like freedom
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15th December 2022, 08:29 AM	#104
bluesjnr Professional Nemesis for Hire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Home. Posts: 10,996	Originally Posted by Lothian I am interested to know as someone who has worn a 'frock' on many occasiond. I am sure many a child would see my kilt as a skirt. Don't do that, please.
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15th December 2022, 08:30 AM	#105
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by Stout Clowns. Clowns get up in the morning looking to dress up to to flamboyant excess, and hopefully find some young kids to hang out with and all drag is is a variation on clowning That is a rather simplistic analysis, imo. Like saying a scat fetish is just a variation on pooping. But either way, still not justification to spam the website in the OP, in order to silence parental concerns. These parents have a right to express their opinions. And if their concern is judged to be valid, perhaps it will affect a change. Perhaps not.

15th December 2022, 08:31 AM	#106
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by Warp12 That is a rather simplistic analysis, imo. Like saying a scat fetish is just a variation on pooping. But either way, still not justification to spam the website in the OP, in order to silence parental concerns. These parents have a right to express their opinions. And if their concern is judged to be valid, perhaps it will affect a change. Perhaps not. spamming doesn't silence them
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15th December 2022, 08:32 AM	#107
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,205	Originally Posted by Warp12 That is a rather simplistic analysis, imo. Like saying a scat fetish is just a variation on pooping. But either way, still not justification to spam the website in the OP, in order to silence parental concerns. These parents have a right to express their opinions. And if their concern is judged to be valid, perhaps it will affect a change. Perhaps not. Again you are clearly stating that only those parents that agree with you should not be silenced, You want to silence those that disagree with you.
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15th December 2022, 08:33 AM	#108
3point14 Pi Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 21,545	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward The opponents are right It is deviant and provocative. Drag story hour certainly does deviate from puritanical or conservative thought and it does provoke them, often deliberately. They were partially right about the slippery slope. Things have gotten progressively more opposed to their world view. What they get wrong is the slippery slope argument is supposed to convince others that their actions would lead to something they also didn't like....and it turns out most Americans generally like freedom Except, of course, the freedom to put on clothes of the opposite sex and talk to children. Unless, of course, you're a lady, in which case wear clothes of the opposite sex all you like. I continue to believe this is all mental.
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15th December 2022, 08:34 AM	#109
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward spamming doesn't silence them Sure it does. The intent is to overload the content in order to drown out the voices of the concerned. Eventually this invariably leads to the "tip line" becoming unviable. Besides you have already fairly well stated that you think it is ok to silence their voices, anyway.
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15th December 2022, 08:34 AM	#110
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by 3point14 Except, of course, the freedom to put on clothesof the opposite gender and talk to children. Unless, of course, you're a lady, in which case wear clothes of the opposite sex all you like. I continue to believe this is all mental. It seems most Americans are not opposed to drag story hour
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15th December 2022, 08:35 AM	#111
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by Warp12 Sure it does. The intent is overload the content in order to drown out the voices of the concerned. Eventually this invariably leads to the "tip line" becoming unviable. Drown out is not silencing. Counter protesting does not silence the protestors nearby. that protest is still happening
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15th December 2022, 08:35 AM	#112
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,556	Originally Posted by 3point14 If it were up to me, no children should be exposed to Harry Potter, as I believe they should only be exposed to good storytelling, but you don't see me outside the bookshop with a placard. hard agree
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15th December 2022, 08:37 AM	#113
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,205	Originally Posted by Warp12 Sure it does. The intent is overload the content in order to drown out the voices of the concerned. Eventually this invariably leads to the "tip line" becoming unviable. Besides you have already fairly well stated that you think it is ok to silence their voices, anyway. And you are carrying on saying that only the voices you want heard should be heard. You are the only one in this thread that has said anyone should be silenced.
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15th December 2022, 08:39 AM	#114
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 9,322	Originally Posted by Warp12 Sure it does. The intent is to overload the content in order to drown out the voices of the concerned. Eventually this invariably leads to the "tip line" becoming unviable. Besides you have already fairly well stated that you think it is ok to silence their voices, anyway. Clearly the solution is to fight fire with fire, by showing up to protest drag shows in drag and thus overload the sissy dressin' to drown out perverse grooming intention. That'll show 'em.
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15th December 2022, 08:47 AM	#115
bluesjnr Professional Nemesis for Hire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Home. Posts: 10,996	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote Like I said, they seem to think about gay sex more than gay people do. I'm sure it's nothing like Ted Haggard syndrome, though. Are you saying that "they" might be gay themselves, what with the Ted Haggard reference? If so that seems to suggest there is something wrong with being gay, suppressing it and perhaps projecting? 'Cos if you are that comes across as very homophobic to me. I'm sure many gay people struggle with coming out and try to "fit in". To, in effect, point to another member and suggest they are gay as a form of belittlement or in an attempt to discredit their argument is not a good look. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you and you might like to correct me?
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