The right goes to war against "the woke" - Page 4

JoeMorgue · 10th February 2023, 02:49 PM

I have a weird POV on that.

I've, over time, come to the conclusion that electing a black President didn't break the racists.

A black President serving two terms and never once really screwing up bad or having a major scandal did. When you're reduced to complaining that that "that gosh durn colored boy is da White House is wearing a Tan Suit!" and trying to pretend like anyone cares, you're scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

The racists and the racist-adjacenents were (relatively) fine with Obama as long as they could maintain the illusion that his big screw up could happen "any day now."

But when that NEVER happened, that's when they snapped.

And yeah I'm serious in an odd way. I think if Obama had had just one big term defining muck up, Trump MIGHT not have happened.

And I think there's a fair chance that a Trump-like person could have risen up in the late 90s if the Lewinsky Scandal hadn't happened to Clinton.

Stacyhs · 10th February 2023, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by ahhell

No, my argument is that progressive call everyone who disagrees with them racists and takes voting against them as racist. There is literally no evidence that they will accept that somebody or something isn't racist. It has been that way for at least 40 years.

Your argument fails right off the bat as it is based on a false premise.

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If a republican did or said something that could be construed as racist 40 years ago, he's a racist. If a dem wore black face in college, no problem.

Really? Can you give me an example of a Dem who wore black face in college..or at any time... and the progressives who said "no problem"?

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Its a lie when progressives say, stop being racist and I'll stop calling you racist.

So you're saying that when someone is being racist, we shouldn't call them racist?

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It actually doesn't matter what conservatives and republicans do, being conservative or a republican is evidence of guilt.

Well, now...that's quite the claim. Did you find that in the Encyclopedia of Hyperbole under "Victimization"?
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johnny karate · 10th February 2023, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by ahhell

No, my argument is that
progressive call everyone who disagrees with them racists and takes voting against them as racist. There is literally no evidence that they will accept that somebody or something isn't racist. It has been that way for at least 40 years.

If a republican did or said something that could be construed as racist 40 years ago, he's a racist. If a dem wore black face in college, no problem.

Its a lie when progressives say, stop being racist and I'll stop calling you racist. It actually doesn't matter what conservatives and republicans do, being conservative or a republican is evidence of guilt.

And I'm not talking about fairness, I'm talking about practical reality. If you want to convince people of something just calling them names no matter how true won't do it, especially when those names are equally valid in all cases.

Again, look at this thread. I say progressive call all republicans racist with equal vitiriol regardless of the evidence or degree and response is, well the Bushes precided over racist policies. Ok, polices that weren't precided over by Clinton? And so they're just as bad as Trump?

Progressives in this thread are bascially doing the opposite of the principal of charity.

Your case study for how “progressive call everyone who disagrees with them racists” is the Republican Party. We’ve already established that the Republican Party in its current form is, at the very least, welcoming to racists. So it seems that anyone calling them racist actually has a pretty good point.

Do you have a better example? Because this one seems to undermine your claim.

ZiprHead · 10th February 2023, 04:22 PM

I don't know if any of you have ever heard of Noel Casler. He worked on the set of The Apprentice for six years. He has violated his NDA by telling what he saw and heard.

Casler said Trump regularly used the n-word. He was particularly cruel and demeaning to Puerto Rican members of the crew.

He also said Trump regularly snorted ground up Adderall. This was confirmed by Tom Arnold.

More comments by Casler here:
https://www.audacy.com/podcasts/the-...rump-276441876

Stacyhs · 10th February 2023, 05:27 PM

While addressing his audience at a rally in 2016, Trump pointed to a black supporter in the audience and said "Oh look at my African-American over here."

Needing to point out an A-American is present was only necessary because his rallies were a sea of lily-white faces. It's no coincidence that the handful of Black people who did attend his rallies were placed directly behind Trump for the cameras to show. "My" African-American? Hmmmm. Do I really need to point out what's wrong with that?

Sen. Tommy Tuberville referring to Dems:

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"They want crime. They want crime, because they want to take over what you got. They want to control what you have. They want reparation because they think the people that do the crime are owed that. Bulls---. They are not owed that."

Nah, that's not racist. Not at all.

But then again, Tuberville is about as bright as a 4 watt night light.

thaiboxerken · 10th February 2023, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by slyjoe

What's the opposite of "woke"? I haven't heard a good rejoinder yet - "You think I'm woke well I think you are ...".

Asleep? Dead? Zombified?

Bigot is the opposite of "woke".

thaiboxerken · 10th February 2023, 06:12 PM

I'm not sure that you're going to trick the people in the forum into thinking that the Republican party doesn't cater to racism and racists. There is a mountain of evidence against you.

JoeMorgue · 10th February 2023, 06:14 PM

Republican Party: "Says the quiet part out loud."
Democratic Party: "You just said the quiet part out loud."
Republican Party: "INSULTS! SLANDER! NOW WE SEE WHO IS THE REAL VILLAIN OF THIS PIECE!"

We haven't accused the Republicans of anything they haven't bragged about on National TV.

thaiboxerken · 10th February 2023, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Your case study for how “progressive call everyone who disagrees with them racists” is the Republican Party. We’ve already established that the Republican Party in its current form is, at the very least, welcoming to racists. So it seems that anyone calling them racist actually has a pretty good point.

Do you have a better example? Because this one seems to undermine your claim.

Ahhell doesn't seem to understand that Democrats disagree with each other quite often but don't call each other racist over any disagreement. Democrats will call out other Democrats for racist rhetoric, and have.

Heck, Omar was called out for anti-semitism by other Democrats, even though I disagree that what she's said was racist.

Stacyhs · 10th February 2023, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Ahhell doesn't seem to understand that Democrats disagree with each other quite often but don't call each other racist over any disagreement. Democrats will call out other Democrats for racist rhetoric, and have.

Heck, Omar was called out for anti-semitism by other Democrats, even though I disagree that what she's said was racist.

That is a fundamental difference between Dems and Repubs. Dems tend to speak out against improper behavior/remarks from other Dems while Repubs circle the wagon (Never speak ill of another Republican). This is both a strength and a weakness.

pgwenthold · 10th February 2023, 07:23 PM

I like the claim that a) not all Republicans are racist, and b) the democrats are forcing Republicans to vote for racists.

Because, why are racist Republicans even getting nominated? If there are all these non-racist Republicans out there, how are the racist ones winning primaries and getting party nominations? Either the republican voters want to elect racists, or they don't have the option not to.

Don't give us this "the democrats are so bad that we have no option but to vote for racists" nonsense. If you didn't want racists to be elected, you don't have to nominate them. There are plenty of non-racist Republicans that could be running for office, aren't there? Aren't there? Or are there?

Stacyhs · 10th February 2023, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

I like the claim that a) not all Republicans are racist, and b) the democrats are forcing Republicans to vote for racists.

Do you think ALL the millions of Republicans racist? Really? The GOP has a fiscal and small government philosophy that appeals to many people that has nothing to do with racism.

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Because, why are racist Republicans even getting nominated? If there are all these non-racist Republicans out there, how are the racist ones winning primaries and getting party nominations? Either the republican voters want to elect racists, or they don't have the option not to.

Because people have a tendency to vote for their party candidates and overlook what they don't like.

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Don't give us this "the democrats are so bad that we have no option but to vote for racists" nonsense. If you didn't want racists to be elected, you don't have to nominate them. There are plenty of non-racist Republicans that could be running for office, aren't there? Aren't there? Or are there?

When someone disagrees with the Democrat candidate overwhelmingly on the issues, are you so naive that you think they won't vote for the alternative with whom they do agree on the majority of issues and overlook what they don't like?

I'll say it again: not all Republicans are racist but racists tend to be Republicans.

pgwenthold · 10th February 2023, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

When someone disagrees with the Democrat candidate overwhelmingly on the issues, are you so naive that you think they won't vote for the alternative with whom they do agree on the majority of issues and overlook what they don't like?
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That would make sense if the only elections were Republicans vs democrats. But republican primaries are republican vs republican, and still the racists win.

If Republicans didn't want racists for their representatives it should be very easy to not nominate them. Unless, as I said, they support racists or they don't have an option.

They claim there are plenty of non-racist Republicans out there. Fine, so nominate them instead.

You don't think they could find someone as effecrive (ha) as MTG but who does not hang out with White Supremacists?

Stacyhs · 11th February 2023, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

That would make sense if the only elections were Republicans vs democrats. But republican primaries are republican vs republican, and still the racists win.

If Republicans didn't want racists for their representatives it should be very easy to not nominate them. Unless, as I said, they support racists or they don't have an option.

They claim there are plenty of non-racist Republicans out there. Fine, so nominate them instead.

You don't think they could find someone as effecrive (ha) as MTG but who does not hang out with White Supremacists?

In order to nominate them, they have to want to run in the first place. Republicans don't win many primaries now days if they don't cater to the extremists.

Gulliver Foyle · 11th February 2023, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Ahhell doesn't seem to understand that Democrats disagree with each other quite often but don't call each other racist over any disagreement. Democrats will call out other Democrats for racist rhetoric, and have.

Heck, Omar was called out for anti-semitism by other Democrats, even though I disagree that what she's said was racist.

It wasn't even anti-semitic, unless you're a far-right Israeli commentator. But then again any thime Israel does something evil*, there's plenty of people around to shout "but the holocaust!" as if it was a licence to do evil.

*Which, lets be honest, is a daily occurrence at this stage.

pgwenthold · 11th February 2023, 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

In order to nominate them, they have to want to run in the first place. Republicans don't win many primaries now days if they don't cater to the extremists.

So you gotta be racist to get the republican nomination. Got it.

You keep saying "not all Republicans are racist" which is trivially true (it only takes one non-racist) and completely pointless. It's not all racists, but you have to be racist to represent them.

JoeMorgue · 11th February 2023, 06:22 AM

It doesn't matter. The Republican masses have been told by the Republican leaders that "Oh the Democrats just call everyone racists!" is the response they are to parrot everytime anyone rightfully identifies the fact that to be a Republican you at least have to be okay with racism (and being a racist certainly help) and that's as far as it will go.

They will not elaborate further because they literally can't. They don't actually have an argument, they just have a trigger phrase they've been conditioned to repeat.

That's why this discussion is 4-5 explaining with actual arguments and discussion and clarifications and expansions on what they mean and one agent just going "I don't understand. I've already pressed the 'Democrats call everyone racist' button. I don't know what else to do. I'll press it again. Do I need to press it harder?"

johnny karate · 11th February 2023, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

I like the claim that a) not all Republicans are racist, and b) the democrats are forcing Republicans to vote for racists.

Because, why are racist Republicans even getting nominated? If there are all these non-racist Republicans out there, how are the racist ones winning primaries and getting party nominations? Either the republican voters want to elect racists, or they don't have the option not to.

Don't give us this "the democrats are so bad that we have no option but to vote for racists" nonsense. If you didn't want racists to be elected, you don't have to nominate them. There are plenty of non-racist Republicans that could be running for office, aren't there? Aren't there? Or are there?

Exactly. It’s the same argument they used about Trump. They bleated “You made us vote for him because Hillary was so bad!” while ignoring the fact that Trump beat something like a dozen other Republican candidates during the primaries.

johnny karate · 11th February 2023, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Do you think ALL the millions of Republicans racist? Really? The GOP has a fiscal and small government philosophy that appeals to many people that has nothing to do with racism.

Because people have a tendency to vote for their party candidates and overlook what they don't like.

When someone disagrees with the Democrat candidate overwhelmingly on the issues, are you so naive that you think they won't vote for the alternative with whom they do agree on the majority of issues and overlook what they don't like?

I'll say it again: not all Republicans are racist but racists tend to be Republicans.

I was more sympathetic to this argument prior to 2016. Not so much now. If you vote Republican now, you are either a) comfortable with racism (among other undesirable things) or b) willfully ignorant.

My advice to the willfully ignorant who don’t want to be labeled as racists (or anti-vaxxers or conspiracy theorists) is to pull your head out of your ass.

Stacyhs · 11th February 2023, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

So you gotta be racist to get the republican nomination. Got it.

You keep saying "not all Republicans are racist" which is trivially true (it only takes one non-racist) and completely pointless. It's not all racists, but you have to be racist to represent them.

Fine. You go ahead and believe EVERY Republican is racist if it makes you feel better. It pairs well with EVERY Democrat is a socialist-communist.

TheGoldcountry · 11th February 2023, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Fine. You go ahead and believe EVERY Republican is racist if it makes you feel better. It pairs well with EVERY Democrat is a socialist-communist.

You don't have to be racist to be a Republican. But I think it's been shown pretty clearly that you have to be willing to support racist people and policies, and turn a blind eye to blatant racism in your ranks, if you want to survive.

When you can no longer tell the difference between racism and a very good impersonation of being a racist, does it really matter?

The comparison to "Every democrat is a Communist-Socialist" is a bit of a stretch, considering that any public policy left of aggressive laissez-faire capitalism is regarded as communism by some Republicans. It's also pretty laughable when you compare U.S. Democrats to actual Socialists around the world. A consistent definition of socialism from Republicans, and a demand to show how it applies to public policy specifically would also be nice, though it will never happen. They'll move on to the next irrational fear by that time.

Republicans call Democrats commies because it's a convenient boogeyman that's never gone out of style. Yet somehow, when Democrats point out actual racism, it's just partisan fear-mongering and name-calling.

Republicans are like toddlers who are angry that they got caught stealing cookies. Yes, they really were stealing cookies, but mommy was mean when she scolded them, and that's what's important.

Stacyhs · 11th February 2023, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

I like the claim that a) not all Republicans are racist, and b) the democrats are forcing Republicans to vote for racists.

Because, why are racist Republicans even getting nominated? If there are all these non-racist Republicans out there, how are the racist ones winning primaries and getting party nominations? Either the republican voters want to elect racists, or they don't have the option not to.

Don't give us this "the democrats are so bad that we have no option but to vote for racists" nonsense. If you didn't want racists to be elected, you don't have to nominate them. There are plenty of non-racist Republicans that could be running for office, aren't there? Aren't there? Or are there?

Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry

You don't have to be racist to be a Republican. But I think it's been shown pretty clearly that you have to be willing to support racist people and policies, and turn a blind eye to blatant racism in your ranks, if you want to survive.

When you can no longer tell the difference between racism and a very good impersonation of being a racist, does it really matter?

The comparison to "Every democrat is a Communist-Socialist" is a bit of a stretch, considering that any public policy left of aggressive laissez-faire capitalism is regarded as communism by some Republicans. It's also pretty laughable when you compare U.S. Democrats to actual Socialists around the world. A consistent definition of socialism from Republicans, and a demand to show how it applies to public policy specifically would also be nice, though it will never happen. They'll move on to the next irrational fear by that time.

Republicans call Democrats commies because it's a convenient boogeyman that's never gone out of style. Yet somehow, when Democrats point out actual racism, it's just partisan fear-mongering and name-calling.

Republicans are like toddlers who are angry that they got caught stealing cookies. Yes, they really were stealing cookies, but mommy was mean when she scolded them, and that's what's important.

When I compared "ALL Republicans are racists" to "Every democrat is a Communist-Socialist" it was sarcasm meant to highlight how claiming the former is just as lazy and absurd as the latter.

Pgwenthold's claim was that ALL Republicans are racists. That is just blatantly absurd and that is what I'm disagreeing with. For some members, this is seen to be some kind of defense of racism and Republicans. It's not. All these 'arguments' about primaries, etc. are just attempts to justify making that ludicrous claim.

I'm done.

uke2se · 11th February 2023, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

When I compared "ALL Republicans are racists" to "Every democrat is a Communist-Socialist" it was sarcasm meant to highlight how claiming the former is just as lazy and absurd as the latter.

Pgwenthold's claim was that ALL Republicans are racists. That is just blatantly absurd and that is what I'm disagreeing with. For some members, this is seen to be some kind of defense of racism and Republicans. It's not. All these 'arguments' about primaries, etc. are just attempts to justify making that ludicrous claim.

I'm done.

That wasn't his claim. You quoted his post, and it's fairly straight forward.

He was challenging the GOP apologists as to why, if there are non-racist Republicans, they don't get elected.

Personally, I believe the answer is a combination of racism not being an automatic turn-off for any Republican voters, and that the fascist wing of the party is firmly in charge.

Stacyhs · 11th February 2023, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

I like the claim that a) not all Republicans are racist, and b) the democrats are forcing Republicans to vote for racists.

Because, why are racist Republicans even getting nominated? If there are all these non-racist Republicans out there, how are the racist ones winning primaries and getting party nominations? Either the republican voters want to elect racists, or they don't have the option not to.

Don't give us this "the democrats are so bad that we have no option but to vote for racists" nonsense. If you didn't want racists to be elected, you don't have to nominate them. There are plenty of non-racist Republicans that could be running for office, aren't there? Aren't there? Or are there?

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

So you gotta be racist to get the republican nomination. Got it.

You keep saying "not all Republicans are racist" which is trivially true (it only takes one non-racist) and completely pointless. It's not all racists, but you have to be racist to represent them.

Originally Posted by uke2se

That wasn't his claim. You quoted his post, and it's fairly straight forward.

He was challenging the GOP apologists as to why, if there are non-racist Republicans, they don't get elected.

Personally, I believe the answer is a combination of racism not being an automatic turn-off for any Republican voters, and that the fascist wing of the party is firmly in charge.

Exactly. You just contradicted yourself and proved he does mean ALL Republicans are racist.
If there are non-racist Republicans then they should be getting elected but they're not. Therefore, there are no non-racist Republicans which equals ALL Republicans are racist. So that IS what he said.

The only reason I responded to your post is not to continue the topic of whether or not all Republicans are racist but because of your claim that is not what Pgwenthold actually said. And this is my last post on that subject.

Now, that is my last word on this subject.

JoeMorgue · 11th February 2023, 03:22 PM

*Holding up the hair between 'Racist' and 'Has no problem with Racists' trying to figure out exactly why anyone sees the need to split it.*

uke2se · 11th February 2023, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Exactly. You just contradicted yourself and proved he does mean ALL Republicans are racist.
If there are non-racist Republicans then they should be getting elected but they're not. Therefore, there are no non-racist Republicans which equals ALL Republicans are racist. So that IS what he said.

The only reason I responded to your post is not to continue the topic of whether or not all Republicans are racist but because of your claim that is not what Pgwenthold actually said. And this is my last post on that subject.

Now, that is my last word on this subject.

I'm sorry to continue to harp on this, but it's not what he said. He posed a reasonable challenge that I would also like to see met. Without the assumption that all Republicans are racists, what is the reason that a Republican politician need to be racist to be elected? That's not saying all Republicans are racist. It's saying that to get elected in this political climate, a Republican politician needs to - at the very least - not be anti-racist, and preferably play footsie with racists or even outright say bigoted things. Do you disagree that this is the Republican politicians that are getting elected nowadays?

Sure, we can split the hair and assert that certain Republican politicians in certain districts don't have to be overtly racist, but rather needs to have an 'R' next to their name. However, it would seem that in any race that is competitive in the Republican primary, it's mainly the racist that gets chosen to stand in the general.

If we are to assume that Republicans aren't racist, how do you explain this?

thaiboxerken · 11th February 2023, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Fine. You go ahead and believe EVERY Republican is racist if it makes you feel better. It pairs well with EVERY Democrat is a socialist-communist.

Not all Republicans are racist. Just enough that the non-racist Republicans aren't represented in their elections.

Stacyhs · 11th February 2023, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Exactly. You just contradicted yourself and proved he does mean ALL Republicans are racist.
If there are non-racist Republicans then they should be getting elected but they're not. Therefore, there are no non-racist Republicans which equals ALL Republicans are racist. So that IS what he said.

The only reason I responded to your post is not to continue the topic of whether or not all Republicans are racist but because of your claim that is not what Pgwenthold actually said. And this is my last post on that subject.

Now, that is my last word on this subject.

Originally Posted by uke2se

I'm sorry to continue to harp on this, but it's not what he said. He posed a reasonable challenge that I would also like to see met. Without the assumption that all Republicans are racists, what is the reason that a Republican politician need to be racist to be elected? That's not saying all Republicans are racist. It's saying that to get elected in this political climate, a Republican politician needs to - at the very least - not be anti-racist, and preferably play footsie with racists or even outright say bigoted things. Do you disagree that this is the Republican politicians that are getting elected nowadays?

Sure, we can split the hair and assert that certain Republican politicians in certain districts don't have to be overtly racist, but rather needs to have an 'R' next to their name. However, it would seem that in any race that is competitive in the Republican primary, it's mainly the racist that gets chosen to stand in the general.

If we are to assume that Republicans aren't racist, how do you explain this?

I'm sorry. Was the highlighted in my post not clear?

pgwenthold · 11th February 2023, 07:27 PM

I like the part where Stacey literally quoted me saying that the claim "not all Republicans are racist" is trivially true and then uses that to claim i am saying all Republicans are racist.

As I said, while "not all Republicans are racist" is trivially true, it's also pointless.

Sure there are non-racist Republicans, but obviously their views don't mean much because racists keep getting elected.

GraculusTheGreenBird · 11th February 2023, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

In order to nominate them, they have to want to run in the first place. Republicans don't win many primaries now days if they don't cater to the extremists.

Why would they have to cater to the extremists in the first place, if the majority of Republicans are not extremists?

Couldn't they just cater to the non-extremists, and therefore the majority of Republicans?

Skeptic Ginger · 12th February 2023, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

I don't know if any of you have ever heard of Noel Casler. He worked on the set of The Apprentice for six years. He has violated his NDA by telling what he saw and heard.

Casler said Trump regularly used the n-word. He was particularly cruel and demeaning to Puerto Rican members of the crew.

He also said Trump regularly snorted ground up Adderall. This was confirmed by Tom Arnold.

More comments by Casler here:
https://www.audacy.com/podcasts/the-...rump-276441876

Yeah well, he talked so much about Trump ******** in his diaper and how everyone knew it because they could hear the ******** and farting .... I did not find Casler the least bit credible.

I heard Casler say this nonsense himself though it's was a few years ago so I don't have a handy link.

Gulliver Foyle · 12th February 2023, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Fine. You go ahead and believe EVERY Republican is racist if it makes you feel better. It pairs well with EVERY Democrat is a socialist-communist.

You don't have to be racist, you just have to be ok with racism. And that's an effect of the party as an institution and most of its senior members being virulently racist.

Lurch · 12th February 2023, 04:50 AM

At war against the woke. It just means at war against education, empathy, thinking. Stunted, backward, hateful deplorables.

In the recent histories of Germany, China, Russia, Cambodia, when the crude masses were mobilized against the intelligentsia, horrors ensued. Beware, America. Your already established strain of anti-intellectualism is being harnessed to increasing effect. A dark road lies ahead.

uke2se · 12th February 2023, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I'm sorry. Was the highlighted in my post not clear?

It was, but you don't get to decide when I stop posting about a subject.

johnny karate · 12th February 2023, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

*Holding up the hair between 'Racist' and 'Has no problem with Racists' trying to figure out exactly why anyone sees the need to split it.*

If there’s one thing I’ve learned from American politics in the last 6-7 years it’s that tender conservative feelings are our most precious resource, and must be protected at all costs.

JoeMorgue · 12th February 2023, 08:36 AM

The "**** your feelings snowflake" crowd turned out to be HUGE snowflakes.

It would be ironic if irony as a concept hadn't been taken out back and shot a long time ago.

Max_mang · 12th February 2023, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

I like the part where Stacey literally quoted me saying that the claim "not all Republicans are racist" is trivially true and then uses that to claim i am saying all Republicans are racist.

That's the "proudly wrong" part in action.

Foster Zygote · 12th February 2023, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

I don't know if any of you have ever heard of Noel Casler. He worked on the set of The Apprentice for six years. He has violated his NDA by telling what he saw and heard.

Casler said Trump regularly used the n-word. He was particularly cruel and demeaning to Puerto Rican members of the crew.

He also said Trump regularly snorted ground up Adderall. This was confirmed by Tom Arnold.

More comments by Casler here:
https://www.audacy.com/podcasts/the-...rump-276441876

Didn't Penn Jillette also say he'd heard Trump use the N-word several times?

Stacyhs · 12th February 2023, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by uke2se

It was, but you don't get to decide when I stop posting about a subject.

Post all you want on the subject but you asked me TWO QUESTIONS in that post. People don't usually ask someone questions if they don't expect a response.

ZiprHead · 12th February 2023, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Didn't Penn Jillette also say he'd heard Trump use the N-word several times?

Yup.

Penn Jillette says he knows Trump tapes exist, because 'I was in the room'

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Comedian/magician and former "Celebrity Apprentice" contestant Penn Jillette has just pulled a surprising rabbit out of his hat and inserted himself in the did-Donald-Trump-speak-slurs on-"The Apprentice"? controversy roiling Washington again.

Yes, he says, there are tapes from the reality series in which Trump, its host, is heard making racially or sexually inappropriate remarks. And he knows this because, he says, "I was in the room" at the time.

10th February 2023, 02:49 PM	#121
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 43,036	I have a weird POV on that. I've, over time, come to the conclusion that electing a black President didn't break the racists. A black President serving two terms and never once really screwing up bad or having a major scandal did. When you're reduced to complaining that that "that gosh durn colored boy is da White House is wearing a Tan Suit!" and trying to pretend like anyone cares, you're scrapping the bottom of the barrel. The racists and the racist-adjacenents were (relatively) fine with Obama as long as they could maintain the illusion that his big screw up could happen "any day now." But when that NEVER happened, that's when they snapped. And yeah I'm serious in an odd way. I think if Obama had had just one big term defining muck up, Trump MIGHT not have happened. And I think there's a fair chance that a Trump-like person could have risen up in the late 90s if the Lewinsky Scandal hadn't happened to Clinton.
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10th February 2023, 04:22 PM	#124
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10th February 2023, 06:04 PM	#126
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 32,505	Originally Posted by slyjoe What's the opposite of "woke"? I haven't heard a good rejoinder yet - "You think I'm woke well I think you are ...". Asleep? Dead? Zombified? Bigot is the opposite of "woke".
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10th February 2023, 06:12 PM	#127
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 32,505	I'm not sure that you're going to trick the people in the forum into thinking that the Republican party doesn't cater to racism and racists. There is a mountain of evidence against you.
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10th February 2023, 06:14 PM	#128
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 43,036	Republican Party: "Says the quiet part out loud." Democratic Party: "You just said the quiet part out loud." Republican Party: "INSULTS! SLANDER! NOW WE SEE WHO IS THE REAL VILLAIN OF THIS PIECE!" We haven't accused the Republicans of anything they haven't bragged about on National TV.
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10th February 2023, 03:03 PM	#122
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	Originally Posted by ahhell No, my argument is that progressive call everyone who disagrees with them racists and takes voting against them as racist. There is literally no evidence that they will accept that somebody or something isn't racist. It has been that way for at least 40 years. Your argument fails right off the bat as it is based on a false premise. Quote: If a republican did or said something that could be construed as racist 40 years ago, he's a racist. If a dem wore black face in college, no problem. Really? Can you give me an example of a Dem who wore black face in college..or at any time... and the progressives who said "no problem"? Quote: Its a lie when progressives say, stop being racist and I'll stop calling you racist. So you're saying that when someone is being racist, we shouldn't call them racist? Quote: It actually doesn't matter what conservatives and republicans do, being conservative or a republican is evidence of guilt. Well, now...that's quite the claim. Did you find that in the Encyclopedia of Hyperbole under "Victimization"? .

10th February 2023, 03:52 PM	#123
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,090	Originally Posted by ahhell No, my argument is that progressive call everyone who disagrees with them racists and takes voting against them as racist. There is literally no evidence that they will accept that somebody or something isn't racist. It has been that way for at least 40 years. If a republican did or said something that could be construed as racist 40 years ago, he's a racist. If a dem wore black face in college, no problem. Its a lie when progressives say, stop being racist and I'll stop calling you racist. It actually doesn't matter what conservatives and republicans do, being conservative or a republican is evidence of guilt. And I'm not talking about fairness, I'm talking about practical reality. If you want to convince people of something just calling them names no matter how true won't do it, especially when those names are equally valid in all cases. Again, look at this thread. I say progressive call all republicans racist with equal vitiriol regardless of the evidence or degree and response is, well the Bushes precided over racist policies. Ok, polices that weren't precided over by Clinton? And so they're just as bad as Trump? Progressives in this thread are bascially doing the opposite of the principal of charity. Your case study for how “progressive call everyone who disagrees with them racists” is the Republican Party. We’ve already established that the Republican Party in its current form is, at the very least, welcoming to racists. So it seems that anyone calling them racist actually has a pretty good point. Do you have a better example? Because this one seems to undermine your claim.

10th February 2023, 05:27 PM	#125
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	While addressing his audience at a rally in 2016, Trump pointed to a black supporter in the audience and said "Oh look at my African-American over here." Needing to point out an A-American is present was only necessary because his rallies were a sea of lily-white faces. It's no coincidence that the handful of Black people who did attend his rallies were placed directly behind Trump for the cameras to show. "My" African-American? Hmmmm. Do I really need to point out what's wrong with that? Sen. Tommy Tuberville referring to Dems: Quote: "They want crime. They want crime, because they want to take over what you got. They want to control what you have. They want reparation because they think the people that do the crime are owed that. Bulls---. They are not owed that." Nah, that's not racist. Not at all. But then again, Tuberville is about as bright as a 4 watt night light.

10th February 2023, 06:16 PM	#129
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 32,505	Originally Posted by johnny karate Your case study for how “progressive call everyone who disagrees with them racists” is the Republican Party. We’ve already established that the Republican Party in its current form is, at the very least, welcoming to racists. So it seems that anyone calling them racist actually has a pretty good point. Do you have a better example? Because this one seems to undermine your claim. Ahhell doesn't seem to understand that Democrats disagree with each other quite often but don't call each other racist over any disagreement. Democrats will call out other Democrats for racist rhetoric, and have. Heck, Omar was called out for anti-semitism by other Democrats, even though I disagree that what she's said was racist.
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10th February 2023, 06:24 PM	#130
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Ahhell doesn't seem to understand that Democrats disagree with each other quite often but don't call each other racist over any disagreement. Democrats will call out other Democrats for racist rhetoric, and have. Heck, Omar was called out for anti-semitism by other Democrats, even though I disagree that what she's said was racist. That is a fundamental difference between Dems and Repubs. Dems tend to speak out against improper behavior/remarks from other Dems while Repubs circle the wagon (Never speak ill of another Republican). This is both a strength and a weakness.

10th February 2023, 07:23 PM	#131
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 21,035	I like the claim that a) not all Republicans are racist, and b) the democrats are forcing Republicans to vote for racists. Because, why are racist Republicans even getting nominated? If there are all these non-racist Republicans out there, how are the racist ones winning primaries and getting party nominations? Either the republican voters want to elect racists, or they don't have the option not to. Don't give us this "the democrats are so bad that we have no option but to vote for racists" nonsense. If you didn't want racists to be elected, you don't have to nominate them. There are plenty of non-racist Republicans that could be running for office, aren't there? Aren't there? Or are there?
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10th February 2023, 07:46 PM	#132
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	Originally Posted by pgwenthold I like the claim that a) not all Republicans are racist, and b) the democrats are forcing Republicans to vote for racists. Do you think ALL the millions of Republicans racist? Really? The GOP has a fiscal and small government philosophy that appeals to many people that has nothing to do with racism. Quote: Because, why are racist Republicans even getting nominated? If there are all these non-racist Republicans out there, how are the racist ones winning primaries and getting party nominations? Either the republican voters want to elect racists, or they don't have the option not to. Because people have a tendency to vote for their party candidates and overlook what they don't like. Quote: Don't give us this "the democrats are so bad that we have no option but to vote for racists" nonsense. If you didn't want racists to be elected, you don't have to nominate them. There are plenty of non-racist Republicans that could be running for office, aren't there? Aren't there? Or are there? When someone disagrees with the Democrat candidate overwhelmingly on the issues, are you so naive that you think they won't vote for the alternative with whom they do agree on the majority of issues and overlook what they don't like? I'll say it again: not all Republicans are racist but racists tend to be Republicans.

10th February 2023, 07:58 PM	#133
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 21,035	Originally Posted by Stacyhs When someone disagrees with the Democrat candidate overwhelmingly on the issues, are you so naive that you think they won't vote for the alternative with whom they do agree on the majority of issues and overlook what they don't like? . That would make sense if the only elections were Republicans vs democrats. But republican primaries are republican vs republican, and still the racists win. If Republicans didn't want racists for their representatives it should be very easy to not nominate them. Unless, as I said, they support racists or they don't have an option. They claim there are plenty of non-racist Republicans out there. Fine, so nominate them instead. You don't think they could find someone as effecrive (ha) as MTG but who does not hang out with White Supremacists?
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11th February 2023, 12:05 AM	#134
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	Originally Posted by pgwenthold That would make sense if the only elections were Republicans vs democrats. But republican primaries are republican vs republican, and still the racists win. If Republicans didn't want racists for their representatives it should be very easy to not nominate them. Unless, as I said, they support racists or they don't have an option. They claim there are plenty of non-racist Republicans out there. Fine, so nominate them instead. You don't think they could find someone as effecrive (ha) as MTG but who does not hang out with White Supremacists? In order to nominate them, they have to want to run in the first place. Republicans don't win many primaries now days if they don't cater to the extremists.

11th February 2023, 01:24 AM	#135
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,295	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Ahhell doesn't seem to understand that Democrats disagree with each other quite often but don't call each other racist over any disagreement. Democrats will call out other Democrats for racist rhetoric, and have. Heck, Omar was called out for anti-semitism by other Democrats, even though I disagree that what she's said was racist. It wasn't even anti-semitic, unless you're a far-right Israeli commentator. But then again any thime Israel does something evil, there's plenty of people around to shout "but the holocaust!" as if it was a licence to do evil. Which, lets be honest, is a daily occurrence at this stage.

11th February 2023, 05:06 AM	#136
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 21,035	Originally Posted by Stacyhs In order to nominate them, they have to want to run in the first place. Republicans don't win many primaries now days if they don't cater to the extremists. So you gotta be racist to get the republican nomination. Got it. You keep saying "not all Republicans are racist" which is trivially true (it only takes one non-racist) and completely pointless. It's not all racists, but you have to be racist to represent them.
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11th February 2023, 06:22 AM	#137
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 43,036	It doesn't matter. The Republican masses have been told by the Republican leaders that "Oh the Democrats just call everyone racists!" is the response they are to parrot everytime anyone rightfully identifies the fact that to be a Republican you at least have to be okay with racism (and being a racist certainly help) and that's as far as it will go. They will not elaborate further because they literally can't. They don't actually have an argument, they just have a trigger phrase they've been conditioned to repeat. That's why this discussion is 4-5 explaining with actual arguments and discussion and clarifications and expansions on what they mean and one agent just going "I don't understand. I've already pressed the 'Democrats call everyone racist' button. I don't know what else to do. I'll press it again. Do I need to press it harder?"
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11th February 2023, 09:15 AM	#138
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,090	Originally Posted by pgwenthold I like the claim that a) not all Republicans are racist, and b) the democrats are forcing Republicans to vote for racists. Because, why are racist Republicans even getting nominated? If there are all these non-racist Republicans out there, how are the racist ones winning primaries and getting party nominations? Either the republican voters want to elect racists, or they don't have the option not to. Don't give us this "the democrats are so bad that we have no option but to vote for racists" nonsense. If you didn't want racists to be elected, you don't have to nominate them. There are plenty of non-racist Republicans that could be running for office, aren't there? Aren't there? Or are there? Exactly. It’s the same argument they used about Trump. They bleated “You made us vote for him because Hillary was so bad!” while ignoring the fact that Trump beat something like a dozen other Republican candidates during the primaries.

11th February 2023, 09:45 AM	#139
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,090	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Do you think ALL the millions of Republicans racist? Really? The GOP has a fiscal and small government philosophy that appeals to many people that has nothing to do with racism. Because people have a tendency to vote for their party candidates and overlook what they don't like. When someone disagrees with the Democrat candidate overwhelmingly on the issues, are you so naive that you think they won't vote for the alternative with whom they do agree on the majority of issues and overlook what they don't like? I'll say it again: not all Republicans are racist but racists tend to be Republicans. I was more sympathetic to this argument prior to 2016. Not so much now. If you vote Republican now, you are either a) comfortable with racism (among other undesirable things) or b) willfully ignorant. My advice to the willfully ignorant who don’t want to be labeled as racists (or anti-vaxxers or conspiracy theorists) is to pull your head out of your ass.

11th February 2023, 12:24 PM	#140
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	Originally Posted by pgwenthold So you gotta be racist to get the republican nomination. Got it. You keep saying "not all Republicans are racist" which is trivially true (it only takes one non-racist) and completely pointless. It's not all racists, but you have to be racist to represent them. Fine. You go ahead and believe EVERY Republican is racist if it makes you feel better. It pairs well with EVERY Democrat is a socialist-communist.

11th February 2023, 12:34 PM	#141
TheGoldcountry Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 7,548	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Fine. You go ahead and believe EVERY Republican is racist if it makes you feel better. It pairs well with EVERY Democrat is a socialist-communist. You don't have to be racist to be a Republican. But I think it's been shown pretty clearly that you have to be willing to support racist people and policies, and turn a blind eye to blatant racism in your ranks, if you want to survive. When you can no longer tell the difference between racism and a very good impersonation of being a racist, does it really matter? The comparison to "Every democrat is a Communist-Socialist" is a bit of a stretch, considering that any public policy left of aggressive laissez-faire capitalism is regarded as communism by some Republicans. It's also pretty laughable when you compare U.S. Democrats to actual Socialists around the world. A consistent definition of socialism from Republicans, and a demand to show how it applies to public policy specifically would also be nice, though it will never happen. They'll move on to the next irrational fear by that time. Republicans call Democrats commies because it's a convenient boogeyman that's never gone out of style. Yet somehow, when Democrats point out actual racism, it's just partisan fear-mongering and name-calling. Republicans are like toddlers who are angry that they got caught stealing cookies. Yes, they really were stealing cookies, but mommy was mean when she scolded them, and that's what's important.
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11th February 2023, 01:03 PM	#142
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	Originally Posted by pgwenthold I like the claim that a) not all Republicans are racist, and b) the democrats are forcing Republicans to vote for racists. Because, why are racist Republicans even getting nominated? If there are all these non-racist Republicans out there, how are the racist ones winning primaries and getting party nominations? Either the republican voters want to elect racists, or they don't have the option not to. Don't give us this "the democrats are so bad that we have no option but to vote for racists" nonsense. If you didn't want racists to be elected, you don't have to nominate them. There are plenty of non-racist Republicans that could be running for office, aren't there? Aren't there? Or are there? Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry You don't have to be racist to be a Republican. But I think it's been shown pretty clearly that you have to be willing to support racist people and policies, and turn a blind eye to blatant racism in your ranks, if you want to survive. When you can no longer tell the difference between racism and a very good impersonation of being a racist, does it really matter? The comparison to "Every democrat is a Communist-Socialist" is a bit of a stretch, considering that any public policy left of aggressive laissez-faire capitalism is regarded as communism by some Republicans. It's also pretty laughable when you compare U.S. Democrats to actual Socialists around the world. A consistent definition of socialism from Republicans, and a demand to show how it applies to public policy specifically would also be nice, though it will never happen. They'll move on to the next irrational fear by that time. Republicans call Democrats commies because it's a convenient boogeyman that's never gone out of style. Yet somehow, when Democrats point out actual racism, it's just partisan fear-mongering and name-calling. Republicans are like toddlers who are angry that they got caught stealing cookies. Yes, they really were stealing cookies, but mommy was mean when she scolded them, and that's what's important. When I compared "ALL Republicans are racists" to "Every democrat is a Communist-Socialist" it was sarcasm meant to highlight how claiming the former is just as lazy and absurd as the latter. Pgwenthold's claim was that ALL Republicans are racists. That is just blatantly absurd and that is what I'm disagreeing with. For some members, this is seen to be some kind of defense of racism and Republicans. It's not. All these 'arguments' about primaries, etc. are just attempts to justify making that ludicrous claim. I'm done.

11th February 2023, 01:37 PM	#143
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 14,380	Originally Posted by Stacyhs When I compared "ALL Republicans are racists" to "Every democrat is a Communist-Socialist" it was sarcasm meant to highlight how claiming the former is just as lazy and absurd as the latter. Pgwenthold's claim was that ALL Republicans are racists. That is just blatantly absurd and that is what I'm disagreeing with. For some members, this is seen to be some kind of defense of racism and Republicans. It's not. All these 'arguments' about primaries, etc. are just attempts to justify making that ludicrous claim. I'm done. That wasn't his claim. You quoted his post, and it's fairly straight forward. He was challenging the GOP apologists as to why, if there are non-racist Republicans, they don't get elected. Personally, I believe the answer is a combination of racism not being an automatic turn-off for any Republican voters, and that the fascist wing of the party is firmly in charge.
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11th February 2023, 03:18 PM	#144
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	Originally Posted by pgwenthold I like the claim that a) not all Republicans are racist, and b) the democrats are forcing Republicans to vote for racists. Because, why are racist Republicans even getting nominated? If there are all these non-racist Republicans out there, how are the racist ones winning primaries and getting party nominations? Either the republican voters want to elect racists, or they don't have the option not to. Don't give us this "the democrats are so bad that we have no option but to vote for racists" nonsense. If you didn't want racists to be elected, you don't have to nominate them. There are plenty of non-racist Republicans that could be running for office, aren't there? Aren't there? Or are there? Originally Posted by pgwenthold So you gotta be racist to get the republican nomination. Got it. You keep saying "not all Republicans are racist" which is trivially true (it only takes one non-racist) and completely pointless. It's not all racists, but you have to be racist to represent them. Originally Posted by uke2se That wasn't his claim. You quoted his post, and it's fairly straight forward. He was challenging the GOP apologists as to why, if there are non-racist Republicans, they don't get elected. Personally, I believe the answer is a combination of racism not being an automatic turn-off for any Republican voters, and that the fascist wing of the party is firmly in charge. Exactly. You just contradicted yourself and proved he does mean ALL Republicans are racist. If there are non-racist Republicans then they should be getting elected but they're not. Therefore, there are no non-racist Republicans which equals ALL Republicans are racist. So that IS what he said. The only reason I responded to your post is not to continue the topic of whether or not all Republicans are racist but because of your claim that is not what Pgwenthold actually said. And this is my last post on that subject. Now, that is my last word on this subject.

11th February 2023, 03:22 PM	#145
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 43,036	Holding up the hair between 'Racist' and 'Has no problem with Racists' trying to figure out exactly why anyone sees the need to split it.
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11th February 2023, 03:28 PM	#146
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 14,380	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Exactly. You just contradicted yourself and proved he does mean ALL Republicans are racist. If there are non-racist Republicans then they should be getting elected but they're not. Therefore, there are no non-racist Republicans which equals ALL Republicans are racist. So that IS what he said. The only reason I responded to your post is not to continue the topic of whether or not all Republicans are racist but because of your claim that is not what Pgwenthold actually said. And this is my last post on that subject. Now, that is my last word on this subject. I'm sorry to continue to harp on this, but it's not what he said. He posed a reasonable challenge that I would also like to see met. Without the assumption that all Republicans are racists, what is the reason that a Republican politician need to be racist to be elected? That's not saying all Republicans are racist. It's saying that to get elected in this political climate, a Republican politician needs to - at the very least - not be anti-racist, and preferably play footsie with racists or even outright say bigoted things. Do you disagree that this is the Republican politicians that are getting elected nowadays? Sure, we can split the hair and assert that certain Republican politicians in certain districts don't have to be overtly racist, but rather needs to have an 'R' next to their name. However, it would seem that in any race that is competitive in the Republican primary, it's mainly the racist that gets chosen to stand in the general. If we are to assume that Republicans aren't racist, how do you explain this?
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11th February 2023, 04:32 PM	#147
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 32,505	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Fine. You go ahead and believe EVERY Republican is racist if it makes you feel better. It pairs well with EVERY Democrat is a socialist-communist. Not all Republicans are racist. Just enough that the non-racist Republicans aren't represented in their elections.
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11th February 2023, 06:10 PM	#148
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Exactly. You just contradicted yourself and proved he does mean ALL Republicans are racist. If there are non-racist Republicans then they should be getting elected but they're not. Therefore, there are no non-racist Republicans which equals ALL Republicans are racist. So that IS what he said. The only reason I responded to your post is not to continue the topic of whether or not all Republicans are racist but because of your claim that is not what Pgwenthold actually said. And this is my last post on that subject. Now, that is my last word on this subject. Originally Posted by uke2se I'm sorry to continue to harp on this, but it's not what he said. He posed a reasonable challenge that I would also like to see met. Without the assumption that all Republicans are racists, what is the reason that a Republican politician need to be racist to be elected? That's not saying all Republicans are racist. It's saying that to get elected in this political climate, a Republican politician needs to - at the very least - not be anti-racist, and preferably play footsie with racists or even outright say bigoted things. Do you disagree that this is the Republican politicians that are getting elected nowadays? Sure, we can split the hair and assert that certain Republican politicians in certain districts don't have to be overtly racist, but rather needs to have an 'R' next to their name. However, it would seem that in any race that is competitive in the Republican primary, it's mainly the racist that gets chosen to stand in the general. If we are to assume that Republicans aren't racist, how do you explain this? I'm sorry. Was the highlighted in my post not clear?

11th February 2023, 07:27 PM	#149
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 21,035	I like the part where Stacey literally quoted me saying that the claim "not all Republicans are racist" is trivially true and then uses that to claim i am saying all Republicans are racist. As I said, while "not all Republicans are racist" is trivially true, it's also pointless. Sure there are non-racist Republicans, but obviously their views don't mean much because racists keep getting elected.
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11th February 2023, 09:08 PM	#150
GraculusTheGreenBird Muse Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 565	Originally Posted by Stacyhs In order to nominate them, they have to want to run in the first place. Republicans don't win many primaries now days if they don't cater to the extremists. Why would they have to cater to the extremists in the first place, if the majority of Republicans are not extremists? Couldn't they just cater to the non-extremists, and therefore the majority of Republicans?

12th February 2023, 12:38 AM	#151
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 93,399	Originally Posted by ZiprHead I don't know if any of you have ever heard of Noel Casler. He worked on the set of The Apprentice for six years. He has violated his NDA by telling what he saw and heard. Casler said Trump regularly used the n-word. He was particularly cruel and demeaning to Puerto Rican members of the crew. He also said Trump regularly snorted ground up Adderall. This was confirmed by Tom Arnold. More comments by Casler here: https://www.audacy.com/podcasts/the-...rump-276441876 Yeah well, he talked so much about Trump ****** in his diaper and how everyone knew it because they could hear the ****** and farting .... I did not find Casler the least bit credible. I heard Casler say this nonsense himself though it's was a few years ago so I don't have a handy link.
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12th February 2023, 03:37 AM	#152
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,295	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Fine. You go ahead and believe EVERY Republican is racist if it makes you feel better. It pairs well with EVERY Democrat is a socialist-communist. You don't have to be racist, you just have to be ok with racism. And that's an effect of the party as an institution and most of its senior members being virulently racist.

12th February 2023, 04:50 AM	#153
Lurch Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,357	At war against the woke. It just means at war against education, empathy, thinking. Stunted, backward, hateful deplorables. In the recent histories of Germany, China, Russia, Cambodia, when the crude masses were mobilized against the intelligentsia, horrors ensued. Beware, America. Your already established strain of anti-intellectualism is being harnessed to increasing effect. A dark road lies ahead.

12th February 2023, 05:00 AM	#154
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 14,380	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I'm sorry. Was the highlighted in my post not clear? It was, but you don't get to decide when I stop posting about a subject.
	__________________ Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1

12th February 2023, 08:34 AM	#155
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,090	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Holding up the hair between 'Racist' and 'Has no problem with Racists' trying to figure out exactly why anyone sees the need to split it. If there’s one thing I’ve learned from American politics in the last 6-7 years it’s that tender conservative feelings are our most precious resource, and must be protected at all costs.