More Attempts by Conservatives to Control a Woman's Body

Stacyhs · 27th February 2023, 01:29 PM

Yet another ruling from a TX conservative federal judge is expected as early as today on the sale of mifepristone anywhere in the US. If he does, it's another win for the religious right to enforce their beliefs on every woman of child bearing years in the country.

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Federal judges in Texas have delivered time and again for abortion opponents.

They upheld a state law that allows for $10,000 bounties to be placed on anyone who helps a woman get an abortion; ruled that someone opposed to abortion based on religious beliefs can block a federal program from providing birth control to teens; and determined that emergency room doctors must equally weigh the life of a pregnant woman and her embryo or fetus.

Now abortion rights advocates — galvanized by the reversal of Roe v. Wade — are girding for another decision from a Texas courtroom that could force the FDA to remove a widely used abortion pill from pharmacies and physicians’ offices nationwide.

The wide-ranging lawsuit, brought by a conservative Christian legal group, argues that the FDA’s approval process more than two decades ago was flawed when it authorized the use of mifepristone, which stops the development of a pregnancy and is part of a two-drug regimen used in medication abortions.

“The FDA has one job, which is just to protect Americans from dangerous drugs,” said Denise Harle, senior counsel with the Alliance Defending Freedom, part of a conservative coalition that brought the suit in federal district court in Amarillo, Texas. “And we’re asking the court to remove that chemical drug regimen until and unless the FDA actually goes through the proper testing that it’s required to do.”

A decision in the case was expected as soon as Friday. If successful, the lawsuit would force federal officials to rescind mifepristone’s approval, and manufacturers would be unable to ship the drug anywhere in the United States, including to states like California, Massachusetts, Illinois, and New York where abortion remains legal.

Mifepristone has been used safely in France since 1987 and the US since 2000. It is listed as an "essential drug" by the World's Health Org., approved by the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists. Yet the lawsuit claims it's a 'dangerous drug' which is clearly untrue. These groups won't stop until they reduce a woman's value to primarily a baby making machine.

JoeMorgue · 27th February 2023, 01:38 PM

I mean they said they were going after abortion pills next. Then it will be birth control as a concept. They've openly admitted this is the plan.

Resume · 27th February 2023, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I mean they said they were going after abortion pills next. Then it will be birth control as a concept. They've openly admitted this is the plan.

They tell you what they mean to do: Believe them.

bruto · 27th February 2023, 02:12 PM

I don't know the entire grounds for the lawsuit, but my next question is, if a Texas judge can undo FDA approval of a drug for a perceived defect in the testing process, what stops them from going after MRNA vaccines next?

Segnosaur · 27th February 2023, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Yet another ruling from a TX conservative federal judge is expected as early as today on the sale of mifepristone anywhere in the US.

That must obviously be wrong.

After all, we have been told time and time again by the republicans that they want abortion to be a "states rights" issue. So going after an abortion-drug used nation wide would mean that they were lying about "states rights". And I seem to remember something in the bible about not lying.

Upchurch · 27th February 2023, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Yet another ruling from a TX conservative federal judge is expected as early as today on the sale of mifepristone anywhere in the US. If he does, it's another win for the religious right to enforce their beliefs on every woman of child bearing years in the country.

I was listening to this story on the radio. I believe there is a separate suit that would counter this ruling. I wasn't 100% clear on how they would battle it out between two different judges in two different jurisdictions, but the talking heads seemed to think it would head to the Supreme Court (which is not the best of news).

That being said, even if they outlaw mifepristone, I believe it is part of a two drug regiment. The other drug can be used without mifepristone, but my understanding is you wouldn't want to.

Stacyhs · 27th February 2023, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

I don't know the entire grounds for the lawsuit, but my next question is, if a Texas judge can undo FDA approval of a drug for a perceived defect in the testing process, what stops them from going after MRNA vaccines next?

Nothing.

Norman Alexander · 27th February 2023, 02:31 PM

Is the drug made anywhere but in the USA?

JoeMorgue · 27th February 2023, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Is the drug made anywhere but in the USA?

Details are little hard to come by with a quick Googling but I THINK that it is only produced in the US, both as name brand and generic.

The Pharmaceutical Industry is not the most transparent of organizations on a business level, so I a not presenting this as a solid stone cold fact however.

Stacyhs · 27th February 2023, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Is the drug made anywhere but in the USA?

China. Where else?

Stacyhs · 27th February 2023, 04:57 PM

Interesting: mifepristone is also used to treat Cushing's Disease under the name Korlym. This is an interesting article on how a pharmaceutical company profited off manufacturing it as Korlym and charged $550 per 300 mg pill and the same drug sold as mifepristone cost $80 per 200 mg pill.

If the judge rules for the wing-nuts, people with Cushing's won't be able to get it, either.

Norman Alexander · 27th February 2023, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

China. Where else?

LOL.

So order them from China by post. Or Canada, for that matter.

Crazy Chainsaw · 27th February 2023, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Interesting: mifepristone is also used to treat Cushing's Disease under the name Korlym. This is an interesting article on how a pharmaceutical company profited off manufacturing it as Korlym and charged $550 per 300 mg pill and the same drug sold as mifepristone cost $80 per 200 mg pill.

If the judge rules for the wing-nuts, people with Cushing's won't be able to get it, either.

The MAGA are going so far they are going too destroy themselves, and that will not be a bad thing at all.

Stacyhs · 28th February 2023, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

LOL.

So order them from China by post. Or Canada, for that matter.

You're missing the point: the religious nuts are trying to remove a drug that has been safely used for over 20 years here in their efforts to enforce their anti-choice views on the entire country.

If the drug can't be shipped within the US by US manufacturers, what makes you think Chinese or Canadian manufacturers would be allowed to ship it here?

The Don · 28th February 2023, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

You're missing the point: the religious nuts are trying to remove a drug that has been safely used for over 20 years here in their efforts to enforce their anti-choice views on the entire country.

The thing is that those so-called "religious nuts" enjoy the support of close to 50% of the electorate or perhaps more accurately close to 50% of the electorate are so tied to their choice of party that having so-called "religious nuts" passing legislation like this is a price they are willing to pay.

The same appears to be the case for "gun nuts". Despite a majority supporting increased regulation of guns, political orthodoxy demands that they vote for a party which has diametrically opposing views.

Norman Alexander · 28th February 2023, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

You're missing the point: the religious nuts are trying to remove a drug that has been safely used for over 20 years here in their efforts to enforce their anti-choice views on the entire country.

Oh but I did get that, from the off. Next on their list will be dihydrogen monoxide.

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If the drug can't be shipped within the US by US manufacturers, what makes you think Chinese or Canadian manufacturers would be allowed to ship it here?

Because it would be in whatever little paper bags that Canadian or Mexican pharmacies dispense them in, and it would be impossible to police the borders without shutting down every crossing entirely. Which would lead to a massive elicit trade in not just dangerous "blue meth" but also day-to-day medications like mifepristone.

The more useful medicines the religious nuts ban, the more the traffic across the border into neighbouring Canadian and Mexican cities would increase, going from from huge to a national industry. All that US money being exported needlessly, to pay for drugs that are manufactured in the USA but can't be sold there. And it is likely those "socialist" countries have negotiated cheaper drug prices with US manufacturers as well. They will get rich, the USA will get poorer. Win-win...I guess.

Lukraak_Sisser · 28th February 2023, 04:32 AM

I never get how women can vote for parties with policies like these.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a US only problem, here in the Netherlands there are women voting for religious parties the want to remove the vote for women, I just cannot understand how anyone can make that mental leap.

The Don · 28th February 2023, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

I never get how women can vote for parties with policies like these.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a US only problem, here in the Netherlands there are women voting for religious parties the want to remove the vote for women, I just cannot understand how anyone can make that mental leap.

I guess that there are a number of reasons.

Some women may feel so strongly about abortion, birth control and sex education that they will vote for any party that advocates against it. The majority of these women are, IMO, influenced by their religious beliefs
Some women simply vote for the party, regardless of that party's policies. In some cases it's ignorance, in some cases it's indifference, in some cases it's because they've been told to vote that way by their father/husband/preacher
Some women are underinformed and don't realise what a party's policies are and/or what the impact of those policies are

Darat · 28th February 2023, 05:49 AM

And a very real attitude (in all countries that I know off) is that the rules and restrictions are for "them" not "us".

Tero · 28th February 2023, 05:53 AM

Just what is the structure of the federal court system? At what point does a lower level get to rule on federal policy? Can Aileen Cannon do this?

Tero · 28th February 2023, 06:35 AM

wrong thread...moved text to virus topic

Segnosaur · 28th February 2023, 07:05 AM

Re: Why women would vote for a party with misogynous policies like the republicans...

Originally Posted by The Don

I guess that there are a number of reasons.

Some women may feel so strongly about abortion, birth control and sex education that they will vote for any party that advocates against it. The majority of these women are, IMO, influenced by their religious beliefs
Some women simply vote for the party, regardless of that party's policies. In some cases it's ignorance, in some cases it's indifference, in some cases it's because they've been told to vote that way by their father/husband/preacher
Some women are underinformed and don't realise what a party's policies are and/or what the impact of those policies are

And sort of related to the last point... they don't seem to grasp just how AT RISK certain rights are.

I am sure there were a few women who voted republican in 2016 thinking either "Abortion rights are guaranteed...Roe v. Wade is settled... no way it can be overturned... so I can vote for Trump and get all the racism I want while I don't have to worry about losing any personal freedom".

shemp · 28th February 2023, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw

The MAGA are going so far they are going too destroy themselves, and that will not be a bad thing at all.

Why should we think that? They already killed hundreds of thousands of people with their anti-vax and horse paste ********, and like the Energizer bunny, they're still going.

shemp · 28th February 2023, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

I guess that there are a number of reasons.

Some women may feel so strongly about abortion, birth control and sex education that they will vote for any party that advocates against it. The majority of these women are, IMO, influenced by their religious beliefs
Some women simply vote for the party, regardless of that party's policies. In some cases it's ignorance, in some cases it's indifference, in some cases it's because they've been told to vote that way by their father/husband/preacher
Some women are underinformed and don't realise what a party's policies are and/or what the impact of those policies are

And there are millions of women (and men too) who, for a number of stupid reasons, just plain don't vote.

Foster Zygote · 28th February 2023, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

You're missing the point: the religious nuts are trying to remove a drug that has been safely used for over 20 years here in their efforts to enforce their anti-choice views on the entire country.

If the drug can't be shipped within the US by US manufacturers, what makes you think Chinese or Canadian manufacturers would be allowed to ship it here?

I was just imagining small, fast boats crossing the Great Lakes at night, loaded with mifepristone, which may actually be an unsafe bootleg imitation, bound for basement rooms where women have to knock and say "Jane sent me".

Foster Zygote · 28th February 2023, 08:02 AM

I just watched a review of the Christian victimization porn movie 2025, in which, you guessed it, the evil "Communists" take over and outlaw Christianity. The projection is staggering.

Apathia · 28th February 2023, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

I just watched a review of the Christian victimization porn movie 2025, in which, you guessed it, the evil "Communists" take over and outlaw Christianity. The projection is staggering.

Saw that review. (The one by Emma Thorn, right?)
Yahwehists of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic-Bahai tradition have a persecution/martyr complex.
(Yes. I know. Not all.)

Some still fear the Catholics are going to take over the world. The Antichrist is supposed to be a religious figure.
So go figure. Maybe when it's all said and done: birth control banned in every state, Evangelicals will realize the oppressor they didn't expect.

You get a scarlet letter! You get a scarlet letter!

Foster Zygote · 28th February 2023, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Apathia

Saw that review. (The one by Emma Thorn, right?)

That's the one.

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Yahwehists of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic-Bahai tradition have a persecution/martyr complex.
(Yes. I know. Not all.)

I grew up seeing it first hand.

JoeMorgue · 28th February 2023, 10:30 AM

It's THE classic being wrong strategy.

"2+2=7."
"No it doesn't."
"OH SO I GUESS I JUST DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO THINK WHAT I WANT! I GUESS YOU'RE JUST GONNA ROUND EVERYONE UP WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH THEM AND THROW THEM INTO CAMPS!"

People it really is that simple. It is the #1 rule in discourse. Right people (or at least honestly wrong people) argue about why they are right. Wrong people argue about their right to be wrong.

Seriously start watching for that. It's eye opening.

The Great Zaganza · 28th February 2023, 11:30 AM

It's always: "you are not against the nonsense we say, you are against our right to exist".

Making rational discussion impossible is the key to the strategy.

TheGoldcountry · 28th February 2023, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

I was just imagining small, fast boats crossing the Great Lakes at night, loaded with mifepristone, which may actually be an unsafe bootleg imitation, bound for basement rooms where women have to knock and say "Jane sent me".

We're going to have a vast number of new "drug dealers" in Federal prison explaining to their new bunkmate that they're there for trafficking birth control.

I used to laugh at people who thought "The Handmaid's Tale" was going to happen in reality. Not anymore.

Stacyhs · 28th February 2023, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry

We're going to have a vast number of new "drug dealers" in Federal prison explaining to their new bunkmate that they're there for trafficking birth control.

I used to laugh at people who thought "The Handmaid's Tale" was going to happen in reality. Not anymore.

I watched the entire 4 seasons last month. I cannot say how many times I saw a direct correlation between Gilead and what the religious right so desperately wants to establish. It was scary.

Stacyhs · 28th February 2023, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

I just watched a review of the Christian victimization porn movie 2025, in which, you guessed it, the evil "Communists" take over and outlaw Christianity. The projection is staggering.

It's like the Puritans: We want religious freedom; but only for us.

Christians have a huge persecution complex firmly established in their psyches from the time when they were, indeed, persecuted either by pagan societies or "other" Christian factions. They see themselves as victims regardless of which form of Christianity they belong to, thus they crave dominance in order to secure their safety.

Gulliver Foyle · 1st March 2023, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

It's like the Puritans: We want religious freedom; but only for us.

Christians have a huge persecution complex firmly established in their psyches from the time when they were, indeed, persecuted either by pagan societies or "other" Christian factions. They see themselves as victims regardless of which form of Christianity they belong to, thus they crave dominance in order to secure their safety.

Persecution of christians was always exaggerated. For example, religious based persecution didn't become a thing in Rome until it became christia

Stacyhs · 1st March 2023, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Persecution of christians was always exaggerated. For example, religious based persecution didn't become a thing in Rome until it became christia

Catholics and Protestants persecuted each other worse.

Ladewig · 1st March 2023, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

I was just imagining small, fast boats crossing the Great Lakes at night, loaded with mifepristone, which may actually be an unsafe bootleg imitation, bound for basement rooms where women have to knock and say "Jane sent me".

Once we get to that point, it’s quite possible that the State will say “catching these murderers is so important, that we need to relax the Fourth Amendment. So rather than getting a judge to sign a phone tap warrant on everyone we need to listen to, we’ll just listen in on all the phone calls. We need to do that in order to protect the children.”

Over a year ago, Dan Savage told his readers and listeners to stock up on this drug because eventually it is going to be hard or impossible to get it.

Ladewig · 1st March 2023, 06:33 AM

Duplicate post.

Norman Alexander · 2nd March 2023, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

Once we get to that point, it’s quite possible that the State will say “catching these murderers is so important, that we need to relax the Fourth Amendment. So rather than getting a judge to sign a phone tap warrant on everyone we need to listen to, we’ll just listen in on all the phone calls. We need to do that in order to protect the children.

And while the cops listen in on the phones, the emails, WhatsApp and Signal traffic keep right on going unhindered.

Nosi · 4th March 2023, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I mean they said they were going after abortion pills next. Then it will be birth control as a concept. They've openly admitted this is the plan.

Their goal is to reduce any human being that is not cis, white, and male to slave status, with females used as forced breeding stock.

Nosi · 4th March 2023, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

I never get how women can vote for parties with policies like these.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a US only problem, here in the Netherlands there are women voting for religious parties the want to remove the vote for women, I just cannot understand how anyone can make that mental leap.

Americans are NOT voting for these

. Elections in the USA are FUBAR. There is no voting these wingnuts in, because the American vote doesn't matter.

27th February 2023, 01:38 PM	#2
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 43,036	I mean they said they were going after abortion pills next. Then it will be birth control as a concept. They've openly admitted this is the plan.
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27th February 2023, 02:00 PM	#3
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27th February 2023, 02:12 PM	#4
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 34,262	I don't know the entire grounds for the lawsuit, but my next question is, if a Texas judge can undo FDA approval of a drug for a perceived defect in the testing process, what stops them from going after MRNA vaccines next?
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27th February 2023, 02:18 PM	#5
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,682	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Yet another ruling from a TX conservative federal judge is expected as early as today on the sale of mifepristone anywhere in the US. That must obviously be wrong. After all, we have been told time and time again by the republicans that they want abortion to be a "states rights" issue. So going after an abortion-drug used nation wide would mean that they were lying about "states rights". And I seem to remember something in the bible about not lying.
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27th February 2023, 02:20 PM	#6
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33,602	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Yet another ruling from a TX conservative federal judge is expected as early as today on the sale of mifepristone anywhere in the US. If he does, it's another win for the religious right to enforce their beliefs on every woman of child bearing years in the country. I was listening to this story on the radio. I believe there is a separate suit that would counter this ruling. I wasn't 100% clear on how they would battle it out between two different judges in two different jurisdictions, but the talking heads seemed to think it would head to the Supreme Court (which is not the best of news). That being said, even if they outlaw mifepristone, I believe it is part of a two drug regiment. The other drug can be used without mifepristone, but my understanding is you wouldn't want to.
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27th February 2023, 01:29 PM	#1
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	More Attempts by Conservatives to Control a Woman's Body Yet another ruling from a TX conservative federal judge is expected as early as today on the sale of mifepristone anywhere in the US. If he does, it's another win for the religious right to enforce their beliefs on every woman of child bearing years in the country. Quote: Federal judges in Texas have delivered time and again for abortion opponents. They upheld a state law that allows for $10,000 bounties to be placed on anyone who helps a woman get an abortion; ruled that someone opposed to abortion based on religious beliefs can block a federal program from providing birth control to teens; and determined that emergency room doctors must equally weigh the life of a pregnant woman and her embryo or fetus. Now abortion rights advocates — galvanized by the reversal of Roe v. Wade — are girding for another decision from a Texas courtroom that could force the FDA to remove a widely used abortion pill from pharmacies and physicians’ offices nationwide. The wide-ranging lawsuit, brought by a conservative Christian legal group, argues that the FDA’s approval process more than two decades ago was flawed when it authorized the use of mifepristone, which stops the development of a pregnancy and is part of a two-drug regimen used in medication abortions. “The FDA has one job, which is just to protect Americans from dangerous drugs,” said Denise Harle, senior counsel with the Alliance Defending Freedom, part of a conservative coalition that brought the suit in federal district court in Amarillo, Texas. “And we’re asking the court to remove that chemical drug regimen until and unless the FDA actually goes through the proper testing that it’s required to do.” A decision in the case was expected as soon as Friday. If successful, the lawsuit would force federal officials to rescind mifepristone’s approval, and manufacturers would be unable to ship the drug anywhere in the United States, including to states like California, Massachusetts, Illinois, and New York where abortion remains legal. Mifepristone has been used safely in France since 1987 and the US since 2000. It is listed as an "essential drug" by the World's Health Org., approved by the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists. Yet the lawsuit claims it's a 'dangerous drug' which is clearly untrue. These groups won't stop until they reduce a woman's value to primarily a baby making machine.

27th February 2023, 02:28 PM	#7
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	Originally Posted by bruto I don't know the entire grounds for the lawsuit, but my next question is, if a Texas judge can undo FDA approval of a drug for a perceived defect in the testing process, what stops them from going after MRNA vaccines next? Nothing.

27th February 2023, 02:31 PM	#8
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27th February 2023, 02:34 PM	#9
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 43,036	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Is the drug made anywhere but in the USA? Details are little hard to come by with a quick Googling but I THINK that it is only produced in the US, both as name brand and generic. The Pharmaceutical Industry is not the most transparent of organizations on a business level, so I a not presenting this as a solid stone cold fact however.
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27th February 2023, 04:47 PM	#10
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Is the drug made anywhere but in the USA? China. Where else?

27th February 2023, 04:57 PM	#11
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	Interesting: mifepristone is also used to treat Cushing's Disease under the name Korlym. This is an interesting article on how a pharmaceutical company profited off manufacturing it as Korlym and charged $550 per 300 mg pill and the same drug sold as mifepristone cost $80 per 200 mg pill. If the judge rules for the wing-nuts, people with Cushing's won't be able to get it, either.

27th February 2023, 09:25 PM	#12
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,227	Originally Posted by Stacyhs China. Where else? LOL. So order them from China by post. Or Canada, for that matter.
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27th February 2023, 09:33 PM	#13
Crazy Chainsaw Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,280	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Interesting: mifepristone is also used to treat Cushing's Disease under the name Korlym. This is an interesting article on how a pharmaceutical company profited off manufacturing it as Korlym and charged $550 per 300 mg pill and the same drug sold as mifepristone cost $80 per 200 mg pill. If the judge rules for the wing-nuts, people with Cushing's won't be able to get it, either. The MAGA are going so far they are going too destroy themselves, and that will not be a bad thing at all.

28th February 2023, 12:22 AM	#14
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander LOL. So order them from China by post. Or Canada, for that matter. You're missing the point: the religious nuts are trying to remove a drug that has been safely used for over 20 years here in their efforts to enforce their anti-choice views on the entire country. If the drug can't be shipped within the US by US manufacturers, what makes you think Chinese or Canadian manufacturers would be allowed to ship it here?

28th February 2023, 01:53 AM	#15
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,371	Originally Posted by Stacyhs You're missing the point: the religious nuts are trying to remove a drug that has been safely used for over 20 years here in their efforts to enforce their anti-choice views on the entire country. The thing is that those so-called "religious nuts" enjoy the support of close to 50% of the electorate or perhaps more accurately close to 50% of the electorate are so tied to their choice of party that having so-called "religious nuts" passing legislation like this is a price they are willing to pay. The same appears to be the case for "gun nuts". Despite a majority supporting increased regulation of guns, political orthodoxy demands that they vote for a party which has diametrically opposing views.

28th February 2023, 02:23 AM	#16
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,227	Originally Posted by Stacyhs You're missing the point: the religious nuts are trying to remove a drug that has been safely used for over 20 years here in their efforts to enforce their anti-choice views on the entire country. Oh but I did get that, from the off. Next on their list will be dihydrogen monoxide. Quote: If the drug can't be shipped within the US by US manufacturers, what makes you think Chinese or Canadian manufacturers would be allowed to ship it here? Because it would be in whatever little paper bags that Canadian or Mexican pharmacies dispense them in, and it would be impossible to police the borders without shutting down every crossing entirely. Which would lead to a massive elicit trade in not just dangerous "blue meth" but also day-to-day medications like mifepristone. The more useful medicines the religious nuts ban, the more the traffic across the border into neighbouring Canadian and Mexican cities would increase, going from from huge to a national industry. All that US money being exported needlessly, to pay for drugs that are manufactured in the USA but can't be sold there. And it is likely those "socialist" countries have negotiated cheaper drug prices with US manufacturers as well. They will get rich, the USA will get poorer. Win-win...I guess.
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28th February 2023, 04:32 AM	#17
Lukraak_Sisser Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,883	I never get how women can vote for parties with policies like these. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a US only problem, here in the Netherlands there are women voting for religious parties the want to remove the vote for women, I just cannot understand how anyone can make that mental leap.

28th February 2023, 05:41 AM	#18
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,371	Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser I never get how women can vote for parties with policies like these. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a US only problem, here in the Netherlands there are women voting for religious parties the want to remove the vote for women, I just cannot understand how anyone can make that mental leap. I guess that there are a number of reasons. Some women may feel so strongly about abortion, birth control and sex education that they will vote for any party that advocates against it. The majority of these women are, IMO, influenced by their religious beliefs Some women simply vote for the party, regardless of that party's policies. In some cases it's ignorance, in some cases it's indifference, in some cases it's because they've been told to vote that way by their father/husband/preacher Some women are underinformed and don't realise what a party's policies are and/or what the impact of those policies are

28th February 2023, 05:49 AM	#19
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,117	And a very real attitude (in all countries that I know off) is that the rules and restrictions are for "them" not "us".
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28th February 2023, 05:53 AM	#20
Tero Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 3,006	Just what is the structure of the federal court system? At what point does a lower level get to rule on federal policy? Can Aileen Cannon do this?
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28th February 2023, 06:35 AM	#21
Tero Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 3,006	wrong thread...moved text to virus topic
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28th February 2023, 07:05 AM	#22
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,682	Re: Why women would vote for a party with misogynous policies like the republicans... Originally Posted by The Don I guess that there are a number of reasons. Some women may feel so strongly about abortion, birth control and sex education that they will vote for any party that advocates against it. The majority of these women are, IMO, influenced by their religious beliefs Some women simply vote for the party, regardless of that party's policies. In some cases it's ignorance, in some cases it's indifference, in some cases it's because they've been told to vote that way by their father/husband/preacher Some women are underinformed and don't realise what a party's policies are and/or what the impact of those policies are And sort of related to the last point... they don't seem to grasp just how AT RISK certain rights are. I am sure there were a few women who voted republican in 2016 thinking either "Abortion rights are guaranteed...Roe v. Wade is settled... no way it can be overturned... so I can vote for Trump and get all the racism I want while I don't have to worry about losing any personal freedom".
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28th February 2023, 07:11 AM	#23
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28th February 2023, 07:13 AM	#24
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 53,808	Originally Posted by The Don I guess that there are a number of reasons. Some women may feel so strongly about abortion, birth control and sex education that they will vote for any party that advocates against it. The majority of these women are, IMO, influenced by their religious beliefs Some women simply vote for the party, regardless of that party's policies. In some cases it's ignorance, in some cases it's indifference, in some cases it's because they've been told to vote that way by their father/husband/preacher Some women are underinformed and don't realise what a party's policies are and/or what the impact of those policies are And there are millions of women (and men too) who, for a number of stupid reasons, just plain don't vote.
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28th February 2023, 07:54 AM	#25
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 20,507	Originally Posted by Stacyhs You're missing the point: the religious nuts are trying to remove a drug that has been safely used for over 20 years here in their efforts to enforce their anti-choice views on the entire country. If the drug can't be shipped within the US by US manufacturers, what makes you think Chinese or Canadian manufacturers would be allowed to ship it here? I was just imagining small, fast boats crossing the Great Lakes at night, loaded with mifepristone, which may actually be an unsafe bootleg imitation, bound for basement rooms where women have to knock and say "Jane sent me".
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28th February 2023, 08:02 AM	#26
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 20,507	I just watched a review of the Christian victimization porn movie 2025, in which, you guessed it, the evil "Communists" take over and outlaw Christianity. The projection is staggering.
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28th February 2023, 10:05 AM	#27
Apathia Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 6,616	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote I just watched a review of the Christian victimization porn movie 2025, in which, you guessed it, the evil "Communists" take over and outlaw Christianity. The projection is staggering. Saw that review. (The one by Emma Thorn, right?) Yahwehists of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic-Bahai tradition have a persecution/martyr complex. (Yes. I know. Not all.) Some still fear the Catholics are going to take over the world. The Antichrist is supposed to be a religious figure. So go figure. Maybe when it's all said and done: birth control banned in every state, Evangelicals will realize the oppressor they didn't expect. You get a scarlet letter! You get a scarlet letter!
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28th February 2023, 10:19 AM	#28
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 20,507	Originally Posted by Apathia Saw that review. (The one by Emma Thorn, right?) That's the one. Quote: Yahwehists of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic-Bahai tradition have a persecution/martyr complex. (Yes. I know. Not all.) I grew up seeing it first hand.
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28th February 2023, 10:30 AM	#29
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 43,036	It's THE classic being wrong strategy. "2+2=7." "No it doesn't." "OH SO I GUESS I JUST DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO THINK WHAT I WANT! I GUESS YOU'RE JUST GONNA ROUND EVERYONE UP WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH THEM AND THROW THEM INTO CAMPS!" People it really is that simple. It is the #1 rule in discourse. Right people (or at least honestly wrong people) argue about why they are right. Wrong people argue about their right to be wrong. Seriously start watching for that. It's eye opening.
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28th February 2023, 11:30 AM	#30
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,546	It's always: "you are not against the nonsense we say, you are against our right to exist". Making rational discussion impossible is the key to the strategy.
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28th February 2023, 12:00 PM	#31
TheGoldcountry Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 7,548	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote I was just imagining small, fast boats crossing the Great Lakes at night, loaded with mifepristone, which may actually be an unsafe bootleg imitation, bound for basement rooms where women have to knock and say "Jane sent me". We're going to have a vast number of new "drug dealers" in Federal prison explaining to their new bunkmate that they're there for trafficking birth control. I used to laugh at people who thought "The Handmaid's Tale" was going to happen in reality. Not anymore.
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28th February 2023, 01:57 PM	#32
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry We're going to have a vast number of new "drug dealers" in Federal prison explaining to their new bunkmate that they're there for trafficking birth control. I used to laugh at people who thought "The Handmaid's Tale" was going to happen in reality. Not anymore. I watched the entire 4 seasons last month. I cannot say how many times I saw a direct correlation between Gilead and what the religious right so desperately wants to establish. It was scary.

28th February 2023, 02:06 PM	#33
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote I just watched a review of the Christian victimization porn movie 2025, in which, you guessed it, the evil "Communists" take over and outlaw Christianity. The projection is staggering. It's like the Puritans: We want religious freedom; but only for us. Christians have a huge persecution complex firmly established in their psyches from the time when they were, indeed, persecuted either by pagan societies or "other" Christian factions. They see themselves as victims regardless of which form of Christianity they belong to, thus they crave dominance in order to secure their safety.

1st March 2023, 12:30 AM	#34
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,296	Originally Posted by Stacyhs It's like the Puritans: We want religious freedom; but only for us. Christians have a huge persecution complex firmly established in their psyches from the time when they were, indeed, persecuted either by pagan societies or "other" Christian factions. They see themselves as victims regardless of which form of Christianity they belong to, thus they crave dominance in order to secure their safety. Persecution of christians was always exaggerated. For example, religious based persecution didn't become a thing in Rome until it became christia

1st March 2023, 12:47 AM	#35
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,387	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle Persecution of christians was always exaggerated. For example, religious based persecution didn't become a thing in Rome until it became christia Catholics and Protestants persecuted each other worse.