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Dancing machine
Courtesy of Boston Dynamics, naturally:
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Amazing.
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Wow, they've come a long way! I wonder how many takes it took?
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Absolutely awesome!
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This is what billions buys you. Nothing useful.
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It shows the potential of these robots.
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The first two thirds seems to be a single take, but later on there are a lot of cuts where the light coming in through the windows changes showing that it wasn’t done all at once. Still very impressive!
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Rudimentary motion in machinery induced by specific soundwaves is nothing new. Obviously they just took that same principle and expanded on it. To suggest that this is something that requires some sort of AI is silly.
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I've just watched a documentary about the Stark corporation and I'm supposed to be impressed?
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Was there more than one humanoid robot or did they do some kind of old fashioned 60's sitcom video magic to make the two dance together?
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These things are AI wonders.
With a remote control car, you just press forward, and the wheels move the car forward. When you tell one of these things to move forward, it figures out how to do that. That simple looking dance move where Spot's legs are crossed requires a mountain of computation, and AI is part of that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-PdPtqw78k |
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I find myself wanting the dog thing to have two heads/necks and one back leg. Anybody know why?
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I'm pretty sure Boston Dynamic's robots move according to some elegantly simple algorithms for maintaining hysteresis in an unstable system, not mountains of AI computation. Maybe mountains of AI computation went into developing the algorithms?
In fact I think one of their earliest learnings was that it was actually easier to make an unstable robot that constantly shifted its footing to keep from falling over, than it was to make a robot that could just stand still like humans do. |
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Check at the Adam Savage video just before 5 minutes, here's a timestamp:
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Replace the robots with humans, and what do you do?
Someone choreographed the dance routine. The camera is probably on a mobile robot too. Now teach the robots the dance routine. Like the humans, these robots aren't told when to move what muscle and by how much. They are told what kind of maneuver to do (a leg lift), and their software works out the best way to do that in their environment. I suspect if a 50 gallon barrel rolled through the dance floor, the robots would sense it, avoid it, and get back to dancing. Based on all Boston Dynamic other videos. |
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Well, however they do it, it’s pretty darn amazing.
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If someone had brought a set of Boston Dynamic videos back in time to 1968 and said that this is where robotics will be in the second decade of the 21st century, then we would have all been very disappointed.
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Amazing video, in particular when you consider how difficult it is for some humans to learn to dance. For instance, when dance instructors say, "forward, back, forward, back," when demonstrating basic steps, they say "forward" when they are already making the step forward, but many people don't understand this simple principle and consider "forward" to be a command and therefore start moving forwards when the instructor is already taking the step back. I don't think the robots are listening and acting on it. Robots would have been more precise when following the rhythm and keeping the beat, I think. So I think engineers were listening and making the moves after having programmed the robots to emulate them. In Copenhagen, we have quite a lot of engineers learning salsa dancing. When salsa dancers talk about somebody "dancing salsa like an engineer," it isn't usually meant as praise ... ![]() |
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That would be cool, a robot that could recognize rythm patterns in music and coordinate its movements to match. It could randomly choose from a catalogue of moves and give the impression of dancing.
I think that is within our capabilities but not what is happening here. This looks like robots performing programmed movements that change in time with a popular song. |
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I for one welcome our new dancing robotic overlords.
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We all better start practicing, looks like the robot apocalypse is going to be a dance off.
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Does anyone really think this is robots autonomously listening and interpreting music on the fly and dancing?
Yeah, just no. Watch closely towards the end and observe the light coming in through the windows at different angles. This is quite clearly multiple takes implying that the music was synced in post. The tech is impressive. But the robots aren't dancing. |
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The robots are definitely dancing. It is undoubtedly a pre-determined routine, as are many human dances. What they probably are not doing is using external audio as a cue for the timing. But then, why would they? Robots can keep time perfectly internally. Humans aren't very good at that, that's part of why we mostly dance to the music.
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