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Old 13th February 2021, 02:01 PM   #2521
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WTF? McConnell now -- after the vote -- sounds like he's supporting conviction. He says Trump is morally and practically responsible for the attack on the Capitol.
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Old 13th February 2021, 02:05 PM   #2522
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WTF? McConnell now -- after the vote -- sounds like he's supporting conviction. He says Trump is morally and practically responsible for the attack on the Capitol.
Of course he is. He's a two-faced Traitor, just like most Republicans.
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Old 13th February 2021, 02:05 PM   #2523
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#2 on the list of worthless self-serving bastards.
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McConnell wants it both ways: Trump's guilty but he's not. What the hell?
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WTF? McConnell now -- after the vote -- sounds like he's supporting conviction. He says Trump is morally and practically responsible for the attack on the Capitol.
It's a flex. He's proving that nothing that actually happens matters.
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They say only the good die young. McConnell will live to be 200.
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Old 13th February 2021, 02:08 PM   #2527
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Well, this isn't over really. The criminal charges are coming for him. I honestly believe that if he lives long enough, Donald John Trump will eventually see the inside of a prison cell.
And there is plenty of time (years really) to investigate and strengthen the cases against him. I can only hope there are charges coming for his children as well.

As the prosecutions of the insurrectionists proceed and come to a conclusion we are going to see more and more evidence come to light, and it wont be so easily dismissed in a court of law. Charges related to the insurrection are not the only ones that could be coming either.
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Old 13th February 2021, 02:10 PM   #2528
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Yeah but Donald Trump is going to go to his grave never answering for a direct attack on democracy.

Pardon me if him going down on in 5 years on some tax code violation isn't a huge comfort.
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Old 13th February 2021, 02:11 PM   #2529
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Yep....he's going for the "It wasn't Constitutional" excuse. What a load of BS.

ETA: He's wiping away historical precedent, the vote of the Senate on the constitutionality, and the overwhelming opinion of Constitutional scholars and substituting his own opinion. The sheer arrogance is mind boggeling.

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Old 13th February 2021, 02:11 PM   #2530
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7 Republicans out of 50 vote guilty ...
I know, there will be complaints about how it turned out. But....

I believe that this is the most votes ever by the party of the President in an impeachment vote.

His first impeachment was the first time ever that a senator (Romney) voted to convict a president from his own party. This time, 7 did so? That is completely unprecedented.
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Old 13th February 2021, 02:13 PM   #2531
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The vote was that the proceedings were constitutional so you should have honoured that vote and voted on the facts you spineless turd.
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
I know, there will be complaints about how it turned out. But....

I believe that this is the most votes ever by the party of the President in an impeachment vote.

His first impeachment was the first time ever that a senator (Romney) voted to convict a president from his own party. This time, 7 did so? That is completely unprecedented.
Yep. Trump has now had a member of his own party vote against him in two separate Impeachments, which is.... something at least.

(As always I still sort of count Nixon, who would have had a lot of Republicans vote against had his impeachment moved forward if not for his "Screw you, you can't fire me, I quit.")
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getting 7 senators to break with the trump party is a lot
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McConnell wants it both ways: Trump's guilty but he's not. What the hell?
He wants Trump's base but not Trump.
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Old 13th February 2021, 02:19 PM   #2535
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McConnell is wiping away historical precedent, the vote of the Senate on the constitutionality, and the overwhelming opinion of Constitutional scholars and substituting his own opinion. The sheer arrogance is mind boggeling.
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Old 13th February 2021, 02:20 PM   #2536
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"Yeah, Trump was factually guilty. But **** you and your facts."

At least we are getting honesty for a change.
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Old 13th February 2021, 02:21 PM   #2537
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Yeah but Donald Trump is going to go to his grave never answering for a direct attack on democracy.

Pardon me if him going down on in 5 years on some tax code violation isn't a huge comfort.
He can still face criminal charges for what happened on Jan. 6 and the days leading up to it. This proceeding doesn't cause any future criminal trial to be double jeopardy. Presidential immunity is only in effect so long as the President is in office.
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Old 13th February 2021, 02:21 PM   #2538
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WTF? McConnell now -- after the vote -- sounds like he's supporting conviction. He says Trump is morally and practically responsible for the attack on the Capitol.
He feels the need to rationalize his vote. I can't listen to it. He's got NPR on a special, however-McConnell wants to speak, coverage.

He probably feels the need to rationalize why his white supremacist Senate turned a blind eye to the con-man-who-was-POTUS' crimes. He has a lot to apologize rationalize for, 4 years worth.

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Well, the GOP has shown how full of BS it's claim to be the party of supporting the Constituion is.
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Time to arm up, folks. I think a second civil war is a matter of time now that it has been estalbsihed that a president is above the law, and the militant right has been emboldened.
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Old 13th February 2021, 02:25 PM   #2541
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"Yeah, Trump was factually guilty. But **** you and your facts."

At least we are getting honesty for a change.
I don't call that crap honesty, but then I admit I had to turn it off so I didn't hear it all.
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I'm curious how Susan Collins votes this time. She's already fully wedged her foot into her mouth for Trump last time. Is she willing to do it again?
Count me surprised. It wasnít enough, which does surprise me, but she voted to convict.
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That speech by McConnell makes me even angrier with him. He knows Trump was guilty and yet he votes to acquit on a flimsy and transparent excuse for purely self-serving political reasons. It just reaffirms what a snake he is.
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Even though the outcome was almost assured, McConnell's disingenuousness pisses me off almost more than anything else that has happened.
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Time to arm up, folks. I think a second civil war is a matter of time now that it has been estalbsihed that a president is above the law, and the militant right has been emboldened.
Trump has lost his mouthpiece. He sent a written statement around and ABC at least, only read the beginning of it. Without his megaphone, can he even get more than a few thousand to come to a rally?

He tried to get Zuckerburg to let him back on FB, not happening yet.

It takes social media to rev that crowd back up and I believe right now they have no wind in their sails.

Not saying the situation can't change, just saying right now I don't feel any give-us-back-Trump movement brewing. He's a loser.
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Time to arm up, folks. I think a second civil war is a matter of time now that it has been estalbsihed that a president is above the law, and the militant right has been emboldened.
Maybe hold off on shooting your brothers for a bit. While he may have ducked a largely impotent impeachment conviction, DC might sit want a word.

And hundreds of arrested insurrectionists have already felt the bite of the potency of the Law.
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Has the acquittal vote been certified? Can we object?

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Yeah but Donald Trump is going to go to his grave never answering for a direct attack on democracy.
Thank you.

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Pardon me if him going down on in 5 years on some tax code violation isn't a huge comfort.
And again.
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And hundreds of arrested insurrectionists have already felt the bite of the potency of the Law.
Without Trump backing them up with pardons.
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Trump has lost his mouthpiece. He sent a written statement around and ABC at least, only read the beginning of it. Without his megaphone, can he even get more than a few thousand to come to a rally?

He tried to get Zuckerburg to let him back on FB, not happening yet.

It takes social media to rev that crowd back up and I believe right now they have no wind in their sails.

Not saying the situation can't change, just saying right now I don't feel any give-us-back-Trump movement brewing. He's a loser.
I would like to belive you but I just can't. \
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Trump has lost his mouthpiece. He sent a written statement around and ABC at least, only read the beginning of it. Without his megaphone, can he even get more than a few thousand to come to a rally?

He tried to get Zuckerburg to let him back on FB, not happening yet.

It takes social media to rev that crowd back up and I believe right now they have no wind in their sails.

Not saying the situation can't change, just saying right now I don't feel any give-us-back-Trump movement brewing. He's a loser.
this will probably work out for the best. Trump can't rally his base, they don't turn out in 2022, and people don't forget what happened in the last few months.

And honestly I'd be tempted to push through some controversial votes on a party line with Kamala as the tie breaker just to shove it down their throats that they're the minority party and they've failed. PR and DC statehood for instance would force the R party to have to be more moderate and actually consider the will of the people.

All Biden has to do is a good job in the meantime.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Trump has lost his mouthpiece. He sent a written statement around and ABC at least, only read the beginning of it. Without his megaphone, can he even get more than a few thousand to come to a rally?

He tried to get Zuckerburg to let him back on FB, not happening yet.

It takes social media to rev that crowd back up and I believe right now they have no wind in their sails.

Not saying the situation can't change, just saying right now I don't feel any give-us-back-Trump movement brewing. He's a loser.
I agree. I don't see Trump running in 2024. He'll claim he is, he'll make some moves like holding rallies, but he won't actually run.
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Hey, does this mean we can storm Congress for this travesty and get away with it now? Asking for an insurrectionist.
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Maybe hold off on shooting your brothers for a bit. While he may have ducked a largely impotent impeachment conviction, DC might sit want a word.

And hundreds of arrested insurrectionists have already felt the bite of the potency of the Law.
Fascists are not my freaking brothers.
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I agree. I don't see Trump running in 2024. He'll claim he is, he'll make some moves like holding rallies, but he won't actually run.
String them along long enough to raise some cash then decide not to run.
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Fascists are not my freaking brothers.
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Nor mine. But show me a Civil War where innocents are not caught in the crossfire. People getting a woody over Civil War overlook that sometimes. Arming up in the streets is generally a net negative.
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Congress makes it official: “Hey, Executive Branch, it’s okay to raise up an army against us, kill us if you like, if you don’t get your way!

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I would love to see a big headline with that: GOP Senators rule it's OK to sic a mob on the Capitol if you lose an election.
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I would love to see a big headline with that: GOP Senators rule it's OK to sic a mob on the Capitol if you lose an election.
I hope those senators don't complain when the next mob gets them!
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Nor mine. But show me a Civil War where innocents are not caught in the crossfire. People getting a woody over Civil War overlook that sometimes. Arming up in the streets is generally a net negative.

War is a last resort, but if that is the price we must pay for democracy, so be it
As my sig shows, I am not a big f an of pure pacifism.
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