Capitol assault was orchestrated by ANTIFA

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by Thermal

Except that they don't behave anything like fascists. No hyper-nationalism around a charismatic leader, no race based authoritarianism, nothing. They are street fighters, and doxxers, nothing fascist about their tactics.

Although it is interesting that fascists are described as self-evidently bad, and anti-fascists are bad if they were to use the same tactics, and of course being anti-fascist still means they are anti-you...

The doublethink is making my head hurt doubleplus ungoodly.

In certain ways, antifa do behave like fascists. Ask my pal Axx. Maybe you'd provide a different name for them?

Regardless of what they are called, they are typical of Bezmenov's useful idiots, to be discarded in the final phase. He said thousands of useful idiots were killed in one night in their beds, during final phase of communist takeover in Vietnam. He added the CIA were mystified at how the reds knew were all the victims slept. He said same happened to Czechs.

After the useful idiot realize they were used, they become a threat because they naturally oppose the new regime which they were told would be nice, but is anything but.

Stalin etc solved that problem in similar fashion.

[Matthew Ellard]

Originally Posted by Bubba

I am opposed to phony "Antifa"

Good news then that your crap claim was debunked in seconds.



"Sullivan confirmed to PolitiFact that he entered the building with the rioters, and that he is in the photographs shown as part of the Facebook post. But there’s no proof that he "incited (the) insurgence," and he has denied any affiliation with antifa, a broad coalition of anti-fascist activists. In a Sept. 8 press briefing, FBI Assistant Director Steven D’Antuono said the agency has "no indication" that antifa played a role.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...g-activist-an/

[Matthew Ellard]

Originally Posted by Bubba

In certain ways, antifa do behave like fascists.

Q-anon Trump fascist supporters fail in their coup attempt to storm the capitol. (Capitol Hill Putsch 2021)

Hitler and the Nazi fascists fail in their coup attempt to storm the Feldherrnhalle, (Beer Hall Putsch 1923)

Now Bubba.....tell us what government building the Antifa supporters stormed?

[Matthew Ellard]

Originally Posted by Bubba

Stalin etc solved that problem in similar fashion.

You don't actually have a clue who Stalin was or what he did, do you?

[trustbutverify]

Originally Posted by Bubba

In certain ways, antifa do behave like fascists. Ask my pal Axx. Maybe you'd provide a different name for them?

How many cops has antifa murdered?

[Resume]

Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard

You don't actually have a clue who Stalin was or what he did, do you?

Nor does he know what socialism, communism, and Marxism are. Well, he might have heard of Duck Soup.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by Bubba

In certain ways, antifa do behave like fascists. Ask my pal Axx. Maybe you'd provide a different name for them?

Depends on who you are referring to. If you mean people who are willing to throw down with neo-nazis on the street, who stay in Twitter contact with other like-minded Nazi haters, then that's antifa.

If you mean protesters who seem against your ideologies, that's something different. I hope. Are you using some random redefinition of antifa?

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Regardless of what they are called, they are typical of Bezmenov's useful idiots, to be discarded in the final phase. He said thousands of useful idiots were killed in one night in their beds, during final phase of communist takeover in Vietnam. He added the CIA were mystified at how the reds knew were all the victims slept. He said same happened to Czechs.

After the useful idiot realize they were used, they become a threat because they naturally oppose the new regime which they were told would be nice, but is anything but.

Stalin etc solved that problem in similar fashion.

Ok. But all that has nothing to do with street fighters whom the govt doesn't like or want either. They are not being 'useful' to anyone.

What are you talking about?

[Resume]

Nazi filth advocate assassination.

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As the FBI warns of armed groups threatening state capitals across the country and the National Guard is deploying to Washington D.C. in preparation for the inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden, accelerationist neo-Nazis who supported last week’s President Donald Trump-incited insurrection are calling for targeted killings and advocating for members of the military—charged with protecting one of the most fundamental events in American democracy—to turn to their side.

Posts circulating on Telegram, the online ecosystem of choice among militant neo-Nazis, urge followers to locate the addresses of politicians in Congress and assassinate them.

“Strike the iron while it's hot. The rats have addresses,” reads one post, viewed over a thousand times from a popular account with over 4,000 followers. Broadly speaking, the accelerationist movement believes acts of violence, like the events on Capitol Hill last week, will hasten the collapse of the U.S. government and force it into a standoff with an emergent insurgency led by far-right terrorists.

“You know of some in your area. Do your bit. It will snowball,” reads the post.

You go FBI, round up these fascists.

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by Resume

Nor does he know what socialism, communism, and Marxism are. Well, he might have heard of Duck Soup.

"We Got Guns,
They Got GUns
All of God's Children Got Guns".

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by Resume

Nazi filth advocate assassination.



You go FBI, round up these fascists.

These people seem to have a hard time focusing. Maybe they should go spend some time in concentration camp.

[SuburbanTurkey]

Time to pour some gas on the fire:

"Activist John" was arrested taking part in the Capitol invasion. John claims to be a BLM activist.

DOJ release about his arrest here: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/u...states-capitol

John claims to be a BLM lefty, but has been disavowed by pretty much every leftist protest community he has ever encountered. Apparently he has earned a reputation as being a violent grifter. He also has pretty clear ties to the far right and has associated with Proud Boys.

Here's a disavowal from November warning lefties to be wary of this guy: https://twitter.com/RebellionBaby/st...02008765206528

Conspiracy cranks will take his claims of being a antifascist at face value, despite his close associations with far-right groups and his participation in a far-right coup attempt.

[Armitage72]

I just realized what the whole Antifa business reminds me of. After the Columbine shooting, 20/20 did a story in which it was claimed that the shooters were part of a nationwide white suburban gang with a history of violent murder - the "Gothic Movement". It was seriously claimed that Goths were a single unified group full of deranged killers.
Widely scattered unconnected groups that share some similar attitudes being portrayed as a monolithic boogeyman.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

John claims to be a BLM lefty, but has been disavowed by pretty much every leftist protest community he has ever encountered. Apparently he has earned a reputation as being a violent grifter. He also has pretty clear ties to the far right and has associated with Proud Boys.

Indeed, I'm fairly well acquainted with the organized BLM protest movement in Salt Lake City, and they didn't buy into him for a second. His m.o. seems to be precisely to pretend to be on the political left, but then do violent and offensive things in the name of that in order to incite police action.

[Resume]

As to the thread title, no it wasn't. The insurrection was orchestrated by a rag-tag group of alt-right dirtbags,, CTers, Q-nuts, sov-cit scum, and christian nationalists. They were possible aided and abetted by a few treasonous representatives and some crooked cops*. This is what all the evidence indicates and those who attempt to claim otherwise are like Donald Trump's Depends: full of ****.

The possibility there might have been other bad actors is so minor a factor, it is to be dismissed as unimportant.



*I forgot to add the (Former) President ***** -His-Pants fomenting the violence.

[JayUtah]

Yeah, but it works like the anit-vaxxers. You can have 10,000 peer-reviewed studies that show little if any harm from vaccines, but if there happens to arise just one that suggests a problem -- "Aha! I knew it all along!"

[Resume]

Originally Posted by JayUtah

Yeah, but it works like the anit-vaxxers. You can have 10,000 peer-reviewed studies that show little if any harm from vaccines, but if there happens to arise just one that suggests a problem -- "Aha! I knew it all along!"

Thus it will be with the conspiracy minded and the gullible: all that can be done is to rationally debunk them, then when they inevitably pop back up with the same claim, ridicule the ridiculous. After laying out the evidence for these credules, and their summary rejection of same, I have no time for their continual pissing down my back and calling it rain. I just laugh at their playground pretend worldview.

[Bubba]

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For the fact-checkers out there
Joe Biden said "antifa is an idea" Sept.29, 2020

The FBI said "Antifa is a domestic terror organization"
When ? May 31, 2020


Joe Biden compared Sen. Hawley to Josef Goebbels.
What did Hawley do ?
Hawley objected and said there were dueling Electors.
We all know what Goebbels did.

This, from a guy that didn't think Antifa existed Sept. 29, 2020
and
Antifa had been declared a terrorist organization May 31, 2020
Biden spent 88 days saying nothing about the riots.
Biden ignored it. Harris ignored it. Cities burned.

In spite of the hyper-partisam sensitivities these days :
It's perfectly reasonable to say :
Antifa worked within BLM protests.
Antifa worked within other protests.


In Las Vegas, BLM got annoyed at Antifa,
when Antifa began starting protests in their name.

If Antifa is doing what the FBI think they're doing,
why would the FBI want to stop them ?

They're achieving the goals of cointelpro
They're doing a job that used to take an FBI agent.
Incite the crowd to do things that invite interdiction.

Unless the FBI is on the wrong side today

- seen online

[Resume]

Seen on a playground . . .

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Q-nuts, CTers, Alt-right filth, sov-cit scum, christian nationalists+ their dear leader, Diaper Don. That's it.


Diaper Don

What's that nappy you have on?

Could it be smelly mess

From days gone by?

And did I hear you say

You've not changed yours today

But you hope Ivanka may

If you cry?

Seen online.

Apologies to Tanya Tucker.

[Hans]

Originally Posted by Bubba

- seen online

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...d0be4b65f2362e

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FBI director says antifa is an ideology, not an organization

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September 17, 2020

[Axxman300]

Originally Posted by Bubba

In certain ways, antifa do behave like fascists. Ask my pal Axx. Maybe you'd provide a different name for them?

Regardless of what they are called, they are typical of Bezmenov's useful idiots, to be discarded in the final phase. He said thousands of useful idiots were killed in one night in their beds, during final phase of communist takeover in Vietnam. He added the CIA were mystified at how the reds knew were all the victims slept. He said same happened to Czechs.

After the useful idiot realize they were used, they become a threat because they naturally oppose the new regime which they were told would be nice, but is anything but.

Stalin etc solved that problem in similar fashion.

You missed the point.

I'll be blunt: There is no difference between what the Trumpists are doing and what Antifa are doing, and there is no difference between some Antifa activist and you.

You and Antifa are driven by your internet echo chambers to create a world based on lies. You both shout about how the "media" is lying and blinding people to your and their versions of what they think the truth is.

You and your Trumists sit at the same kiddie table as Antifa does. And like children, you both point fingers at each other when caught doing the same things.

Except Antifa never attacked the US Capitol Building. That was your friends.

[eerok]

Originally Posted by Bubba

Joe Biden compared Sen. Hawley to Josef Goebbels.
What did Hawley do ?
Hawley objected and said there were dueling Electors.

Hawley spread lies and caused great harm

Originally Posted by Bubba

We all know what Goebbels did.

Goebbels spread lies and caused great harm.

[Resume]

Originally Posted by eerok

Hawley spread lies and caused great harm



Goebbels spread lies and caused great harm.

Also, Hawley emerged as a first class propagandist in the christian nationalist movement. He's a real go-getter among the new fascist-istas. Nothing would do my heart prouder than to learn he enabled the insurrectionist scum in an indictable way. Well, maybe Diaper Don in prison orange.

[eerok]

Originally Posted by Resume

Also, Hawley emerged as a first class propagandist in the christian nationalist movement. He's a real go-getter among the new fascist-istas. Nothing would do my heart prouder than to learn he enabled the insurrectionist scum in an indictable way. Well, maybe Diaper Don in prison orange.

I sincerely hope Hawley at least tanked his political career by his recent stunts, but I'm not that optimistic. I'm still expecting some consequences, though.

[lomiller]

Originally Posted by Bubba

In certain ways, antifa do behave like fascists. Ask my pal Axx. Maybe you'd provide a different name for them?

There is absolutely nothing uniquely fascist in their behavior.

Originally Posted by Bubba

Stalin etc solved that problem in similar fashion.

Stalin's wasn't a fascist, he was a communist which is about as far as you can get on the other end of the spectrum. It's not just would be dictators than use similar tactics, however. The US founding fathers used them as well.

Originally Posted by Bubba

Regardless of what they are called, they are typical of Bezmenov's useful idiots, to be discarded in the final phase. He said thousands of useful idiots were killed in one night in their beds, during final phase of communist takeover in Vietnam.

No doubt they, like you, ignored the facts and convinced themselves that it was "the other side" that were being used as useful idiots

[Hans]

Originally Posted by Resume

Also, Hawley emerged as a first class propagandist in the christian nationalist movement. He's a real go-getter among the new fascist-istas. Nothing would do my heart prouder than to learn he enabled the insurrectionist scum in an indictable way. Well, maybe Diaper Don in prison orange.

Unfortunately. He or someone like him will have noted how the GOP condoned fascist behavior in Trump. I believe said smarter person will use the Trump 'method' to set up a right wing autocracy in the USA - by first being elected President.

[Bubba]

Important safety tip:

We need more free speech, not less. Free discourse exposes bad ideas. That is why the marxists in our colleges are silencing voices they dislike.

Of all places, colleges should remain the bastion of free discussion of ideas. Thats why college have been taken over by the anti-free speech mob.


Some professors say they noticed the problem emerging in the 80's as 'politically correct speech'

[Bubba]

New York Times ??

NYT reports Jan 6 timeline does not fit media narrative blaming Trump.

Impeachment narrative also collapses


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrlF...SEpNVof5lx5WKM

[Resume]

"Kill him with his own gun" cop describes his fight for life against Capitol rioters.

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I AGREE

After they chanted "Kill him," some shouted "Don't kill him," then pulled him away from the scum attempting to murder him, so it's okay.

As the officer said to those who pulled him away, "Thank you, but **** you for being there."

Round up the filth FBI; I'm not going to tell you not to be too careful about how you do it either, as President ***** -His-Pants once advised.

Nah, I'm not going to say that.

Nope.

[Captain_Swoop]

wrong thread

[trustbutverify]

Originally Posted by Bubba

- seen online

Quote:

Trump is a Nazi, and his cult's average IQ is 73.

-Seen online.

[Cosmic Yak]

Originally Posted by Bubba

Important safety tip:

We need more free speech, not less.

But Bubba, you hate free speech.
You are constantly going on about how the free press is biased against the government, and how much you want that to change.
You've also said how you want the government to be able to police what's said on the internet.
Glad to see you've changed your mind about this, though. What brought about this Damascene conversion?

[Mader Levap]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak

But Bubba, you hate free speech.
You are constantly going on about how the free press is biased against the government, and how much you want that to change.
You've also said how you want the government to be able to police what's said on the internet.
Glad to see you've changed your mind about this, though. What brought about this Damascene conversion?

Authoritarians always are all for free speech until they get into power.

[eerok]

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

Authoritarians always are all for free speech until they get into power.

I just watched A Thousand Cuts, a documentary on Duterte's conflict with Rappler, which is a Filipino news source critical of him. All tinpots attack the media. It's a step toward conquest.

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak

But Bubba, you hate free speech.
You are constantly going on about how the free press is biased against the government, and how much you want that to change.
You've also said how you want the government to be able to police what's said on the internet.
Glad to see you've changed your mind about this, though. What brought about this Damascene conversion?

It's another one of those irregular constructions, isn't it?

I must have freedom to say what I want when I want; you must only say what I think you should say; he/she/it should just STFU!

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

wrong thread

On so many levels

[Elagabalus]

The New Yorker has an Alien Lizard man time machine.

"Among the Insurrectionists" January 25, 2021 ...

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by Axxman300

You missed the point.

I'll be blunt: There is no difference between what the Trumpists are doing and what Antifa are doing, and there is no difference between some Antifa activist and you.

You and Antifa are driven by your internet echo chambers to create a world based on lies. You both shout about how the "media" is lying and blinding people to your and their versions of what they think the truth is.

You and your Trumists sit at the same kiddie table as Antifa does. And like children, you both point fingers at each other when caught doing the same things.

Except Antifa never attacked the US Capitol Building. That was your friends.

With the caveat that Antifa is not a monolithc organization, I agree that some of the more extreme elements of Antifa are no better then the Trumpists...as much as some here do not want to admit that.
It would be so much easier if I could wear blinders and have a "Left GOOD,Right BAD" mentality, but I just can't.

[wareyin]

Originally Posted by dudalb

It would be so much easier if I could wear blinders and have a "Left GOOD,Right BAD" mentality, but I just can't.

It does seem like it's a lot more work doing the "both sides" dance. One has to constantly minimize the actions of the right while exaggerating the actions of the left. And after all that work, nobody appreciates the result.

[Airfix]

American Nutty Idiot Trump Fans Anonymous ?

[Venom]

Originally Posted by wareyin

It does seem like it's a lot more work doing the "both sides" dance. One has to constantly minimize the actions of the right while exaggerating the actions of the left. And after all that work, nobody appreciates the result.

THIS.