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Old 16th July 2020, 02:33 PM   #841
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It is indeed difficult to think of an explanation for this video clip that doesn't involve both dementia and racism

https://twitter.com/TomJChicago/stat...51801278246914
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Old 16th July 2020, 02:40 PM   #842
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Read the transcript of yesterday's press conference

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts...script-july-14

That is not normal.

I really doubt that Joe Biden is going to ban windows, or that eyesight will be really bad* in 5-years time, whatever that means

If you watch the video, you also see very gap gap odd gap timings as herunsuptosomething he gets and then pause pauses or flufd fluds fluffs words. The transcript fails to capture the full Grandpa Simpson nature of the monologue

*But my projection spotter makes me wonder if Trump is having visual issues.
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He misses his rallies where he get feedback from the crowd. Without the feedback he's a failure as a campaign speaker.
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Old 16th July 2020, 04:03 PM   #843
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Mary Trump, who says her uncle is a sociopath, said this in her book:
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Ideally, the rules at home reflect the rules of society, so when children
go out into the world, they generally know how to behave. When kids go to
school, they’re supposed to know that they shouldn’t take other children’s
toys and they’re not supposed to hit or tease other children. Donald didn’t
understand any of that because the rules in the House, at least as they
applied to the boys—be tough at all costs, lying is okay, admitting you’re
wrong or apologizing is weakness—clashed with the rules he encountered
at school. Fred’s fundamental beliefs about how the world worked—in life,
there can be only one winner and everybody else is a loser (an idea that
essentially precluded the ability to share) and kindness is weakness—were
clear. Donald knew, because he had seen it with Freddy, that failure to
comply with his father’s rules was punished by severe and often public
humiliation, so he continued to adhere to them even outside his father’s
purview. Not surprisingly, his understanding of “right” and “wrong” would
clash with the lessons taught in most elementary schools.

Donald’s growing arrogance, in part a defense against his feelings of
abandonment and an antidote to his lack of self-esteem, served as a
protective cover for his deepening insecurities. As a result, he was able to
keep most people at arm’s length. It was easier for him that way. Life in
the House made all the children in one way or another uncomfortable with
emotions—either expressing them or being confronted with them. It was
probably worse for the boys, for whom the acceptable range of human
feeling was extremely narrow. (I never saw any man in my family cry or
express affection for one another in any way other than the handshake that
opened and closed any encounter.) Getting close to other children or
authority figures may have felt like a dangerous betrayal of his father.
Nonetheless, Donald’s displays of confidence, his belief that society’s
rules didn’t apply to him, and his exaggerated display of self-worth drew
some people to him. A large minority of people still confuse his arrogance
for strength, his false bravado for accomplishment, and his superficial
interest in them for charisma.
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Old 16th July 2020, 06:03 PM   #844
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
He misses his rallies where he get feedback from the crowd. Without the feedback he's a failure as a campaign speaker.
The Trumpers will cheer anything he says. Unlike when he's standing in front of the international press corps, his acolytes don't expect him to make sense.
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Old 19th July 2020, 09:37 AM   #845
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Trump has said he found the last five questions of the cognitive test "very hard".

Video here

https://www.axios.com/trump-cognitiv...7342d1617.html

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TRUMP: "It's all misrepresentation. Because, yes, the first few questions are easy, but I'll bet you couldn't even answer the last five questions. I'll bet you couldn't, they get very hard, the last five questions."

WALLACE: "Well, one of them was count back from 100 by seven."
But there is nothing wrong with him.
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Old 19th July 2020, 03:40 PM   #846
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Mary Trump, who says her uncle is a sociopath, said this in her book:

Interesting book, but it would be even more interesting if somebody his own age or slightly older contributed with descriptions of his behaviour when he was a child and a teenager. She is almost 20 years younger than her uncle, so her observations of him didn't start till he was an adult. His siblings might have some good stories, but since they are also described in the book, and not in a flattering way, they'll probably not be forthcoming. Maybe his classmates could be persuaded to share some of their memories ... for the screen adaptation ...

Your quotation is from the beginning of the book, but I think that you begin to get a much better idea of how the way he was brought up has influenced his current behaviour when she describes how he has(n't) handled the pandemic in the last chapter and the epilogue.
(By the way, it's a very short book.)
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Old 19th July 2020, 05:14 PM   #847
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Interesting book, but it would be even more interesting if somebody his own age or slightly older contributed with descriptions of his behaviour when he was a child and a teenager. She is almost 20 years younger than her uncle, so her observations of him didn't start till he was an adult. His siblings might have some good stories, but since they are also described in the book, and not in a flattering way, they'll probably not be forthcoming. Maybe his classmates could be persuaded to share some of their memories ... for the screen adaptation ...

Your quotation is from the beginning of the book, but I think that you begin to get a much better idea of how the way he was brought up has influenced his current behaviour when she describes how he has(n't) handled the pandemic in the last chapter and the epilogue.
(By the way, it's a very short book.)
Some stories from his sibling are included in the book:

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When Freddy, at fourteen, dumped a bowl of mashed potatoes on his
then-seven-year-old brother’s head, it wounded Donald’s pride so deeply
that he’d still be bothered by it when Maryanne brought it up in her toast
at the White House birthday dinner in 2017. The incident wasn’t a big deal
—or it shouldn’t have been. Donald had been tormenting Robert, again,
and nobody could get him to stop. Even at seven, he felt no need to listen
to his mother, who, having failed to heal the rift between them after her
illness, he treated with contempt. Finally, Robert’s crying and Donald’s
needling became too much, and in a moment of improvised expedience
that would become family legend, Freddy picked up the first thing at hand
that wouldn’t cause any real damage: the bowl of mashed potatoes.

Everybody laughed, and they couldn’t stop laughing. And they were
laughing at Donald. It was the first time Donald had been humiliated by
someone he even then believed to be beneath him. He hadn’t understood
that humiliation was a weapon that could be wielded by only one person in
a fight. That Freddy, of all people, could drag him into a world where
humiliation could happen to him made it so much worse. From then on, he
would never allow himself to feel that feeling again. From then on, he
would wield the weapon, never be at the sharp end of it.
We can see how this incident explains Trump's deep hatred of Obama who mocked him at a WH Correspondents Dinner.


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One Christmas the boys received three Tonka trucks, which soon
became Robert’s favorite toys. As soon as Donald figured that out, he
started hiding them from his little brother and pretending he had no idea
where they were. The last time it happened, when Robert’s tantrum
spiraled out of control, Donald threatened to dismantle the trucks in front
of him if he didn’t stop crying. Desperate to save them, Robert ran to his
mother. Mary’s solution was to hide the trucks in the attic, effectively
punishing Robert, who’d done nothing wrong, and leaving Donald feeling
invincible. He wasn’t yet being rewarded for selfishness
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Some stories from his sibling are included in the book:

We can see how this incident explains Trump's deep hatred of Obama who mocked him at a WH Correspondents Dinner.
One of the enduring criticisms of Obama -- from people who supported and respected him -- was that nobody was afraid of him. He was so serenely secure and smart and reasonable that neither foreign leaders nor American opponents feared he would hurt them. Imagine what LBJ or Reagan or Nixon or GW Bush would have done to some New York City hustler who started prattling about birth certificates. Obama needed a Dick Cheney or a Robert Kennedy.

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One of the enduring criticisms of Obama -- from people who supported and respected him -- was that nobody was afraid of him. He was so serenely secure and smart and reasonable that neither foreign leaders nor American opponents feared he would hurt them. Imagine what LBJ or Reagan or Nixon or GW Bush would have done to some New York City hustler who started prattling about birth certificates. Obama needed a Dick Cheney or a Robert Kennedy.
WTF?!
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WTF?!

It's not my idea. Success in politics requires application of the carrot and the stick. Politicians use their powers -- to appropriate money, offer electoral support and more -- to reward cooperation and punish resistance. Nobody was afraid that Obama would hurt them, no matter the provocation; not Mitch McConnell, not the Tea Party crowd, not the banks, not the oil companies, not the Russians, not the Chinese, not anybody in the Mideast. The famous "red line that wasn't" in Syria is one example.

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But with the moment of truth fast approaching on Capitol Hill for the signature item on his domestic policy, Obama seems to lack one item that most presidents find helpful to have in their White House tool box: Fear.

Etc.

On the left and on the right, interest groups and members of Congress have been eagerly enjoying the rewards—publicity, negotiating leverage—of challenging the president or dissenting from his policies.

That’s usually a practice presidents try to discourage—especially among members of their own party—by making it clear that the long-term penalty will be greater than any short-term gains.

But the practice has been encouraged by this president’s own intellectual and political style—a preference for negotiation, combined with a disinclination toward drawing bright lines about his own bottom line.
https://www.politico.com/story/2009/...k-obama-027057

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While his momentary turn as foulmouthed intimidator (I can't recall a time when another President had to be bleeped during a televised interview) may reveal he knows the value of bravado, there is much evidence to show he hasn't quite mastered the power of fear and intimidation to actually get what he wants. Obama may be walking loudly, but he is carrying a very small stick.
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/...ticle-1.181876

Meanwhile, Crazy Don scares everybody to death. That's why responsible, powerful, accomplished public officials tug their forelocks when Dear Leader glares at them.

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What a load of crap.
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Some stories from his sibling are included in the book:

True, but they are the few stories that his siblings chose to tell Mary Trump and that she now summarizes in her book. We know very little about his behaviour in school(s). His teachers are probably all dead, but it would be interesting to hear stories from people who went to school with him. She has some ideas about how the discipline of the military academy may have affected him, but that is all conjecture.

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We can see how this incident explains Trump's deep hatred of Obama who mocked him at a WH Correspondents Dinner.

He hates being made fun of. He hates anything that exposes his weakness. And Mary Trump makes it very obvious how this attitude was instilled in him by his grandfather. Or you could say that his coping strategy for dealing with his grandfather's contempt for weakness was what instilled it in him. The irony is that most of his attempts to make himself appear to be strong are what exposes his weakness, e.g. bragging about his scores on a dementia test!

It reminds me of an experience I had a very long time ago: I used to ride on a bus that passed a school for people with Down's syndrome. Sometimes two of them, a couple, would get on the bus, and the guy would immediately start putting down the girl because she was living in an institution with others with the same disability, whereas he had been allowed to move out and live on his own. He was always very loud, and the whole point seemed to be that he wanted the rest of the passengers to know that he was functioning at a higher level than the others with Down's syndrome, but he only succeeded in making us all aware that he had Down's, empathize with the poor girl, and hope that she wouldn't continue to put up with him.

I often think of that guy when I see Trump. It doesn't help that Trump's eyes look very much like those of people with Down's syndrome.

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Watch the video embedded in this tweet:

https://twitter.com/TomJChicago/stat...17573885677570

Trump says that it's a difficult test to remember 5 words. And the ones he selects are pretty much what he sees in front of him. "person, woman, man, camera, TV"
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Watch the video embedded in this tweet:

https://twitter.com/TomJChicago/stat...17573885677570

Trump says that it's a difficult test to remember 5 words. And the ones he selects are pretty much what he sees in front of him. "person, woman, man, camera, TV"
Trump knows more about dementia tests than anyone. If he says it is difficult then it must be more difficult than anyone can imagine.

I am sure that I'm not the first to observe this but it seems that Scott Adams anticipated Trump 30 years ago with his invention of the pointy-haired boss in Dilbert. So many similarities.
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What a load of crap.
Is it? Would Putin have sabotaged the 2016 elections if had been afraid of the consequences? Would Mitch McConnell and the Repubs have blocked every Democratic initiative if Obama had started talking about closing Army bases in Kentucky and Alabama? You think Trump would have launched the birther nonsense if he thought he would pay a price? I'm not the only person who thinks "No Drama Obama" paved the road to the White House for Dear Leader.
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Is it? Would Putin have sabotaged the 2016 elections if had been afraid of the consequences? Would Mitch McConnell and the Repubs have blocked every Democratic initiative if Obama had started talking about closing Army bases in Kentucky and Alabama? You think Trump would have launched the birther nonsense if he thought he would pay a price? I'm not the only person who thinks "No Drama Obama" paved the road to the White House for Dear Leader.
There are also people who think humans existed alongside dinosaurs and the pandemic is really a 'scamdemic'.

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There are also people who think humans existed alongside dinosaurs and the pandemic is really a 'scamdemic'.
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Great. You've convinced me. Obama was the strongest, most powerful, most effective President in the modern era, and today we live in Shangri-La. Thank you for opening my eyes.
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Great. You've convinced me. Obama was the strongest, most powerful, most effective President in the modern era, and today we live in Shangri-La. Thank you for opening my eyes.
Nice try but since I never implied, much less argued, any of the above you might want to try again.

Let's look at your questions:

1)Would Putin have sabotaged the 2016 elections if had been afraid of the consequences?

What consequences would have been enough to scare him? Threats to drop a bomb on Moscow? Sounds like Trump's "fire and fury" rhetoric toward Kim Jung Un before they 'fell in love'...which they're out of now. And NK hasn't changed a damn thing. Putin has always denied interfering in our election which we know is a lie, but just what do you think Obama could have done to make Putin 'afraid'?


2) Would Mitch McConnell and the Repubs have blocked every Democratic initiative if Obama had started talking about closing Army bases in Kentucky and Alabama?

Yes. Because presidents don't make those decisions; Congress does.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/97-305.pdf


3) You think Trump would have launched the birther nonsense if he thought he would pay a price?

LOL! What price could he have paid? He never said anything illegal that he could have been charged with a crime. He never said anything that could be considered slander. He was all speculation and innuendo. You know, there's that little thing called the First Amendment. Do you think Obama should have sent a goon squad to beat Trump up?

4) I'm not the only person who thinks "No Drama Obama" paved the road to the White House for Dear Leader.

Great! So what? Lots of people think vaccines cause autism, Trump is handling the pandemic well, and Dec. 25 is really Jesus' birthday. Doesn't make them true.
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Let's look at your questions:

1)Would Putin have sabotaged the 2016 elections if had been afraid of the consequences?

What consequences would have been enough to scare him? Threats to drop a bomb on Moscow?
....
But it's not "all or nothing." Politics and diplomacy provide numerous levers, and experts learn which ones to pull and when. Obama actually did contemplate retaliation against Putin. There was discussion of public exposure, tougher sanctions, hacking Russia's computers, and of revealing where Putin's hundreds of billions (of dollars, not rubles) are stashed. Obama even warned Putin face to face to "Cut it out." But there was no "or else." Obama did punish Russia after the election by expelling some Russian diplomats and seizing two Russian properties in the U.S. Obama could have done that and more six months earlier, when it would have made a difference, but he was afraid the Repubs would accuse him of election interference. This is all thoroughly documented.
https://www.salon.com/2016/12/16/oba...ssian-hacking/
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...tion-work.html

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2) Would Mitch McConnell and the Repubs have blocked every Democratic initiative if Obama had started talking about closing Army bases in Kentucky and Alabama?

Yes. Because presidents don't make those decisions; Congress does.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/97-305.pdf
Sure, the President can't literally close Army bases on his own. But he has enormous power over where federal facilities are built and maintained, where federal employees are assigned, and how federal money is spent. One of the first things Trump did was shut down the construction of a new FBI headquarters, a multi-billion-dollar project with bi-partisan Congressional support planned for more than a decade, that would have included redevelopment of the old FBI property in downtown Washington. It would have featured a new luxury hotel coincidentally across the street from Trump International. Dear Leader couldn't allow that! You might recall that Trump's Interior and Agriculture secretaries abruptly transferred hundreds of Washington-based professional staff to other parts of the country as part of an effort to shrink the departments. A President has a deep toolbox if he wants to use it.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump...b0a8f17eea199c
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3) You think Trump would have launched the birther nonsense if he thought he would pay a price?

LOL! What price could he have paid? He never said anything illegal that he could have been charged with a crime.
....
Again, it's not "all or nothing." The remedy to offensive speech is more speech. Obama could have kept entirely above the birther fray, and sent VP Biden and other Democratic leaders, including black officials, out to confront Trump for his overt racism. They could have promoted a campaign to ask businesses, particularly ones that license Trump's name, to disassociate themselves from a racist. It would have reduced the value of his brand, and we know Trump would never do anything that would cost him money. They could have quietly encouraged journalists to take a close look at Trump's sleazy businesses, his shady finances and his Mafia connections. Operators like LBJ and Nixon and Reagan would have swatted Trump like a fly and kept their own hands clean. Obama just pretended it was all beneath his notice. And then when he finally released his long-form birth certificate -- after three+ years -- it looked like Trump had bullied him into it. Maybe if Obama had humiliated Trump when the birther business started, there would be no President Trump today. I say again, nobody was afraid of Obama because he gave them no reason to be.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/polit...her/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/u...a-birther.html

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But it's not "all or nothing." Politics and diplomacy provide numerous levers, and experts learn which ones to pull and when. Obama actually did contemplate retaliation against Putin. There was discussion of public exposure, tougher sanctions, hacking Russia's computers, and of revealing where Putin's hundreds of billions (of dollars, not rubles) are stashed. Obama even warned Putin face to face to "Cut it out." But there was no "or else." Obama did punish Russia after the election by expelling some Russian diplomats and seizing two Russian properties in the U.S. Obama could have done that and more six months earlier, when it would have made a difference, but he was afraid the Repubs would accuse him of election interference. This is all thoroughly documented.
https://www.salon.com/2016/12/16/oba...ssian-hacking/
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...tion-work.html
"Politics and diplomacy provide numerous levers, and experts learn which ones to pull and when." True. And Obama made that choice along with the advice of his experts.

"And more"? Exactly what "more" would you suggest? Your reply reminds me of people screaming "Do something!" but when asked what that 'something' is, can't answer. You assume a lot when you claim that whatever the "more" might have been would have "made a difference".

And yes, the GOP would absolutely have accused Obama of election interference. Trump had already secured the nomination when Obama was informed of Putin's interference in late August. Trump would have been all over it with his accusations.

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Sure, the President can't literally close Army bases on his own. But he has enormous power over where federal facilities are built and maintained, where federal employees are assigned, and how federal money is spent.
But threatening to close down bases in KY and AL would have made McConnell and the Repubs afraid was your claim. That is what I addressed. In your opinion, Obama should have used threats that, if carried through, would have affected tens of thousands of lives in order to make McConnell and the Repubs "afraid" of him. That's something Trump would do because he's a petty, vengeful man.

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One of the first things Trump did was shut down the construction of a new FBI headquarters, a multi-billion-dollar project with bi-partisan Congressional support planned for more than a decade, that would have included redevelopment of the old FBI property in downtown Washington. It would have featured a new luxury hotel coincidentally across the street from Trump International. Dear Leader couldn't allow that! You might recall that Trump's Interior and Agriculture secretaries abruptly transferred hundreds of Washington-based professional staff to other parts of the country as part of an effort to shrink the departments. A President has a deep toolbox if he wants to use it.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump...b0a8f17eea199c
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Yep. A president who is a petty, vengeful man more interested in his own financial interests than the good of the country can do all kinds of things with his 'deep toolbox'. You think that what Trump did was a good thing and that's the kind of crap Obama should have done?


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Again, it's not "all or nothing." The remedy to offensive speech is more speech. Obama could have kept entirely above the birther fray, and sent VP Biden and other Democratic leaders, including black officials, out to confront Trump for his overt racism. They could have promoted a campaign to ask businesses, particularly ones that license Trump's name, to disassociate themselves from a racist. It would have reduced the value of his brand, and we know Trump would never do anything that would cost him money. They could have quietly encouraged journalists to take a close look at Trump's sleazy businesses, his shady finances and his Mafia connections. Operators like LBJ and Nixon and Reagan would have swatted Trump like a fly and kept their own hands clean. Obama just pretended it was all beneath his notice. And then when he finally released his long-form birth certificate -- after three+ years -- it looked like Trump had bullied him into it. Maybe if Obama had humiliated Trump when the birther business started, there would be no President Trump today. I say again, nobody was afraid of Obama because he gave them no reason to be.


https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/polit...her/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/u...a-birther.html
Oh, come on. Trump started all his birther nonsense back in 2011, long before he became a presidential candidate. Why on earth should Obama have sent anyone, much less his VP or Democratic officials, to confront Trump...a private citizen... about his racism at that time? Most people looked on that nonsense as just that: nonsense. Trump only made himself look foolish to most people. Doing what you suggest would just have given fuel to the CT nuts and Trump who would have claimed Obama was trying to silence them. And no, "the remedy to offensive speech" is NOT "more speech". That would only have given Trump the media attention he was really after.

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Maybe if Obama had humiliated Trump when the birther business started, there would be no President Trump today.
That's some jump in logic there.[b] First, Trump wasn't involved in the birther business until March, 2011 when he made his first public statements on Fox News. Obama released his BC, not "3+ years later" but on April 27, 2011, about a month after Trump made his first birther accusations. And that did humiliate Trump. Your need to blame Obama for Trump is nonsensical.
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I say again, nobody was afraid of Obama because he gave them no reason to be.
And I say again, what a load of crap.
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Operators like LBJ and Nixon and Reagan would have swatted Trump like a fly and kept their own hands clean.
Yeah, that's the kind of president we want!


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Obama just pretended it was all beneath his notice.
What else would you expect from a narcissistic elitist Kenyan?

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Maybe if Obama had humiliated Trump when the birther business started, there would be no President Trump today.
If 'humiliation' is a euphemism for killing him then you may be right - and Obama did have the tools to do that. But anything less is unlikely to have had the desired effect.
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Maybe if Obama had humiliated Trump when the birther business started, there would be no President Trump today.

Obama did humiliate Trump. By proving him wrong about the "birther business", by having larger crowds than him at the inauguration, much the same way that Hillary 'Lock-Her-Up' Clinton humiliated him by getting better nation-wide ratings (i.e. the popular vote) at the 2016 election.
Those were humiliations that he can neither forgive nor forget.
I fear what the Tyrant in Chief will do when the voters humiliate him in November:

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„Wenn der Krieg verloren geht, wird auch das Volk verloren sein. […] Es sei nicht notwendig, auf die Grundlagen, die das Volk zu seinem primitivsten Weiterleben braucht, Rücksicht zu nehmen. Im Gegenteil sei es besser, selbst diese Dinge zu zerstören. Denn das Volk hätte sich als das schwächere erwiesen und dem stärkeren Ostvolk gehöre dann ausschliesslich die Zukunft. Was nach dem Kampf übrigbliebe, seien ohnehin nur die Minderwertigen; denn die Guten seien gefallen.“
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„Der Zweck dieser ‚nunmehr gegen Deutschland gerichteten Massenmordaktion Hitlers‘ ist es, ‚die Deutschen dafür zu bestrafen, daß sie sich für einen heroischen Endkampf nicht mehr willig genug hingegeben, also der ihnen von Hitler bestimmten Rolle zuletzt entzogen hatten. Das war in Hitlers Augen ein todeswürdiges Verbrechen […] Tatsächlich war der Vorsatz Hitlers grausamer als der feindliche: Die feindlichen Armeen […] waren ja nicht darauf aus, die Grundlagen, die das deutsche Volk zu seinem primitivsten Weiterleben brauchte, zu zerstören.‘“
Nerobefehl (Wikipedia)
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”If the war is lost, the people will be lost, too. [...] It is not necessary to care about the basics that the people need for their most primitive life to continue. On the contrary, it is better to destroy these things yourself. Because the (German) people will have proven that it is weak and that the future belongs exclusively to the strong eastern (Russian) people. Anyway, only the inferior individuals will be left after the battle; because the good guys have died in the war.”
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"The purpose of ’what was now Hitler’s campaign of mass murder against Germany' was ’to punish the Germans for no longer being willing to devote themselves to the heroic final battle, that is, for having deserted from the role that Hitler had given them. In Hitler's eyes, this was a crime that they deserved to die for [...] In fact, Hitler's intentions were more cruel than those of the enemy: The armies of the enemy [...] were not out to destroy the basics that the people of Germany needed for its most primitive survival. ' "
Hitler's Nero Decree

Considering how much Trump admires the eastern enemy, I could imagine him wanting to go out in a blaze of (what he would consider) glory.

But will his fans, in and outside of the White House, still be loyal to Bunker Boy when he loses irrevocably? In these final months of his regime, he has already put together some kind of military force based on wannabe soldiers from the paramilitary forces that still back him up to fight against the American people in the streets of Portland and Chicago: Hitler Sent Old Men and Young Boys To Win World War II - A last desperate move that failed (The National Interest, Feb. 26, 2020)

The historian Ian Kershaw writes about Hitler's fans:
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Nicht so war es, dass die Deutschen die Wirklichkeit nicht sahen, vielmehr sahen sie von ihr weg.
Am Ende führte Hitler Krieg gegen Deutschland (Welt, Nov. 11, 2011)
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The point wasn't that the Germans didn't see reality, it was more a question of being in denial about it.
Towards the end, Hitler waged war against Germany
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I leave the thread alone for awhile and this is what the thread has come to? Another tired Nazi comparison?

Sad.
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Tyranny! Fascism! Nazis! Dangerously mentally ill!

Benghazi! Her emails! Clinton Cash! Vince Foster!

I’m not seeing a whole lot of difference in the quality of “argument” there.

I always thought Liberals/Progressives/Democrats/whatever were on the side of science and reason. But it’s clear to me that many really aren’t.
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Tyranny! Fascism! Nazis! Dangerously mentally ill!

Benghazi! Her emails! Clinton Cash! Vince Foster!

I’m not seeing a whole lot of difference in the quality of “argument” there.

I always thought Liberals/Progressives/Democrats/whatever were on the side of science and reason. But it’s clear to me that many really aren’t.
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Tyranny! Fascism! Nazis! Dangerously mentally ill!
I thought it was "person, woman, man, camera, TV"?


If you have someone saying that it's difficult to remember five words, then I'd suggest that indicates cognitive impairment.

Especially when combined with all other information.

And Mary Trump seems to have a lot of in-depth knowledge that an psychiatrist would have to work years for, and has technical knowledge. So her statements should be listened to if you think you are unable to form a judgement from Trump's documented behaviour and statements.


Basically, the POTUS is NOT a private citizen and his health should be a matter of public concern.
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Tyranny! Fascism! Nazis! Dangerously mentally ill!

Benghazi! Her emails! Clinton Cash! Vince Foster!

I’m not seeing a whole lot of difference in the quality of “argument” there.

I always thought Liberals/Progressives/Democrats/whatever were on the side of science and reason. But it’s clear to me that many really aren’t.

Tyranny! Fascism! Nazis! Dangerously mentally ill!
Benghazi! Her emails! Clinton Cash! Vince Foster!
I’m not seeing a whole lot of difference in the quality of “argument” there.
I always thought Liberals/Progressives/Democrats/whatever were on the side of science and reason.
But it’s clear to me that many really aren’t.
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Photographic evidence of what appear to be issues w/the president's right arm (drinking water) right foot and slightly droopy right side of face (Axios vid); Slight paralysis of a leg, arm or one side of face is a classic sign of a stroke.

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8h

Doctors should weigh in on:

Photographic evidence of what appear to be issues w/the president's right arm (drinking water) right foot and slightly droopy right side of face (Axios vid); Slight paralysis of a leg, arm or one side of face is a classic sign of a stroke.



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President Trump has the best body, blood and heart of any human who has walked this earth. Even doctors cannot understand it.
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They are so trying to piss him off.
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They are so trying to piss him off.
And you know they are! Trumplethinskin isn't that hard to piss off when he's mocked.
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Tyranny! Fascism! Nazis! Dangerously mentally ill!

Benghazi! Her emails! Clinton Cash! Vince Foster!

I’m not seeing a whole lot of difference in the quality of “argument” there.
You don't? That's disconcerting.

The first set is various causes for concern about the person in charge of running the USA, with factual backing. Trump does exhibit very worrying symptoms of mental decline and/or mental disorders. He is way too friendly towards Nazis, and his regime has some pretty clear facist traits, to put it that way. And I suppose one could argue that violent supression of peaceful demonstrators is a tyrannical move.

The other is a bunch of knee-jerk whataboutisms, several of them blown out of all proportions, that trumpkins use to derail discussions about same.
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The most effective way Obama could have headed off Trump would have been sending in the Army to deal with the Bundy Insurrection on Day One.
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