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Old 28th March 2020, 01:46 PM   #81
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I went over to townhall.com to see what they might be saying.


When I started this thread, I asked for examples praising President Trump, because I couldn't understand how anyone could be doing that. I'm noticing an interesting phenomenon, though. When it comes to anyone who actually comments on this stuff widely, no one seems to be praising Trump. They continue to bash Democrats, but they don't actually say that Trump is doing a great job.

Some of the "second tier" blogs, i.e. widely read amateurs, sometimes give him some faint praise by noting his popularity, and how much that bugs the liberals.

I also noticed today's search had significantly less denialism. Maybe when your nation moves to the top of the charts in cases, and is rapidly catching up on deaths, it becomes harder to deny there's a problem? The most common theme lately seems to be that those awful Democrats included pork barrel spending in the two trillion dollar bailout.
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Old 28th March 2020, 02:44 PM   #82
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Old 28th March 2020, 03:01 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
"We're are, at most, about 10 days away from having to listen to semantic arguments about what qualifies as a mass grave." - Internet Comment I read
On here? I can totally see that.
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Old 28th March 2020, 04:43 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
I was about to post a similar link. The USA hasn't quite earned the right to have it named after the country yet. It will probably take a couple of weeks before America overtakes contestants like Italy or Spain, but with Trump's Easter celebrations coming up, it's bound to happen sooner or later.
With epicenters in NYC and New Orleans.

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Old 28th March 2020, 04:53 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
Why Was It Called the 'Spanish Flu?'


Full (short) article here:
https://www.history.com/news/why-was...he-spanish-flu

It's still possible that it might eventually be called the "American Virus".
Yeah, but that's not what they were saying. They're saying, "America is bad, corona virus is bad. Therefore it should be named the American virus."

Also, how gullible do you have to be to believe the Chinese government's data?
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Old 28th March 2020, 05:01 PM   #86
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
I went over to townhall.com to see what they might be saying.


When I started this thread, I asked for examples praising President Trump, because I couldn't understand how anyone could be doing that. I'm noticing an interesting phenomenon, though. When it comes to anyone who actually comments on this stuff widely, no one seems to be praising Trump. They continue to bash Democrats, but they don't actually say that Trump is doing a great job.

Some of the "second tier" blogs, i.e. widely read amateurs, sometimes give him some faint praise by noting his popularity, and how much that bugs the liberals.

I also noticed today's search had significantly less denialism. Maybe when your nation moves to the top of the charts in cases, and is rapidly catching up on deaths, it becomes harder to deny there's a problem? The most common theme lately seems to be that those awful Democrats included pork barrel spending in the two trillion dollar bailout.
Why are you looking for people "praising" Trump? Toward what end?
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Yeah, but that's not what they were saying. They're saying, "America is bad, corona virus is bad. Therefore it should be named the American virus."

Also, how gullible do you have to be to believe the Chinese government's data?
About as gullible as to believe anything coming out of Trump's mouth.

Lies and misleading statements documented in Trump's first 3 years (Jan.20, 2017- Jan. 20, 2010): 16,241

Average number of lies/misleading claims per day in 2019: 22
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
About as gullible as to believe anything coming out of Trump's mouth.

Lies and misleading statements documented in Trump's first 3 years (Jan.20, 2017- Jan. 20, 2010): 16,241

Average number of lies/misleading claims per day in 2019: 22
Talk about gullible. That stupid "Trump has 16,000 Lies!!!" website is an IQ test that many posters on here have failed.
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bout as gullible as to believe anything coming out of Trump's mouth.

Lies and misleading statements documented in Trump's first 3 years (Jan.20, 2017- Jan. 20, 2010): 16,241

Average number of lies/misleading claims per day in 2019: 22:
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
The Trumpers don't care that Trump lies. Facts don't exist anymore.
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Old 28th March 2020, 06:59 PM   #92
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
Why are you looking for people "praising" Trump? Toward what end?
I saw that his job approval polls had gone up, and I couldn't understand how that could possibly be true. There were obviously people who thought he was doing a good job. I wanted to know what they were saying.
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Old 28th March 2020, 07:12 PM   #93
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I saw that his job approval polls had gone up, and I couldn't understand how that could possibly be true. There were obviously people who thought he was doing a good job. I wanted to know what they were saying.
I suspect it is a relative percentage rise, not that there are more people who approve of his leadership (if that's what you call it).

Sort of like this:

You have 100 people surveyed. 45 say Trump is doing well, 55 say he is a pile of possum poop in a skin suit. Thus 45% (45/100) approve, 55% (55/100) disapprove.

Enter COVID-19.

Survey the same 100 people. Same 45 say Trump is doing well, 30 say they are rather busy right now with COVID-19 related issues, and 25 say he is still a pile of possum poop in a skin suit. Thus 64% (45/70) approval, while 36% (25/70) disapprove.

His rating has gone up.
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Old 28th March 2020, 07:17 PM   #94
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When you look at how the ratings of other presidents who have had to handle a crisis have gone up, Trump's approval is not that impressive.
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Old 28th March 2020, 07:20 PM   #95
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
I suspect it is a relative percentage rise, not that there are more people who approve of his leadership (if that's what you call it).

Sort of like this:

You have 100 people surveyed. 45 say Trump is doing well, 55 say he is a pile of possum poop in a skin suit. Thus 45% (45/100) approve, 55% (55/100) disapprove.

Enter COVID-19.

Survey the same 100 people. Same 45 say Trump is doing well, 30 say they are rather busy right now with COVID-19 related issues, and 25 say he is still a pile of possum poop in a skin suit. Thus 64% (45/70) approval, while 36% (25/70) disapprove.

His rating has gone up.
It's possible. I know that electoral polls are horribly skewed because some people are more likely to talk to pollsters than others, and there is a correlation with voting patterns. (Republicans are more likely to tell pollsters to take a hike, so the raw numbers skew toward Democrats.)

Another possibility is that the way they ask the question skews the numbers. If you ask me how Donald Trump is doing recently, there are days when I would say he is doing just fine, that day. If you catch me on one of those days, I might say fine, depending on how the question is phrased.

Overall, though, it's definitely possum poop.
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Old 28th March 2020, 07:21 PM   #96
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When you look at how the ratings of other presidents who have had to handle a crisis have gone up, Trump's approval is not that impressive.
Yes. It's a weird phenomenon in a way.

"Man, things totally suck right now. I'm sure glad the President is doing such a great job."
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Yes. It's a weird phenomenon in a way.

"Man, things totally suck right now. I'm sure glad the President is doing such a great job."
It's consoling to think our leaders know what they're doing in a time of crisis...even if the evidence says otherwise.
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Trump called the Virus a hoax, he blamed poor preparations by other countries for the deaths they had. He said America should all be back at work by Easter. He called for New York to be quarantined. He called for social distancing then handed out pens.

People with Alzheimer's hold on to an opinion longer than Trump.
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The best strategy will come out but large parts of America have bucked the trend, and not taken distancing seriously, or soon enough. I expect America to have a higher death rate than many other countries. The lack of leadership and the messages from Trump will be seen by by historians as being a contributing factor.

His supporters however will remember the hits and talk about a difficult ever changing position.
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From some FB observations:

One very smug meme that was going around declared to 'here to break it to all you of the morons who call themselves journalists', and goes on to inform us that COVID stands for 'Chinese Originated Viral Infectious Disease' and the 19 stands for the 19th virus to come out of China.

Yeah, no.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/does-covid-stand-for/

Of course when that link was posted in reply the response came "bUt sNOpes hAs a lIBeRaL bIAs!!!!!!!11"

A weaker meme running around is complaining that the DNC funded the Center for Arts or something, and voted congress a 25% pay raise while all this has been happening. Nearest thing about a pay raise I could find was back in June of 2019.

Facts. Who needs 'em.
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
From some FB observations:

One very smug meme that was going around declared to 'here to break it to all you of the morons who call themselves journalists', and goes on to inform us that COVID stands for 'Chinese Originated Viral Infectious Disease' and the 19 stands for the 19th virus to come out of China.

Yeah, no.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/does-covid-stand-for/

Of course when that link was posted in reply the response came "bUt sNOpes hAs a lIBeRaL bIAs!!!!!!!11"

A weaker meme running around is complaining that the DNC funded the Center for Arts or something, and voted congress a 25% pay raise while all this has been happening. Nearest thing about a pay raise I could find was back in June of 2019.

Facts. Who needs 'em.
I'd seen it, and knew the "19" part of it was wrong, since I already knew the "19" referred to 2019 as the year of it's initial identification. Knowing that, I was reasonable sure the "COVID" part was likely wrong too, but not 100% sure.
Since I already ignore 99% of that nonsense when I see it, I did the same, but it did raise the question in my mind as to what the "COVID" part did mean, but I'd been too distracted by kids putting 2/3's of a roll of TP down the pipe in one sitting, and cleaning up the after effects, to give it any further thought or research.
So, thanks, now I know.
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The Trumpers don't care that Trump lies. Facts don't exist anymore.
Republicans haven't let facts bother them for years long before Trump was elected. I think it was Cheney that said what matters is what feels true, not what's actually true.
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These folks don't seem to care too much about the virus:

https://www.tmz.com/2020/03/29/chruc...virus-worship/
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Trump called the Virus a hoax, he blamed poor preparations by other countries for the deaths they had. He said America should all be back at work by Easter. He called for New York to be quarantined. He called for social distancing then handed out pens.

People with Alzheimer's hold on to an opinion longer than Trump.
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The best strategy will come out but large parts of America have bucked the trend, and not taken distancing seriously, or soon enough. I expect America to have a higher death rate than many other countries. The lack of leadership and the messages from Trump will be seen by by historians as being a contributing factor.

His supporters however will remember the hits and talk about a difficult ever changing position.
No, he did not so please stop repeating this false claim. Not a single fact-finding source (Politifact, Snopes, FactCheck) supports that claim. He was referring to the Dems politicization of the virus crisis, not the virus itself. Facts matter. Repeat false claims and it only feeds into Trump's claims of "fake news".
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These folks don't seem to care too much about the virus:

https://www.tmz.com/2020/03/29/chruc...virus-worship/
Nature has a way of weeding out the stupid. This is one.
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Another spotted RW meme:

"remember when the Swine Flu infected millions & the DOW crashed in 2009, and everyone blamed Obama? Me neither..."

The DOW went up 40% over the entire period of the Swine Flu.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepat.../#7a826619448d
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Another spotted RW meme:

"remember when the Swine Flu infected millions & the DOW crashed in 2009, and everyone blamed Obama? Me neither..."

The DOW went up 40% over the entire period of the Swine Flu.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepat.../#7a826619448d
"Everyone" didn't blame Obama as the Dow crashed in 2008 before Obama became president. It began its long and steady climb in early March, 2009 less than 3 months after Obama's inauguration. Well...some right wingers like Republican economist Art Laffer have blamed Obama. Fact are just a nuisance to them that get in the way of what they want to believe.
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No, he did not so please stop repeating this false claim. Not a single fact-finding source (Politifact, Snopes, FactCheck) supports that claim. He was referring to the Dems politicization of the virus crisis, not the virus itself. Facts matter. Repeat false claims and it only feeds into Trump's claims of "fake news".
He did not literally call it a hoax, he only implied it and treated it as such. These false claims will make no difference to Trumpanzees that believe it to be a media hoax.
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"Everyone" didn't blame Obama as the Dow crashed in 2008 before Obama became president. It began its long and steady climb in early March, 2009 less than 3 months after Obama's inauguration. Well...some right wingers like Republican economist Art Laffer have blamed Obama. Fact are just a nuisance to them that get in the way of what they want to believe.
At this point these folks are pointing at any drop in the DOW during that era and calling it a "crash". The biggest "crash" I could find that was related to the H1N1 virus in that time was 51 points.

CRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSHHH!!
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Also in the right wing buzz there is an awful lot of talk of hydroxycholorquine. Here's a headline today over at townhall.com.

Michigan Governor Cracks Down on Possible Life Saving Drug Amid Coronavirus Pandemic
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He did not literally call it a hoax, he only implied it and treated it as such. These false claims will make no difference to Trumpanzees that believe it to be a media hoax.
No, that is how some inferred it according to their own bias. However, there is no doubt that is exactly what that ad is implying.

Many Trumpers are beyond seeing anything that does not confirm their bias, but I'm also seeing that from many anti-Trumpers who cannot admit that the ad is misleading. I deplore misleading/lying ads no matter which side is producing them.
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The ad only states that Trump did not take the virus seriously. The ad is accurate.
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The Trump apologists are sounding more and more like a mob lawyer trying to convince a jury that "Noooo... my client didn't threaten the shop owner, he just commented on how nice of a place the shop owner had and how much of a shame it would be if something happened to it..."
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The ad only states that Trump did not take the virus seriously. The ad is accurate.
No, it does not only state that. I suggest you watch the ad again.


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The ad shows the president saying both "coronavirus" and "this is their new hoax" to make it appear as though his full quote was, "Coronavirus, this is their new hoax."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...navirus-a-hoax

Frame one followed immediate by frame 2:




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The ad is comprised mostly of snippets of Trump quotes. I'm not convinced that the ad is misleading at all. The message is that Trump didn't take it seriously.
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Old 29th March 2020, 04:03 PM   #115
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
The ad is comprised mostly of snippets of Trump quotes. I'm not convinced that the ad is misleading at all. The message is that Trump didn't take it seriously.
The rest of the ad does but "The coronavirus...it's their new hoax" has NOTHING to do with the message that Trump didn't take it seriously. It is intended to suggest that Trump called the virus a hoax. He did not no matter how you try and spin it.

Take off your bias blinders. Your world is not going to fall apart and your well founded dislike of Trump is not going to be undermined by admitting that part of the ad is misleading. There truly are none so blind as those who will not see.
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Old 29th March 2020, 04:22 PM   #116
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
No, he did not so please stop repeating this false claim. Not a single fact-finding source (Politifact, Snopes, FactCheck) supports that claim. He was referring to the Dems politicization of the virus crisis, not the virus itself. Facts matter. Repeat false claims and it only feeds into Trump's claims of "fake news".
Minimizing the severity of the virus is saying that the virus is not a threat, hence the Dem claim is a hoax. This is no different than calling the virus itself a hoax. It dismisses the threat.
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Sadly, I think the death rate in the USA will be higher than of other nations because we don't have enough respirators to treat the many that will become infected. I believe we are already there even though the official numbers don't say so because I don't trust those numbers as I believe the Trump regime will do whatever it can to suppress the data.
I've already seen at least one video go up from a nurse who said at her hospital people are being "sent home to die". That's how bad it is.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
You lost me.
Frankly, conservatives were lost a long time ago.
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
Definitely the overriding theme is to deny the severity of the problem.

I hope they're right.
Originally Posted by Shalamar View Post
I really do as well.

I hope that everyone limits contact, stays home when possible, so that the conservatives can point and yell 'Told you it wouldn't be bad!'
Pro Tip: they aren't right.
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Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive View Post
Minimizing the severity of the virus is saying that the virus is not a threat, hence the Dem claim is a hoax. This is no different than calling the virus itself a hoax. It dismisses the threat.
Sigh. You are spinning this to fit your bias because you want it to be true so badly. That is being intellectually dishonest.

This from SNOPES:

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On the last Friday of February 2020, U.S. President Donald Trump held a campaign rally in South Carolina and made comments during a speech in which he accused Democrats of “politicizing” the coronavirus outbreak that left many with the impression that he had referred to the virus itself as a “hoax.”
In context, Trump did not say in the passage above that the virus itself was a hoax. He instead said that Democrats’ criticism of his administration’s response to it was a hoax.
I just find it very sad when people are so entrenched in their own biases that they lose all objectivity. They would rather dig in and double down than admit they are wrong.
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