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Old 8th July 2020, 12:49 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I don't think there's any mystery as to what gets to Trump. He hates to be mocked. He hates to have his intelligence questioned. He hates to be compared to greater men/women and shown to be lacking. It's not difficult to make ads or make speeches using those.
I think he has as-of-yet unexplored daddy issues and guilt about the death of his brother.
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Old 8th July 2020, 01:01 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I don't think there's any mystery as to what gets to Trump. He hates to be mocked. He hates to have his intelligence questioned. He hates to be compared to greater men/women and shown to be lacking. It's not difficult to make ads or make speeches using those.
He doesn't like people close to him talking about him behind his back. He knows they do, from news reports and the recent spate of "tell-all" books such as Bolton's. The Lincoln project is also tugging that chain right now.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9606021.html
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Old 8th July 2020, 01:03 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I think he has as-of-yet unexplored daddy issues and guilt about the death of his brother.
Daddy issues quite probably. But why would he feel guilt about his brother's death?
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I think he has as-of-yet unexplored daddy issues and guilt about the death of his brother.
Feelings of guilt require a conscience. So, no.
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Old 8th July 2020, 01:53 AM   #45
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Daddy issues quite probably. But why would he feel guilt about his brother's death?
Alcohol abuse and Suicide doesnt suggest a supportive family.
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Old 8th July 2020, 04:01 AM   #46
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This article has a few more assertions from the book.

Perhaps the least surprising is that Trump once complimented Mary's boobs. He's said the same (and worse) in public about his daughter, so why wouldn't he say the same in private about his niece?
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Old 8th July 2020, 05:05 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
The cool thing about the SAT story is that, even though it's fifty years old, it's something that people can relate to. They might have trouble thinking about bankrupt casinos, or tough decisions in the situation room, or being wealthy enough that porn stars will spank you just because they want something from you, but they can relate to the SAT, and they can know that the smart people didn't have to pay someone to take the test for them.

Allegedly, of course.
Sadly I can see this being shrugged off as "wouldn't you have liked someone else to sit your SAT" or "See he was smart back then, didn't waste his time with liberal education crap he was already making money".
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Old 8th July 2020, 05:08 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Yeah shocking would have been learning he was incredible sympathetic and supportive to people, how he quietly paid out for an ex-employee's son to have medical treatment and so on.

Being Trump isn't shocking when you are Trump.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
This article has a few more assertions from the book.

Perhaps the least surprising is that Trump once complimented Mary's boobs. He's said the same (and worse) in public about his daughter, so why wouldn't he say the same in private about his niece?
I've always said that the world leader from antiquity who Trump is the most like is Gaius Germanicus (Caligula) based on their mutual interest in incest.
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
I've always said that the world leader from antiquity who Trump is the most like is Gaius Germanicus (Caligula) based on their mutual interest in incest.
You forgot to add the God complex.

ETA: Though to be fair, deification of emperors was pretty common.
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I've always said that the world leader from antiquity who Trump is the most like is Gaius Germanicus (Caligula) based on their mutual interest in incest.
Three points of difference immediately strike me: 1) Caligula was reported to be very attractive, 2) despite the reputation that lingered in popular consciousness, Caligula was actually popular with the regular people at the time, and 3) after Mary's book revelations, it sounds like Caligula's family was less toxic to grow up in!

eta: the historical leader Trump puts me most in mind of is Peter III of Russia. Pity Melania's no Catherine!
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Yeah Caligula's reputation may have been trumped up (pun intended) by his enemies.
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Oh, another book about Trump and how awful and stupid and mean he is.

That's shocking, who knew...

Does anyone remember the super scandalous book... written by Bolt or something like that. I don't know, it was ages ago, like three weeks.
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Oh, another book about Trump and how awful and stupid and mean he is.
Yeah, but with this one the calls are coming from inside the house!!!
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Lesson of the Book:

if you don't want your relatives to air your dirty laundry, give them better Christmas gifts for crying out loud!
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Three points of difference immediately strike me: 1) Caligula was reported to be very attractive, 2) despite the reputation that lingered in popular consciousness, Caligula was actually popular with the regular people at the time, and 3) after Mary's book revelations, it sounds like Caligula's family was less toxic to grow up in!

eta: the historical leader Trump puts me most in mind of is Peter III of Russia. Pity Melania's no Catherine!
Caligula's adoptive father Tiberius had his father murdered and forced him to live on an island with him and his cousin whom he later adopted. Gaius later killed his adoptive son/cousin and probably his mother. That seems just slightly more toxic than Trump's family though there are comparisons to Donny's role in his brother's death.
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Lesson of the Book:

if you don't want your relatives to air your dirty laundry, give them better Christmas gifts for crying out loud!
I think in this case, it's don't make your relatives afraid you're going to blow up the world they live on.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Lesson of the Book:

if you don't want your relatives to air your dirty laundry, give them better Christmas gifts a fair share of the inheritance for crying out loud!
Sorry, had to fix that.
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Caligula's adoptive father Tiberius had his father murdered and forced him to live on an island with him and his cousin whom he later adopted. Gaius later killed his adoptive son/cousin and probably his mother. That seems just slightly more toxic than Trump's family though there are comparisons to Donny's role in his brother's death.
Since we're exchanging information, here's something:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humour
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Sorry, had to fix that.
What inheritance?

Trump pissed that away the moment he got it.
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What inheritance?

Trump pissed that away the moment he got it.
No Fred Trump sr. cut the kids of Fred Trump Jr out of the bulk of an equitable inheritence. So it would be the inheritence from Don's father.

But as a family so heavily knowledgeable about the value of good breeding why waste money on the spawn of some worthless drunk?
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I know. But that 50 years ago. Frankly, if Trump was actually a genius I wouldn't care. I know the system works for wealthy. The frat a close friend of mine attended, that stuff was status quo. The rich kids would party and schmooze and then pay the smart kids at the frat to do their work for them.
When I was a student at college in Golden Colorado a friend was always taking tests for kids at Boulder. He eventually flunked out while he was acing tests for others.
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No Fred Trump sr. cut the kids of Fred Trump Jr out of the bulk of an equitable inheritence. So it would be the inheritence from Don's father.

But as a family so heavily knowledgeable about the value of good breeding why waste money on the spawn of some worthless drunk?

Aparently near the end of his life Fred -- likely at Donald's instigation -- cut Fred Jr.'s family out by moviing most of his assets into trusts to shield them from probate so only a small percentage could be divided among his children, then explicitly cut Fred Jr.'s children out completely. Mary has said she didn't find out how badly her family had been cheated until she was conducting research for her book.
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When Donald Trump’s father, Fred Sr., died in 1999, the roughly $20 million inheritance was divided up among his children and their descendants, “other than my son Fred C. Trump Jr.,” according to the Times.

Donald Trump had helped draft the will. At the time, Freddy Trump’s children sued, claiming Donald Trump and his siblings had used “undue influence” over their grandfather, who had dementia.

Donald retaliated by withdrawing the medical benefits he had promised to his nephew’s infant son, who suffered from seizures that led to cerebral palsy, according to the Times.
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...d-his-brothers
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Aparently near the end of his life Fred -- likely at Donald's instigation -- cut Fred Jr.'s family out by moviing most of his assets into trusts to shield them from probate so only a small percentage could be divided among his children, then explicitly cut Fred Jr.'s children out completely. Mary has said she didn't find out how badly her family had been cheated until she was conducting research for her book.

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...d-his-brothers
Yep thought that was fairly common knowledge.
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Aparently near the end of his life Fred -- likely at Donald's instigation -- cut Fred Jr.'s family out by moviing most of his assets into trusts to shield them from probate so only a small percentage could be divided among his children, then explicitly cut Fred Jr.'s children out completely. Mary has said she didn't find out how badly her family had been cheated until she was conducting research for her book.

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...d-his-brothers
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Alcohol abuse and Suicide doesnt suggest a supportive family.
This has nothing to do with Trump but drug abuse and suicide happens in loving supportive families. I donít know the % though.
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This man has no soul, literal or metaphorical.
People often take alcoholIcs and drug addicts out of their wills.
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Perhaps the least surprising is that Trump once complimented Mary's boobs.
Crazy. Some people just can't take a compliment.

ETA: And he gave her a chance with a ghost-writing project, probably after she "begged" like Bolton. Trump's generous, but others are ungrateful.
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People often take alcoholIcs and drug addicts out of their wills.
Trump screws everyone over.
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People often take alcoholIcs and drug addicts out of their wills.
Well it makes sense that the Fred jr wasn't in the will he was dead before his father, and like all proper households the sins of the father are passed onto his children
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People often take alcoholIcs and drug addicts out of their wills.

Whether or not that's generally true, the fact here is that the will was re-written after Fred Jr. died to cut his wife and children out of the estate. Pure malice.
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Any indication that this book is moving the needle on public perception of Trump?

Seems like catnip for people who already take a dim view of the man, and something easily ignored by his supporters.
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This man has no soul, literal or metaphorical.
The people with no souls are the ones who feel cheated out of an inheritance. You cannot be cheated out of something that was never yours to begin with.
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Well it makes sense that the Fred jr wasn't in the will he was dead before his father, and like all proper households the sins of the father are passed onto his children
Sorry my misunderstanding. Even if the son was still alive I would have advised a generation skipping trust for those grandchildren.
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Sorry my misunderstanding. Even if the son was still alive I would have advised a generation skipping trust for those grandchildren.
Which is why you will never be the great family man our president is.
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Which is why you will never be the great family man our president is.
He can identify at least two of his children on sight! Jared counts, right?
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He can identify at least two of his children on sight! Jared counts, right?
I don't know I think he was disinherited after advocating too much "woke %*$^".

https://www.axios.com/trump-kushner-...b6742c139.html
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Sorry my misunderstanding. Even if the son was still alive I would have advised a generation skipping trust for those grandchildren.
Trump had plenty of lawyers. The results are no accident. It's clear that Fred Sr. and Donald wanted to screw over Fred Jr.'s family.
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Daddy issues quite probably. But why would he feel guilt about his brother's death?
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Alcohol abuse and Suicide doesnt suggest a supportive family.
Not necessarily. A lot of people with drug/alchohol abuse problems have supportive families and still commit suicide. However, Fred Jr. did not commit suicide. He'd died from a heart attack.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
However, Fred Jr. did not commit suicide. He'd died from a heart attack.
Probably a gesture to Donald, who doesn't have one.
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