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Old 24th July 2020, 10:51 PM   #361
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Originally Posted by HoverBoarder View Post
From that quote:
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"Last night, a small number of demonstrators provoked conflict. Last night, a small handful of rioters continued to hurt our city. They were violent. They harassed reporters and threatened our first responders."
All those forces and they had to go Rambo just to control a "small" number of protesters? Does not compute.
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Old 24th July 2020, 11:17 PM   #362
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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
This reddit post with accompanying video is entitles 'Portland is a Warzone'.

After watching the video, it's hard to argue.


https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak..._is_a_warzone/
No Molotovs? No pipebombs? No nothing?

That's not a warzone, which would imply two factions warring it out, that's simply a one-sided application of violence.
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Old 25th July 2020, 12:03 AM   #363
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Originally Posted by HoverBoarder View Post
All of these people? Looks like they've invited reinforcements.

And Cheeto Benito wonders why other cities are saying "no thanks"?
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Originally Posted by caveman1917 View Post
No Molotovs? No pipebombs? No nothing?

That's not a warzone, which would imply two factions warring it out, that's simply a one-sided application of violence.
Now that I actually gotten around to watching it... that's pretty much what it looks like. A one sided application of violence - and definitely not up to what I would consider "warzone" levels of violence, even. Calling that a warzone also feels like it's quite... disrespectful to the various places around the world that actually are lethal warzones and plays into the right-wing efforts to make things sound a lot worse for political gain.
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Those people are dangerous. Only violent rioters stand in a wall with their hands behind their backs and no weapons to be seen. If they open-carried, then they would truly be peaceful protesters.....
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Those people are dangerous. Only violent rioters stand in a wall with their hands behind their backs and no weapons to be seen. If they open-carried, then they would truly be peaceful protesters.....
So they are there to prevent all of the damage from their side than? No more setting buildings on fire? No more attacking officers?

Cool, problem solved. There is literally NO NEED for the Feds to come out of the building after multiple warnings to the protesters to stop their attacks.


You do understand that they are using instigated video byte tactics right?
  • Show a video clip of people standing in a line solemn and serene, and cut the clip.
  • Have those same people do absolutely nothing while their side sets fires, and attacks officers.
  • Listen while loudspeakers instruct them to halt their violence. Wait for it, not ready for the next video clip.
  • Engage in more violence, and ignore all warnings.
  • Start the video clip as the Feds finally come out of their building and fire some tear gas to clear those agitators starting the violence, AND THE PEOPLE PROTECTING THEM, temporarily away from the building.
  • Get some cool shots of people in gas masks playing hockey with the canisters and blowing away the smoke with leaf blowers.
  • Mock fake outrage. How DARE they!! Yell some stuff about Feds who should kill themselves, and a bunch of other supah cool anti police slogans. 'Did they not see those people in front with their hands behind their backs? OMG?!?!' (those same people who gave cover to those starting the violence).
  • Repeat until they are tired and go home for the night.


There literally would be no Portland Fed 'invasion and attack' story if people like that actually stopped their side from attacking Federal buildings and people in it.



It would be like a TV Drama called "responsible people, making responsible choices." No one wants to watch that. The same reason most people are not watching the actual demonstrations about Black Lives Matter. This is sucking all of the Oxygen out of the room, and all of the media coverage with it. For better or worse, these attacks, and choreographed violence video clips are what many people Nationally and Internationally are seeing from the BLM protests right now.

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Originally Posted by HoverBoarder View Post

You do understand that they are using instigated video byte tactics right?
Prove it.
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I found this very informative. I'm assuming it's accurate until someone shows me otherwise.

Apologies if it's been posted before.

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Stories starting to circulate that a some of the Federal 'troops' are actually contractors from Constellis and Academi (good old Blackwater, Triple Canopy as it was formerly)
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Old 25th July 2020, 04:03 AM   #370
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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
I found this very informative. I'm assuming it's accurate until someone shows me otherwise.

Apologies if it's been posted before.

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Likely is, knowing him, he at the very least does a decent amount of research and calls in other associates to speak on it when he truly doesn't know. The problem is that they've gone far beyond what they're allowed - which is why the once-dwindling protests now look that part where everyone assembles in Endgame. (or alternately, that time he suddenly started detaining muslims at airports about 3 1/2 years ago)

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Those people are dangerous. Only violent rioters stand in a wall with their hands behind their backs and no weapons to be seen. If they open-carried, then they would truly be peaceful protesters.....
Parade Rest - Had to look it up, since I've only worked with military vets on occasion. I think it's the wall of vets PDX up front, the wall of dads leaf-blowers behind them with their hands up behind them, and the wall of moms with their hands up behind *them* - with assorted people after the walls.

(And yes, the later tweets show people cutting into fences, and shining green lasers towards whoever these goons are - after they start their usual routine of firing into the crowd, which could permanently blind a person if it's too powerful, but... look, if Dolt 45 wants his war, *and* chemical agents and the like are being deployed during a respiratory pandemic...*shrug* don't expect the civilians to play nice.)

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Old 25th July 2020, 04:29 AM   #371
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They were singing "Hands up, please don't shoot us"
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U.S. District Court Judge Michael Mosman denies an order sought by Oregon AG Ellen Rosenblum to stop federal agents from arresting people during protests in Portland.

Judge Mosman ruled the state lacks standing to sue on behalf of protesters.
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U.S. District Court Judge Michael Mosman denies an order sought by Oregon AG Ellen Rosenblum to stop federal agents from arresting people during protests in Portland.

Judge Mosman ruled the state lacks standing to sue on behalf of protesters.
How about on behalf of the city?
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Conspiracy. Change "car rental" to "bomb parts" and the logic remains sound. Since they both ignored, or intentionally flouted GSA rules and guidelines in vehicle procurement, they don't come in with clean hands.

Govt. Paper pusher Smith knows this because he underwent some training when getting the credit card.


If you'd read the rules, perhaps you can build a scenario that follows them : https://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/Do...lAgreement.pdf
In addition to Ziggaraut's and Belz...'s posts, your evidence also indicates that payment can be made using cash, govt or personal check, money orders, a variety of cards, and specifies that no card need be presented at all to reserve and rent.

So your evidence 100% supports my proposition. Even reinforces it more, as I would not have expected cash provisions and the explicit 'any G-man can drive or ride' provisions. There is no way to attach a name to the thugs on the street, from the rental paperwork.
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Old 25th July 2020, 09:29 AM   #375
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Prove it.
The only reason any Feds are on the scene is because the few FSP officers on the scene were continually being attacked without any assistance from the Mayor to deescalate. with no one providing any help to stop the violence, they called on DHS and its organization to help. Even though they were not trained for it, they were given no other choice.

Whatever tactic you want to call it, it looks like the (one way) "wall" of dads, moms, and vets are not able to stop the violence from their side.

Why are they not able to stop the protesters from starting fires?


The feds have been repainting the courthouse with fire resistant paint to stop the fires from spreading so they are less likely to have to come out to a violent situation.




If the violence from the protesters stops, the violence stops. What is the safest way to do that without giving the protesters a free pass to destroy building, start fires, and attack people. When the police pulled back in Seattle, people died because of the actions of the protesters there.

What is the safe way to deescalate this situation?
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Why, if actions are reasonable, is there a desire to 'leave no evidence'.

Is this police speak for just tidying up after oneself?


https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_...e_no_evidence/
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The only reason any Feds are on the scene is because the few FSP officers on the scene were continually being attacked without any assistance from the Mayor to deescalate. with no one providing any help to stop the violence, they called on DHS and its organization to help. Even though they were not trained for it, they were given no other choice.
A good example of "When all you have is goons, everything is an ISIS attack." Find the actual perpetrators of crimes, do not attack every protestor, minister, jogger, and cyclist that enters the area for the entire night. The "Feds" solve nothing, and have neither the command structure nor the knowledge to do so. Their body language screams "I'm afraid."

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Why are they not able to stop the protesters from starting fires?
Put the fire out and ask for the arsonist. Do not fire flashbangs, fire-spewing canisters of teargas, and other incendiary devices.

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If the violence from the protesters stops, the violence stops.
False. The protests, and the Black Lives Matter movement, are entirely a reaction to violence inflicted on black people by police and white wannabes like George Zimmerman, and the complete refusal by the US to address it. In fact, it was Zimmerman's absurd acquittal that inspired the movement's creation. You've confused cause and effect

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What is the safest way to do that without giving the protesters a free pass to destroy building, start fires, and attack people.
Make Cheeto's goons abandon the area. Dolt 45 has, as always, failed spectacularly, and made the situation far worse. His goons are less organized than the protestors have been, and vastly more hated. The protestors will either leave, or damage the place. Police it the normal way. Further protesters will not form Voltron and stomp on the building.

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When the police pulled back in Seattle, people died because of the actions of the protesters there.
Evidence is highly questionable.

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What is the safe way to deescalate this situation?
Change policing. Answer emergency calls in a timely manner, stop beating and arresting people for asinine crimes like "loitering" when they're just talking in the middle of the street. Send EMTs instead of overhyped cops for mental health calls. Take away their military surplus, they have no idea how to make good use of their toys.
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So I would like to talk a lot more about solutions for deescalating this situation. There is a lot of cheering on one side or another without a lot of talk about real solutions. I am not saying that the posters on ISKEP are responsible for fixing this mess, but I also see no reason why we could not be a positive influence rather than just posting opposing viewpoints in a dark corner of the web.


Here is my 5 point solution plan. This is absolutely influenced by my own biases, and is certainly not perfect, but it is a start.

GOAL There are very real systemic racial justice issues inflamed by the death of George Floyd. Protesters are right to decry the social inequities and structures that have allowed deaths like his to occur time and time again. However, violence either from or on protesters has drawn media coverage to places like Portland where nightly violence has occurred for about two months. This has largely taken off the focus of those who have expressed real ideas to address the Systemic racism problems, and has led to a number of tragic injuries on both sides.

This five point plan focusing primarily on the violence in Portland, would seek to reduce violence where possible, and focus on meaningful solutions and dialogue.

1. Start dialogue between the protesters and the Feds onsite A daily hour long Zoom call initiated by the Feds should talk about strategies to reduce violence, and grievances from protesters. People yelling over other people, yelling obscenities, and threats to kill people will be muted. It should be organized with roughly half the time for the Feds to talk, and half the time for protesters to talk, with questions voted on by the attendees. Questions like "why don't you just go kill yourself," will be ignored. Attendance should not be limited to just those on site at the protest, but the conversation should be focused to those onsite.

2. Set up more space between the protesters and the Feds The upgraded fences have made an enormous differences in reducing the violence, and should continue to be upgraded.

3. Get community organizers to work with the protesters to develop strategies to reduce violence. Have a way to document and identify violent protesters. Have a sheet of people involved in past violence to watch out for, and encourage all protesters to stay vigilant for those attempting to start violence. If they cannot stop certain people from engaging in violence, they should have an agreed upon procedure to work with the Portland police to intervene against only those people who refuse to halt their violence. This needs to be well communicated within the protest community to prevent more violence from occurring during these events. Ideally by restraining those violent protesters with equipment like the Bola Wrap, and transporting them to an agreed upon location.

4. Have the Feds work on developing new strategies, tactics, and potentially new equipment to reduce violence on demonstrators. Rubber bullets to the head, and beatings on someone who is just asking a question are definitely examples of abuse of force. Many of those onsite are not trained for this mission, but have no choice to be there, as local leaders have refused to deescalate themselves. New equipment like remote controlled mobile barriers could physically separate protesters without having to engage in violence.

5. Encourage the media to cover peaceful demonstrations with as much coverage as they cover violent ones. Fox, CNN, and many other outlets have focused incredibly heavily on violence. There are many large scale demonstrations for social justice near me that have been going on for months, that I had no idea of. This is not fair to them, as the only ones getting media coverage are the demonstrations engaging in violence. At most the media will say "there were peaceful demonstrations earlier in the day." The media has a duty to cover the violence, but they also have to be honest about their role in encouraging it.
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So I would like to talk a lot more about solutions for deescalating this situation. There is a lot of cheering on one side or another without a lot of talk about real solutions. I am not saying that the posters on ISKEP are responsible for fixing this mess, but I also see no reason why we could not be a positive influence rather than just posting opposing viewpoints in a dark corner of the web.


Here is my 5 point solution plan. This is absolutely influenced by my own biases, and is certainly not perfect, but it is a start.

GOAL There are very real systemic racial justice issues inflamed by the death of George Floyd. Protesters are right to decry the social inequities and structures that have allowed deaths like his to occur time and time again. However, violence either from or on protesters has drawn media coverage to places like Portland where nightly violence has occurred for about two months. This has largely taken off the focus of those who have expressed real ideas to address the Systemic racism problems, and has led to a number of tragic injuries on both sides.

This five point plan focusing primarily on the violence in Portland, would seek to reduce violence where possible, and focus on meaningful solutions and dialogue.

1. Start dialogue between the protesters and the Feds onsite A daily hour long Zoom call initiated by the Feds should talk about strategies to reduce violence, and grievances from protesters. People yelling over other people, yelling obscenities, and threats to kill people will be muted. It should be organized with roughly half the time for the Feds to talk, and half the time for protesters to talk, with questions voted on by the attendees. Questions like "why don't you just go kill yourself," will be ignored. Attendance should not be limited to just those on site at the protest, but the conversation should be focused to those onsite.

2. Set up more space between the protesters and the Feds The upgraded fences have made an enormous differences in reducing the violence, and should continue to be upgraded.

3. Get community organizers to work with the protesters to develop strategies to reduce violence. Have a way to document and identify violent protesters. Have a sheet of people involved in past violence to watch out for, and encourage all protesters to stay vigilant for those attempting to start violence. If they cannot stop certain people from engaging in violence, they should have an agreed upon procedure to work with the Portland police to intervene against only those people who refuse to halt their violence. This needs to be well communicated within the protest community to prevent more violence from occurring during these events. Ideally by restraining those violent protesters with equipment like the Bola Wrap, and transporting them to an agreed upon location.

4. Have the Feds work on developing new strategies, tactics, and potentially new equipment to reduce violence on demonstrators. Rubber bullets to the head, and beatings on someone who is just asking a question are definitely examples of abuse of force. Many of those onsite are not trained for this mission, but have no choice to be there, as local leaders have refused to deescalate themselves. New equipment like remote controlled mobile barriers could physically separate protesters without having to engage in violence.

5. Encourage the media to cover peaceful demonstrations with as much coverage as they cover violent ones. Fox, CNN, and many other outlets have focused incredibly heavily on violence. There are many large scale demonstrations for social justice near me that have been going on for months, that I had no idea of. This is not fair to them, as the only ones getting media coverage are the demonstrations engaging in violence. At most the media will say "there were peaceful demonstrations earlier in the day." The media has a duty to cover the violence, but they also have to be honest about their role in encouraging it.
This just tells me that you're not paying attention.
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Stories starting to circulate that a some of the Federal 'troops' are actually contractors from Constellis and Academi (good old Blackwater, Triple Canopy as it was formerly)
The story I just saw on Facebook was:

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It was confirmed on MSNBC that DHS 'cops' are 'contractors': therefore they are mercenaries supplied by Erik Prince — shady brother of Betsy Devos!

This picture is from Portland. The picture is crazy as it is, but when you notice the shoulder patch, you see ZT1.

ZT1 is a private company that provides specialized personnel and clients include Homeland Security and Department of Defense, according to their own website. Let me be clear, these “Federal” agents are a private militia group, no different than Black Water back in Iraq.
(I have not fact checked it.)
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The 'Walls of Moms' are wearing yellow, 'Wall of Dads' orange,'Teachers Against Tyrants' in green, Healthcare Workers in scrubs and 'Lawyers for BLM' in purple.
They are also joined in the front rank by the 'Wall of Vets' (veterans not veterinarians that is)
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The story I just saw on Facebook was:



(I have not fact checked it.)
According to this article, it's a personal identifier they are using instead of putting the officer's name on the uniform.
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According to this article, it's a personal identifier they are using instead of putting the officer's name on the uniform.
Oh perfect. The feds are acknowledging that they don't want their personel known to the public while involved with these operations. Trying to think of a clearer way they could say 'ya, we know they are breaking the law. That's why we are masking their identities.'

The identities of the lawful don't need to be hidden.
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Originally Posted by HoverBoarder View Post
So I would like to talk a lot more about solutions for deescalating this situation. There is a lot of cheering on one side or another without a lot of talk about real solutions. I am not saying that the posters on ISKEP are responsible for fixing this mess, but I also see no reason why we could not be a positive influence rather than just posting opposing viewpoints in a dark corner of the web.


Here is my 5 point solution plan. This is absolutely influenced by my own biases, and is certainly not perfect, but it is a start.

GOAL There are very real systemic racial justice issues inflamed by the death of George Floyd. Protesters are right to decry the social inequities and structures that have allowed deaths like his to occur time and time again. However, violence either from or on protesters has drawn media coverage to places like Portland where nightly violence has occurred for about two months. This has largely taken off the focus of those who have expressed real ideas to address the Systemic racism problems, and has led to a number of tragic injuries on both sides.

This five point plan focusing primarily on the violence in Portland, would seek to reduce violence where possible, and focus on meaningful solutions and dialogue.

1. Start dialogue between the protesters and the Feds onsite A daily hour long Zoom call initiated by the Feds should talk about strategies to reduce violence, and grievances from protesters. People yelling over other people, yelling obscenities, and threats to kill people will be muted. It should be organized with roughly half the time for the Feds to talk, and half the time for protesters to talk, with questions voted on by the attendees. Questions like "why don't you just go kill yourself," will be ignored. Attendance should not be limited to just those on site at the protest, but the conversation should be focused to those onsite.

2. Set up more space between the protesters and the Feds The upgraded fences have made an enormous differences in reducing the violence, and should continue to be upgraded.

3. Get community organizers to work with the protesters to develop strategies to reduce violence. Have a way to document and identify violent protesters. Have a sheet of people involved in past violence to watch out for, and encourage all protesters to stay vigilant for those attempting to start violence. If they cannot stop certain people from engaging in violence, they should have an agreed upon procedure to work with the Portland police to intervene against only those people who refuse to halt their violence. This needs to be well communicated within the protest community to prevent more violence from occurring during these events. Ideally by restraining those violent protesters with equipment like the Bola Wrap, and transporting them to an agreed upon location.

4. Have the Feds work on developing new strategies, tactics, and potentially new equipment to reduce violence on demonstrators. Rubber bullets to the head, and beatings on someone who is just asking a question are definitely examples of abuse of force. Many of those onsite are not trained for this mission, but have no choice to be there, as local leaders have refused to deescalate themselves. New equipment like remote controlled mobile barriers could physically separate protesters without having to engage in violence.

5. Encourage the media to cover peaceful demonstrations with as much coverage as they cover violent ones. Fox, CNN, and many other outlets have focused incredibly heavily on violence. There are many large scale demonstrations for social justice near me that have been going on for months, that I had no idea of. This is not fair to them, as the only ones getting media coverage are the demonstrations engaging in violence. At most the media will say "there were peaceful demonstrations earlier in the day." The media has a duty to cover the violence, but they also have to be honest about their role in encouraging it.
Great ideas. Another idea that I think would help is de-anonymization. I think being anonymous makes it easier to perpetrate violence and makes it easier to be a victim of violence. I think the protesters would be less inclined to hurt police that looked like identifiable people and not stormtroopers. The same thing goes for the protesters. With outbursts of violence in previous years, there was talk about anti-masking laws for the protesters. We are in the middle of a pandemic so obviously that wouldn't be appropriate right now but in non-pandemic times, I think it would be better for both police and protesters to show their faces. Protesters and police alike do not want to be seen beating people or other misbehavior, they want to hide behind their uniforms, masks, or black umbrellas.

Another thought that is more anecdotal: It seems like the very large protests are peaceful. Nobody has been arrested at Revolution Hall or Pioneer square that I'm aware of. Nobody was arrested at the women's march. The large protests against the Iraq war were peaceful and uneventful. The protests in my neighborhood have been uneventful for the most part. When the moms and dads showed up downtown, things calmed down. It is the 300-500 size protests that get crazy.

You just gotta love the gaslighting in this thread: Violence and mayhem? what are you talking about? Check out the calm and serene situation at the Justice Center downtown in this video!
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Oh perfect. The feds are acknowledging that they don't want their personel known to the public while involved with these operations. Trying to think of a clearer way they could say 'ya, we know they are breaking the law. That's why we are masking their identities.'

The identities of the lawful don't need to be hidden.
Exactly my thought. There is a reason they don’t want to be identified.

And yet there are Americans who defend this! Land of the free indeed.
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So I would like to talk a lot more about solutions for deescalating this situation.
There isn't a solution. The protestors are there because of the hessians, the hessians are there because they're paid to be. Trump wants a show of force, and will use as much force as it takes for it to show. You don't hire Blackwater (or whatever name Erik Prince's jackboots haven't tarnished yet) to run a Zoom meeting, and it requires an astounding sense of naivete to think it all comes down to some sort of misunderstanding.
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The 'Walls of Moms' are wearing yellow, 'Wall of Dads' orange,'Teachers Against Tyrants' in green, Healthcare Workers in scrubs and 'Lawyers for BLM' in purple.
They are also joined in the front rank by the 'Wall of Vets' (veterans not veterinarians that is)
That's the last I've heard so far - except the health workers, last I read, were nurses, and the...actually, I shouldn't write that particular part out.

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So I would like to talk a lot more about solutions for deescalating this situation. There is a lot of cheering on one side or another without a lot of talk about real solutions. I am not saying that the posters on ISKEP are responsible for fixing this mess, but I also see no reason why we could not be a positive influence rather than just posting opposing viewpoints in a dark corner of the web.


Here is my 5 point solution plan. This is absolutely influenced by my own biases, and is certainly not perfect, but it is a start.

GOAL There are very real systemic racial justice issues inflamed by the death of George Floyd. Protesters are right to decry the social inequities and structures that have allowed deaths like his to occur time and time again. However, violence either from or on protesters has drawn media coverage to places like Portland where nightly violence has occurred for about two months. This has largely taken off the focus of those who have expressed real ideas to address the Systemic racism problems, and has led to a number of tragic injuries on both sides.

This five point plan focusing primarily on the violence in Portland, would seek to reduce violence where possible, and focus on meaningful solutions and dialogue.
Nope!

Again, this has been building for a while - and it is, wherever you step foot in the US more or less. It's just that someone decided to crank the flames under one pot to full blast.

As if said person didn't know about Twitter, or the internet in general.

Did y'all really think BLM just vanished when Mango Mousillini was elected and President Obama left office?

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1. Start dialogue between the protesters and the Feds onsite
So long as we're playing Fantasy Negotiator...

No. They leave, immediately. it's impossible to set up trust, either way, and it's a local matter in any case.

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3. Get community organizers to work with the protesters to develop strategies to reduce violence. Have a way to document and identify violent protesters. Have a sheet of people involved in past violence to watch out for, and encourage all protesters to stay vigilant for those attempting to start violence. If they cannot stop certain people from engaging in violence, they should have an agreed upon procedure to work with the Portland police to intervene against only those people who refuse to halt their violence. This needs to be well communicated within the protest community to prevent more violence from occurring during these events. Ideally by restraining those violent protesters with equipment like the Bola Wrap, and transporting them to an agreed upon location.
Easy to do, they're the same people - or at least, the organizers and the protest *leaders* usually are.

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Again, the Feds leave.

As I understand, the Mayor in Portland is also top dog at their PD. reimagine it with him and staffers, negotiating XD

5. Encourage the media to cover peaceful demonstrations with as much coverage as they cover violent ones. Fox, CNN, and many other outlets have focused incredibly heavily on violence. There are many large scale demonstrations for social justice near me that have been going on for months, that I had no idea of. This is not fair to them, as the only ones getting media coverage are the demonstrations engaging in violence. At most the media will say "there were peaceful demonstrations earlier in the day." The media has a duty to cover the violence, but they also have to be honest about their role in encouraging it.[/quote]

I've seen media cover the peaceful parts much more than enough. Everyone knows what they're there for.

To support Black Lives Matter. And also, the US Constitution. They've always fit, since WE have long learned to universalize our rights to other groups anyway. After all, an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
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I've seen media cover the peaceful parts much more than enough. Everyone knows what they're there for.
I'll disagree with that. I don't see the media asking of leaders "what are you going to do about the racism" with the same candor they ask "what are you going to do about the violence?"

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They've always fit, since WE have long learned to universalize our rights to other groups anyway. After all, an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
Ehh... it's been my experience that you'll find about the same proportion of people who are self-centered jerks no matter what the circumstances. It's jerks all the way down. Fractal jerks. Black communities in particular have a long-running problem with homophobia.
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<snip>For better or worse, these attacks, and choreographed violence video clips are what many people Nationally and Internationally are seeing from the BLM protests right now.
Who is the choreographer?
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Who is the choreographer?
And why are “Nationally” and “Internationally” capitalized? (There is a country with a president who likes to use random capital letters )
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Well Mayor Wheeler, this is completely your making. Hope that it is everything that you wished for.


What a load of crap.

Have the federal agents made it worse or not?
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He's the one who put the dance partners together, and watched his ballet unfold. He definitely could have at any point heeded all of the repeated calls to deescalate the situation, and set up a setback zone. There is a very specific reason that he is purposefully refusing to do that. The same reason that Trump is using the violence for his own personal political goals as well.

He sees people setting fires, he see the CPB respond, and chooses to encourage the violence to continue. His teargas stunt was pretty well planned for a photo-op. Kind of like those people who do dumb stuff on Youtube for views and likes.


Anyone remember this?
So, arm-chair warrior reporting then? Got it.
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I found this very informative. I'm assuming it's accurate until someone shows me otherwise.

Apologies if it's been posted before.

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I find 24+ minute vlogs take forever to get to the point.

Care to suggest the highlights in a line or two?
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Stories starting to circulate that a some of the Federal 'troops' are actually contractors from Constellis and Academi (good old Blackwater, Triple Canopy as it was formerly)
That's interesting. Might explain the no insignias or IDs.

Bush used them in New Orleans and Trump is in with Betsy and Erik.
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The story I just saw on Facebook was:

(I have not fact checked it.)
I don't know much about Medium.com except they say I only have one free story left. But other corroborating stories are starting to trickle in.

The Lead Federal Agency Responding to Protesters in Portland Employs Thousands of Private Contractors
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The Trump administration’s deployment of federal law enforcers in Portland, Oregon, as part of a supposed effort to protect government property has prompted at least two lawsuits alleging that their show of force has resulted in abuses of authority and the unnecessary use of violence against peaceful protesters, journalists and observers.

What has not been reported widely in the media, however, is the fact that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) unit that is coordinating the “crowd control” effort — an agency called the Federal Protective Service (FPS) — is composed largely of contract security personnel. Those contractors are being furnished to FPS by major private-sector security companies like Blackwater corporate descendant Triple Canopy as well as dozens of other private security firms.

In fact, FPS spends more than $1 billion a year on these contract security guards who are authorized to conduct crowd control at federal properties, such as those in Portland. ...
Just in time, Prince's outfit is close to filing for bankruptcy. Except apparently Prince doesn't own the operation any more.

This should bother everyone:
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There are some 13,000 security guards nationwide employed by FPS via contracts with private security firms, a figure that can be expanded through existing and future contracts. Via contracts with FPS, more than 50 private security firms provide guards — referred to as protective security officers (PSOs) — to the agency in the Washington, D.C., area alone. ...

The FPS has a long history of failing to properly vet and adequately monitor and ensure that these guards have proper training and certifications, including proper firearms training.
Blackwater agents were never prosecuted for murders they committed. In Iraq they fell outside of Iraqi law and outside of military law. In New Orleans no one ever held them accountable.
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There is a reason they don’t want to be identified.
Yes, yes there is.

38 Police Officers Have Been Doxxed During Protests in Portland
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That's interesting. Might explain the no insignias or IDs.
No, it's wrong and a ******* retarded conspiracy theory.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/zti-patch-portland-zt1/

I feel like I wondered into a InfoWars thread after the Boston Marathon terrorist attack with a bunch of little Alex Joneses pointing out the Navy SEALs who were responsible for a false flag operation.
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Why were they doxxed? To sing their praises for being fair and lawful keepers of the peace? To call attention to their shining example of #NotAllCopsAreSadisticMurderers?

...sorry, just peed a little.
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Why were they doxxed? To sing their praises for being fair and lawful keepers of the peace? To call attention to their shining example of #NotAllCopsAreSadisticMurderers?

So they can be targeted for vigilante justice?

Maybe whoever doxxed them are the ACAB types we wish them harm?

I'm not sure, but I doubt it was because the doxxers was hoping the community would visit them and their families to show appreciation for their work.
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So long as we're playing Fantasy Negotiator...

No. They leave, immediately. it's impossible to set up trust, either way, and it's a local matter in any case.


Again, the Feds leave.

As I understand, the Mayor in Portland is also top dog at their PD. reimagine it with him and staffers, negotiating XD
Thank you for your response, although I think your wrong. More specifically, I believe that the goal of my plan is different than the results of your plan. Which is understandable. There will certainly be a lot of differences in what people think the resolution should be.

For me, my goal is focused on reducing the violence at the protests, specifically in Portland, while attempting to put more focus on finding and implementing meaningful solutions to racial injustice.


While there were a lot of specific steps that I laid out to bring that about, it really comes down to one simple principle. If there is no violence against the Feds and the buildings they are in, there would be no reason for the Feds to respond in violence. The Feds cannot abandon their colleagues while they are still being attacked. If you stop the violence, they will go home.

Just telling the Feds to go home while they are being attacked is making a statement you know will not lead to anything but continued violence. It is basically just a justification for continuing the violence.

There are plenty of ways to stop the violence.

Mayor Wheeler has consistently refused to deescalate, and so have the protesters. They could take the steps to stop the violence at any point of their choosing, but for two months they have chosen not to. They may have their own reasons for wanting to purposefully continue the violence, but it is harder and harder to take their crocadile tears seriously when they are purposefully instigating the violence for two months straight.
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