IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Conspiracies and Conspiracy Theories » 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Tags 9/11 conspiracy theories , missiles , no planes

Reply
Old 8th January 2023, 10:09 AM   #281
MBDK
Muse
 
MBDK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 651
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Correct-

The contents of the link pithed* me off and made me angry !

Samuel Johnson's Dictionary


*pith- 4. Energy; cogency; fulness of sentiment; closeness and vigour of thought and stile.

https://www.definitions.net/definition/PITH

Angered by cogency? That explains a lot.
MBDK is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 8th January 2023, 12:22 PM   #282
Axxman300
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Central California Coast
Posts: 6,863
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Correct-

The contents of the link pithed* me off and made me angry !

Samuel Johnson's Dictionary


*pith- 4. Energy; cogency; fulness of sentiment; closeness and vigour of thought and stile.

https://www.definitions.net/definition/PITH
So...Actual engineering discussions using physical evidence, applied physics, and quality research offends you?

Why should anyone take you seriously on any level?

I ask based on the body of your posts on this forum which lack any basis in reality, and demonstrate a vast lack of fundamental knowledge of the most basic, and easily researchable facts of how things work.

I readily admit most the majority of the two NIST reports are over my head, intellectually, and educationally. But I can read the "Conclusion" chapters just fine, and it is there the "Truth" jumps off the page. I have no problem letting smarter people figure things out, and I'm certainly not so stupid as to question their findings based on two years of college with a major in Marine Geology.

Choosing ignorance is nothing to be proud of.
__________________
Disingenuous Piranha
Axxman300 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th January 2023, 12:35 PM   #283
Dash80
Rave on, Not Fade Away
 
Dash80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,189
Deleted. Double post
__________________
I see that the No-Planers still travel Air Elastic-Band with their fleet of innovative rubber Boeings.

Last edited by Dash80; 9th January 2023 at 12:38 PM.
Dash80 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th January 2023, 12:37 PM   #284
Dash80
Rave on, Not Fade Away
 
Dash80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,189
After years away from here, I popped in on a nostalgic whim. Some things really never change...wow.

Steve, get a new hobby, mate.

"True believers can't get past the television show"

Proceeds to bang on about a movie.

Exquisite, Sir...thanks for the laugh and maybe you shouldn't watch too many movies, it's bad for you 😉
__________________
I see that the No-Planers still travel Air Elastic-Band with their fleet of innovative rubber Boeings.
Dash80 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th January 2023, 06:55 AM   #285
beachnut
Penultimate Amazing
 
beachnut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Dog House
Posts: 26,122
School of Hard Knocks presents fantasy from steve

Originally Posted by yankee451 View Post
Dropping by to check out the comments. As usual, the true believers can't get past the television show. So, for those of you who are critical thinking-challenged:

Have you ever seen the movie of the bank heist where the criminals put a photo of the bank vault in front of the security camera to dupe the guards into thinking the vault is okay, while it’s being robbed? The wily criminals simply hide their vault-cracking activities behind a photograph of a pristine vault. It works every time (at least in Hollywood). Shows like Hudson Hawk, Speed, and Mission Impossible, old and new, have used this camera-spoofing technique.
https://911crashtest.org/pulling-the...-of-the-world/
The old School of Hard Knocks left out physics.

The evidence free missile delusion... a most insane claim.

Don't try to join reality, it sucks - (do your grandkids know you posts insane claims about 9/11, mocking the murder of thousands? )

How did the evil government fake what people saw? Radar data? How many evil government people are in your delusional version of 9/11 to fake the whole event?

How many families have you contacted in person to tell them their loved ones did not die, but were faked out of life? Why are you spreading the dumbest lies about 9/11?
__________________
"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen" - Albert Einstein
"... education as the means of developing our greatest abilities" - JFK
beachnut is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th January 2023, 02:37 PM   #286
MBDK
Muse
 
MBDK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 651
Originally Posted by yankee451 View Post
Dropping by to check out the comments. As usual, the true believers can't get past the television show. So, for those of you who are critical thinking-challenged:

Have you ever seen the movie of the bank heist where the criminals put a photo of the bank vault in front of the security camera to dupe the guards into thinking the vault is okay, while it’s being robbed? The wily criminals simply hide their vault-cracking activities behind a photograph of a pristine vault. It works every time (at least in Hollywood). Shows like Hudson Hawk, Speed, and Mission Impossible, old and new, have used this camera-spoofing technique.
https://911crashtest.org/pulling-the...-of-the-world/

Your reference correctly mentions why the fake photo in front of a camera will most likely not work. However, when it drools over the supposed reliability of a proposed "slice and dice" scenario, it fails miserably, just as YOUR critical thinking has in its assessment. The inserted CGI miraculously matches the EXACT spots and destruction pattern where the planes hit, including the blowout from the portions of the building away from the impact site. Even the best simulations cannot predict the precise shapes and configurations of these well-documented after-effects. Your amateurish pretense of a credible scenario is NOT a critical evaluation, nor a plausible method for deception. It is a comic-book narrative for a childish fantasy with no basis in reality.
MBDK is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th January 2023, 04:01 PM   #287
Roger Ramjets
Philosopher
 
Roger Ramjets's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 7,109
Originally Posted by beachnut View Post
The evidence free missile delusion... a most insane claim.
Insane yes, but why make it?

Quote:
Don't try to join reality, it sucks
That's right. A good fantasy is much nicer. What I don't get is people who dream up fantasies that are worse than reality. Apparently the real world doesn't suck badly enough for them.
__________________
We don't want good, sound arguments. We want arguments that sound good.
Roger Ramjets is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st August 2023, 12:43 PM   #288
Fonebone
persona non grata
 
Fonebone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,950
Bump :Addressed to Yankee451
Greetings Yankee - Fonebone here.
Your "smoking Gun " thread is one year and a few days old and the views are approaching twenty five thousand. Time for an update if you have uncovered
additional evidence. Thanks -Fonebone
__________________
Truth, like the sun, allows itself to be obscured;
but, like the sun, only for a time. __Bovee
Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light. __George Washington
All great truths begin as blasphemies __Shaw
Fonebone is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st August 2023, 03:12 PM   #289
pzkpfw
Critical Thinker
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 256
"additional"?
pzkpfw is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 4th September 2023, 12:24 PM   #290
Fonebone
persona non grata
 
Fonebone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,950
Originally Posted by pzkpfw View Post
"additional"?

Evidence in addition to the evidence submitted in the thread OP
video.
https://vimeo.com/741646536
__________________
Truth, like the sun, allows itself to be obscured;
but, like the sun, only for a time. __Bovee
Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light. __George Washington
All great truths begin as blasphemies __Shaw
Fonebone is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 4th September 2023, 02:32 PM   #291
pzkpfw
Critical Thinker
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 256
"Evidence"?
pzkpfw is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 5th September 2023, 03:35 AM   #292
bknight
Master Poster
 
bknight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 2,733
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Evidence in addition to the evidence submitted in the thread OP
video.
https://vimeo.com/741646536
Unfortunately that video presented no evidence, just ignorant observations. So many errors in logic and judgement result in inaccurate conclusions that only a fool would believe.
bknight is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 5th September 2023, 09:16 AM   #293
bknight
Master Poster
 
bknight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 2,733
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Evidence in addition to the evidence submitted in the thread OP
video.
https://vimeo.com/741646536
As an example of poor image analysis, in the video of U 175 crashing into the south tower. IIRC the wing has "entered into the tower, or words to that effect, but where is the hole/damage? When the video was stopped the wing completely cover the damage/hole. What nonsense to say there was no damage. The wings beginning to break open as the video from Purdue shows of AA 11 and the inferno begins, no mystery here and no phantom missile, just jet fuel combusting.
bknight is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 6th September 2023, 04:35 AM   #294
bknight
Master Poster
 
bknight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 2,733
Originally Posted by bknight View Post
As an example of poor image analysis, in the video of U 175 crashing into the south tower. IIRC the wing has "entered into the tower, or words to that effect, but where is the hole/damage? When the video was stopped the wing completely cover the damage/hole. What nonsense to say there was no damage. The wings beginning to break open as the video from Purdue shows of AA 11 and the inferno begins, no mystery here and no phantom missile, just jet fuel combusting.
Continuing with the above example after a second or two the pane disappears into the building and lo and behold a hole in the building, how curious a plane with a lot of momentum has created a hole in a building. The momentum was sufficient to destroy building I beams made of steel. It's all physics, not rocket science nor dilutional beliefs of missiles.
bknight is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 8th September 2023, 08:13 PM   #295
jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
 
jaydeehess's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: 40 miles north of the border
Posts: 20,849
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Bump :Addressed to Yankee451
Greetings Yankee - Fonebone here.
Your "smoking Gun " thread is one year and a few days old and the views are approaching twenty five thousand. Time for an update if you have uncovered
additional evidence. Thanks -Fonebone
It's been almost 22 years but you believe that some manner of newly discovered evidence of a vast and incredibly complex and complicated conspiracy will magically appear.
That is textbook dusional thinking.

Oh and Yankee....love the use of fictional stories as some sort of proof of concept. Next up, a Scooby-Doo reference? Maybe Thor himself will appear, or perhaps Micheal Keaton in his Batman suit....but the 1989 Batman cut it was da bomb.
jaydeehess is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th September 2023, 07:46 AM   #296
jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
 
jaydeehess's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: 40 miles north of the border
Posts: 20,849
Re: the cloaked missile that hits the building. If it passes THROUGH the structure and is visible exiting it on the other side, then the missile did not explode inside the building.
jaydeehess is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th September 2023, 02:30 PM   #297
cjnewson88
Graduate Poster
 
cjnewson88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,753
Guys... there's something to be said for dealing with 'low-hanging fruit'... Steve is best ignored.
__________________
Common sense has clearly been snuck up on from behind beaten several times on the head and left to bleed.
For my complete compilation of evidence showing AAL77 hit the Pentagon -http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.co.nz/
For my compilation of evidence for UAL93 - http://ual93.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/user/cjnewson88
cjnewson88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th September 2023, 03:26 PM   #298
Fonebone
persona non grata
 
Fonebone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,950
Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
Re: the cloaked missile that hits the building. If it passes THROUGH the structure and is visible exiting it on the other side, then the missile did not explode inside the building.

This is a cameo of the AGM86D missile.









Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Image of the alleged missile:



Another image of the same missile
AGM-86D


One of the many munition payloads of this delivery systems is a FAE thermobaric Napalm and Napalm2 incendiary warhead.
F.A.E. = Fuel Air Explosive.
Napalm is a FAE is a Naphthalene & palm oil that creates a Fireball with a petroleum thick black mushroom smoke cloud. Naphalm2 is a
chemical exothermic payload replacement for Napalm and produces a whitish tan-gray smoke mushroom cloud

This is the missile suspect...
An AGM-86D cruise missile.
__________________
Truth, like the sun, allows itself to be obscured;
but, like the sun, only for a time. __Bovee
Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light. __George Washington
All great truths begin as blasphemies __Shaw
Fonebone is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th September 2023, 03:48 PM   #299
Axxman300
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Central California Coast
Posts: 6,863
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
This is a cameo of the AGM86D missile.
This is the missile suspect...
An AGM-86D cruise missile.
No. And the warhead information on the linked post is a lie.
__________________
Disingenuous Piranha
Axxman300 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th September 2023, 04:23 PM   #300
Fonebone
persona non grata
 
Fonebone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,950
Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
Re: the cloaked missile that hits the building. If it passes THROUGH the structure and is visible exiting it on the other side, then the missile did not explode inside the building.

--And--
this post outlines the missile path thru the WTC2 south wall and
the missile nose as it exits the North wall at the North-East bevel.
NOSE IN -
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...77#post7443177




NOSE OUT -

Note the nose shaped shadow cast horizontally on the partially sun-lit north wall as the missile nose exits.

__________________
Truth, like the sun, allows itself to be obscured;
but, like the sun, only for a time. __Bovee
Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light. __George Washington
All great truths begin as blasphemies __Shaw

Last edited by Fonebone; 9th September 2023 at 04:27 PM.
Fonebone is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th September 2023, 04:29 PM   #301
Axxman300
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Central California Coast
Posts: 6,863
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
--And--
this post outlines the missile path thru the WTC2 south wall and
the missile nose as it exits the North wall at the North-East bevel.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...77#post7443177
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...c36a3c2530.jpg


Note the nose shaped shadow cast horizontally on the partially sun-lit north wall as the missile nose exits.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...7347f0da62.gif
You do know the entire attack is on video from multiple angles, right? And how does a sane person ignore the 767?

Why don't you explain to us heathens how a 767 loaded with jet fuel, flying over 400mph is different than a cruise missile.
__________________
Disingenuous Piranha
Axxman300 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th September 2023, 06:05 PM   #302
Fonebone
persona non grata
 
Fonebone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,950
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
--And--
this post outlines the missile path thru the WTC2 south wall and
the missile nose as it exits the North wall at the North-East bevel.
NOSE IN -
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...77#post7443177




NOSE OUT -

Note the nose shaped shadow cast horizontally on the partially sun-lit north wall as the missile nose exits.


--And--

This is the exit hole created in the North-East bevel wall by
the missile as it exited.

">
__________________
Truth, like the sun, allows itself to be obscured;
but, like the sun, only for a time. __Bovee
Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light. __George Washington
All great truths begin as blasphemies __Shaw
Fonebone is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th September 2023, 08:47 PM   #303
Fonebone
persona non grata
 
Fonebone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,950
Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
Re: the cloaked missile that hits the building. If it passes THROUGH the structure and is visible exiting it on the other side, then the missile did not explode inside the building.

O.K. JD I'm prepared to address your question and answer it with evidence.
__________________
Truth, like the sun, allows itself to be obscured;
but, like the sun, only for a time. __Bovee
Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light. __George Washington
All great truths begin as blasphemies __Shaw
Fonebone is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th September 2023, 04:12 AM   #304
Oystein
Penultimate Amazing
 
Oystein's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 18,667
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
...This is the missile suspect...
An AGM-86D cruise missile.
With a Napalm FAE warhead, you said?

Steve d'Eak's theory is that the missiles (plural) flew in on a path almost parallel to the South face of the South tower, so each missile would hit, and break or bend, multiple columns.

Do you DISAGREE with that theory?

Because it doesn't seem to make much sense - when would any warhead explode in a scenario where one missle does the same damage to multiple columns?

Don't discuss this with me, by the way. Fight your differences with Steve out with Steve.
I am sure you can both see very clearly how the other is obviously wrong, lying, a part of controlled opposition.
__________________
Thermodynamics hates conspiracy theorists. (Foster Zygote)
The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. (Gilbert Keith Chesterton)
Oystein is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th September 2023, 04:21 AM   #305
Steve
Penultimate Amazing
 
Steve's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Sydney Nova Scotia
Posts: 13,833
Originally Posted by cjnewson88 View Post
Guys... there's something to be said for dealing with 'low-hanging fruit'... Steve is best ignored.
Hey!! What did I do???
__________________
Caption from and old New Yorker cartoon - Why am I shouting? Because I'm wrong!"
Steve is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th September 2023, 05:47 AM   #306
Myriad
The Clarity Is Devastating
 
Myriad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Betwixt
Posts: 20,891
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
--And--
this post outlines the missile path thru the WTC2 south wall and
the missile nose as it exits the North wall at the North-East bevel.
NOSE IN -
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...77#post7443177
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...c36a3c2530.jpg



NOSE OUT -

Note the nose shaped shadow cast horizontally on the partially sun-lit north wall as the missile nose exits.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...7347f0da62.gif

Can you explain why the "NOSE OUT" in that image, and its shadow, are two orders of magnitude larger than the nose of the AGM86D missile shown in the photo in your previous post?
__________________
"*Except Myriad. Even Cthulhu would give him a pat on the head and an ice cream and send him to the movies while he ended the rest of the world." - Foster Zygote
Myriad is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th September 2023, 05:11 AM   #307
pgimeno
Illuminator
 
pgimeno's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Spain
Posts: 3,692
Originally Posted by Myriad View Post
Can you explain why the "NOSE OUT" in that image, and its shadow, are two orders of magnitude larger than the nose of the AGM86D missile shown in the photo in your previous post?
There are several explanations:
  1. The missile grew while it was inside the building.
  2. Actually more missiles were shot, including a huge cruise missile, but with a tiny warhead that did very little damage, but it had to be huge just because.
  3. The huge missile was actually shot from inside the building in that direction as the other one penetrated.
  4. There was no missile, it was a plane and that is not the nose. No, no, forget I said that, that's not possible.
pgimeno is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th September 2023, 07:59 AM   #308
ElMondoHummus
0.25 short of being half-witted
 
ElMondoHummus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole
Posts: 12,282
Wow, I can't believe it's been a year.

(*Looks in forum*)

Wow, I can't believe someone's still trying to pitch cruise missiles. At least it's back to the Twin Towers instead of "cruise missile at the Pentagon", but still...
__________________
"AND ZEPPELINS!!! We haven't even begun to talk about Zeppelins yet! Marauding inflatable Teutonic johnsons waggling their way across the sky! Indecent and flammable all at once."
ElMondoHummus is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th September 2023, 09:46 AM   #309
Mike!
Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it!
 
Mike!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not!
Posts: 53,086
Originally Posted by Myriad View Post
Can you explain why the "NOSE OUT" in that image, and its shadow, are two orders of magnitude larger than the nose of the AGM86D missile shown in the photo in your previous post?
They plump when you cook them?
No wait, that's a brand of hot dogs, never mind.
__________________
"Never judge a man until you’ve walked a mile in his shoes...
Because then it won't really matter, you’ll be a mile away and have his shoes."
Mike! is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th September 2023, 11:47 AM   #310
Fonebone
persona non grata
 
Fonebone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,950
Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
With a Napalm FAE warhead, you said?
Correction... I stated the AGM-86D was capable of carrying any
of multiple flavors of warheads, including incendiary payloads
such as Napalm and Napalm2. The evidence proves the incendiaries
deployed on both WTC missiles were Napalm2 warheads.


Quote:
Steve d'Eak's theory is that the missiles (plural) flew in on a path almost parallel to the South face of the South tower, so each missile would hit, and break or bend, multiple columns.
Steve De'ak's video clearly outlines his theories on the two cruise missiles
striking the two WTC towers.
https://911crashtest.org/what-cut-th...d-hole-take-2/


Quote:
Do you DISAGREE with that theory?
My theories are delineated in this post
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...2#post13974952


Quote:
Because it doesn't seem to make much sense - when would any warhead explode in a scenario where one missle does the same damage to multiple columns?
Ask Steve...


Quote:
Don't discuss this with me, by the way. Fight your differences with Steve out with Steve.
Steve is MIA-... how about you and I discuss the evidence I post.

Quote:
I am sure you can both see very clearly how the other is obviously wrong, lying, a part of controlled opposition.
If Steve joins the thread he can participate. Meanwhile, I discuss with you and others.

Edited by jimbob:  the quote tags had been messed up, I believe it was inadvertent, so have edited them
__________________
Truth, like the sun, allows itself to be obscured;
but, like the sun, only for a time. __Bovee
Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light. __George Washington
All great truths begin as blasphemies __Shaw

Last edited by jimbob; 12th September 2023 at 12:06 AM.
Fonebone is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th September 2023, 12:00 PM   #311
Steve
Penultimate Amazing
 
Steve's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Sydney Nova Scotia
Posts: 13,833
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
If Steve joins the thread he can participate. Meanwhile, I discuss with you and others.
Here I am. And I think your opinions on this topic are stark raving bonkers.
__________________
Caption from and old New Yorker cartoon - Why am I shouting? Because I'm wrong!"
Steve is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th September 2023, 12:30 PM   #312
Fonebone
persona non grata
 
Fonebone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,950
Originally Posted by Steve View Post
Here I am. And I think your opinions on this topic are stark raving bonkers.

Hi Steve -- Steve here
And opinions are like
belly-buttons
Everybody has one.

Thank you for sharing--Steve
__________________
Truth, like the sun, allows itself to be obscured;
but, like the sun, only for a time. __Bovee
Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light. __George Washington
All great truths begin as blasphemies __Shaw
Fonebone is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th September 2023, 08:17 PM   #313
Fonebone
persona non grata
 
Fonebone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,950
Originally Posted by Steve View Post
Here I am. And I think your opinions on this topic are stark raving bonkers.

Dick Oliver---WNYW reporter New York City

Live on the CNN television speaking with Jim Ryan on the morning of 9/11/2001. 9:03 EDT

Youtube keeps deleting the Clip but truth-seekers keep re-posting it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDT7RHDeX64
[excerpt]
Some people said that "they thought they saw a missile....." [/excerpt]
__________________
Truth, like the sun, allows itself to be obscured;
but, like the sun, only for a time. __Bovee
Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light. __George Washington
All great truths begin as blasphemies __Shaw

Last edited by Fonebone; 11th September 2023 at 08:19 PM.
Fonebone is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 12th September 2023, 04:27 AM   #314
Steve
Penultimate Amazing
 
Steve's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Sydney Nova Scotia
Posts: 13,833
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Dick Oliver---WNYW reporter New York City

Live on the CNN television speaking with Jim Ryan on the morning of 9/11/2001. 9:03 EDT

Youtube keeps deleting the Clip but truth-seekers keep re-posting it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDT7RHDeX64
[excerpt]
Some people said that "they thought they saw a missile....." [/excerpt]
The fact that other some persons also have opinions that are stark raving bonkers does not change my position one jot.
__________________
Caption from and old New Yorker cartoon - Why am I shouting? Because I'm wrong!"
Steve is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 12th September 2023, 07:33 AM   #315
Oystein
Penultimate Amazing
 
Oystein's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 18,667
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Dick Oliver---WNYW reporter New York City

Live on the CNN television speaking with Jim Ryan on the morning of 9/11/2001. 9:03 EDT

Youtube keeps deleting the Clip but truth-seekers keep re-posting it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDT7RHDeX64
[excerpt]
Some people said that "they thought they saw a missile....." [/excerpt]
Is that the selfsame Dick Oliver who was with a camera man and a rolling video cam next to City Hall which recorded the sound of an approaching PLANE and a single crash sound and they sait it sounded like a plane, and seconds later they filmed the plane-shaped hole? That Dick Oliver? Urr, yes. Indeed. That Dick Oliver.
__________________
Thermodynamics hates conspiracy theorists. (Foster Zygote)
The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. (Gilbert Keith Chesterton)
Oystein is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 12th September 2023, 08:06 AM   #316
Jack by the hedge
Safely Ignored
 
Jack by the hedge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 16,392
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
NOSE OUT -

Note the nose shaped shadow cast horizontally on the partially sun-lit north wall as the missile nose exits.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...7347f0da62.gif
WTC was over 200 ft wide, as I recall. AGM-86 a little over 20 feet.

That debris bursting out of the building, which you claim is a missile's nose, suggests something here has a nose like Pinocchio. Don't you think?
Jack by the hedge is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 12th September 2023, 09:12 AM   #317
bknight
Master Poster
 
bknight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 2,733
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
--And--

This is the exit hole created in the North-East bevel wall by
the missile as it exited.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds">
Let's see: An airplane shape heads toward the building and then a missile pokes its nose out??? When viewing the video, it looks like a bunch of compressed air being forced out of the building, not a plane nor a missile. And you have never commented on the plane entering the building was CGId onto the video with no hole or damage being visible. That is because the plane is in front of the hole/damage, moments later when the plane clears the face of the building, the damage appears shaped more or less like a plane, not a missile.
bknight is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 6th October 2023, 08:22 AM   #318
jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
 
jaydeehess's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: 40 miles north of the border
Posts: 20,849
No, just no. If the missile exploded inside the building then the "nosecone" did not exit . Besides I thought this missile was cloaked by a Klingon cloaking device.
jaydeehess is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 8th October 2023, 05:50 AM   #319
Crazy Chainsaw
Philosopher
 
Crazy Chainsaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 7,895
Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
No, just no. If the missile exploded inside the building then the "nosecone" did not exit . Besides I thought this missile was cloaked by a Klingon cloaking device.
The Missle would have also have to have had the same Aluminum steel frame work and mass as the Planes wings, remember the wing tips do not Contain any Fuel so are Built lighter and have less Impacting mass than the interior of the wings.
Simple explanation is the wing tips being lighter built with much less mass collapsed and the interior structure was dragged along the outer wall, of perimeter Columns.
This is as much a Smoking Gun as the Flyash Microspheres used in the Flux Coating of welding rods used to weld the Columns together, or the LeClade paint used to paint the buildings it's another Nothing Burger a total misunderstanding of the physics of the Planes impact.
Crazy Chainsaw is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 17th October 2023, 05:03 PM   #320
Fonebone
persona non grata
 
Fonebone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,950
Originally Posted by JSanderO View Post
Heard a radio talking head claim the collapse was caused by crappy insulation associated with a Gotti family contractor.

Does that "radio talking-head" have a name? That statement is a blatent antisamnitic slur and
this "talking-head should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. You
practice your craft in New York City i believe. Name the radio station's call letters as well.
You should be ashamed to post this garbage statement to
a public forum with no evidence to back the "talking dimwit's" asinine tripe.
__________________
Truth, like the sun, allows itself to be obscured;
but, like the sun, only for a time. __Bovee
Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light. __George Washington
All great truths begin as blasphemies __Shaw

Last edited by Fonebone; 17th October 2023 at 06:00 PM.
Fonebone is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Conspiracies and Conspiracy Theories » 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:00 PM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.