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25th February 2013, 04:39 PM | #201 |
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You're the one making the claims, do your own research.
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25th February 2013, 04:41 PM | #202 |
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You don't know?
Vacuum has no temperature. You didn't know this? I cannot answer that without violating the terms of this forum A pleseant 15C. Now what? |
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25th February 2013, 04:49 PM | #203 |
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I do not need to prove anything. I simply point out facts. The claim is the space monkeys had their suits on during the Apollo 11 lunar stay, suits off in the LM during the much longer Apollo 15 stay. The Apollo 11 astronauts said the temp was borderline unbearably cold. The Apollo 15 space monkeys said it was uncomfortably hot. The question is does the suit issue account for the difference? The answer of course has to do with how hot or cold they claimed it to be inside the LMs. So how hot or cold was it? Not proving anything. Just pointing out the space monkeys were never on the moon so they really don't deserve the moniker space monkey now do they ?
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25th February 2013, 04:51 PM | #204 |
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25th February 2013, 04:54 PM | #205 |
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25th February 2013, 04:55 PM | #206 |
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Exactly wrong. Your claim, your burden of proof of your claim.
Yet you have none. Wrong. Citation please. Citation please. What "suit issue"? |
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25th February 2013, 04:57 PM | #207 |
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You're the one bluffing. You said you had a rigorous argument. You were asked to present it. You refused, and instead went on a question-begging song and dance.
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First, your claim was that you had been shown a persuasive argument allegedly written by an engineer who, according to you, successfully challenged Jack Swigert. Our ability or willingness to estimate the temperature of the lunar module has absolutely nothing to do with that claim. You either have it and can produce it here, or you do not. Second, your argument is based on an expectation that the lunar module should be some specific temperature in all circumstances. We could stipulate to practically any temperature you cite, and your argument would still be based on that flawed premise. I asked you to substantiate the premise and you have refused. LM temperature estimates are a red herring until you fix the fatal flaw in your line of reasoning. |
25th February 2013, 05:00 PM | #208 |
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Your claims don't become facts until you prove them. Yes, you have a burden of proof.
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25th February 2013, 05:28 PM | #209 |
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25th February 2013, 05:36 PM | #210 |
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So how hot WAS the LM? How how hot would you expect it to be? Why?
Without those numbers you don't really have a point at all, do you? |
25th February 2013, 05:37 PM | #211 |
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How's this for a rigorous argument. When the Apollo 11 make believe moon walker space monkeys Armstrong and Aldrin separated from Michael Collins the make believe space monkey CM pilot and guy who really couldn't write his way out of a paper bag so had that load of dung Carrying the Fire written for his transparent buttock, who kept the thermometer? Did the make believe moon walker space monkeys keep the medical kit with the thermometer? Or did denser than all get out Collins who can barely form a full sentence let alone write a book keep it? I think they should have pretended to give it to Armstrong and Aldrin so they could at least pretend to take their temperature when they claimed to be so cold. Instead, there were no transmissions for many hours while the super cold astronauts "slept", or tried to sleep. Geee that's funny. The astronauts are super cold and you are not even talking to them. Pretty darn make believe ain't it? So make believe astronaut temps aside, does the LM itself have a thermometer in it? What was the temp in the LM during the Apollo 11 stay? How about the Apollo 15 stay? Surely they had to know how hot or cold they were? They did a great job of informing us during the make believe Apollo 13 thing did they not? This thing is so fake I want to puke.
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25th February 2013, 05:40 PM | #212 |
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NASA monkey Al bean says they had to cool off the LM with battery power. Al knows how hot the make believe LM was. It's common knowledge ain't it? Don' they have a record of that? Especially since the space monkeys got so cold and so hot. Not a very good LM if they cannot tell its temp.
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25th February 2013, 05:43 PM | #213 |
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25th February 2013, 06:01 PM | #214 |
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Indomitablespirit, why don't you learn to punctuate your sentences before criticizing someone else's writing skills?
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25th February 2013, 06:03 PM | #215 |
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Not rigorous at all. Not even an argument -- just a long rant.
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25th February 2013, 06:46 PM | #216 |
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Talk to them during the sleep period? How is that supposed to help them sleep? Or is the CAPCOM's cooing supposed to warm their hearts and soothe them into sleep?
Now where's that study that showed conspiracy theorists' astounding ability to hold contradictory beliefs? |
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25th February 2013, 06:59 PM | #217 |
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25th February 2013, 07:02 PM | #218 |
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Who said that?
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25th February 2013, 07:05 PM | #219 |
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25th February 2013, 07:15 PM | #220 |
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25th February 2013, 07:19 PM | #221 |
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25th February 2013, 07:35 PM | #223 |
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<whisper> Booorrrrmaaann poooooop, Booooorrrrrmaaaaan pooop... </whisper>
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25th February 2013, 11:33 PM | #224 |
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indomitable"justsaying"spirit's posts are, from what I can tell, unsubstantiated gibberish. Not a single reference or number or quote in them, just stream of consciousness babbling.
What he will find is that every single one of his 'points' can be refuted and thrown in the garbage with the minimum of effort by anyone who has so far responded to him. All of his questions can be answered, but frankly all it needs is google, so why should anyone put any effort in? |
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25th February 2013, 11:48 PM | #225 |
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When you state "all the technology that we have today" I assume you refer to microcircuits used for computing and communications. While those things are indeed quite spiffy, they provide zero thrust. The Soviets proved repeatedly that missions could be run with control systems barely more sophisticated than your average washing machine.
The actual rocket motors used to push things off the surface of the earth are very expensive and derive very little direct benefit from the application of micro-circuitry. |
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Hello folks, I've been reading these posts for a couple of years, but this is my first post. I'd just like to say, keep up the good work.
On a seperate topic, anyone here remember the Apollo missions to the moon? Weren't they great? Though I suspect if one was not yet born at the time they may look like fiction. I'm so old I remember Gemini and all the preperation that went into Apollo. But I must say I've learned a lot from Jay and the others who kindly fill in the details for us, so hats off to you. |
26th February 2013, 04:46 AM | #228 |
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26th February 2013, 07:40 AM | #229 |
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I think it's time for the Mitchell and Webb clip again.
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26th February 2013, 09:21 AM | #231 |
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You know the hoax theory is dead when this is the best we get!
Not even an attempt at anything rational just flinging insults! |
26th February 2013, 03:10 PM | #232 |
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I see Patrick is back.
How many posts did he last this time? |
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26th February 2013, 03:39 PM | #233 |
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I remember getting toy Mercury capsules and Atlas rockets when I was little. My grandpa worked on the Saturn V that lifted Apollo 8 to lunar orbit, and yes I watched the 1st moonwalk live. It was an exciting time to be alive. I like Jay's writing too. I followed him here from BAUT.
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26th February 2013, 04:41 PM | #234 |
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I have the Bad Astronomy book and a t shirt
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26th February 2013, 05:01 PM | #236 |
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You must be younger than me, because I remember the last part of the Mercury programme as well as Gemini!
The problem with delusional idiots like indomitablespirit (who is, by the way, just another sockpuppet for the well known Patrick-of-a-thousand-names) is that they judge the video on today's standards of cinematography. They see little two minute yootoob videos and think that is all there is, and how easy that would be to fake, when in fact the whole thing was continuously broadcast live for hours on end. Quite aside from the technical impossibility of faking the physics of working in a 1/6th G, vacuum environment, it would have required them to fake flawless, three or four hour continuous live video in a single "take". ANY cinematographer will tell you that this is quite simply impossible, even now, with modern equipment and techniques. And of course, most importantly NO CGI in 1969!!! In Tom Hanks' miniseries "From Earth to the Moon" the few minutes of lunar surface video we saw took hours of takes and retakes to get right, and even then, while they were able to partially simulate the gait of the astronauts using helium weather balloons and cables, they were unable to simulate the movement of natural objects such as moondust and rocks. |
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26th February 2013, 05:10 PM | #237 |
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I was a year old in July 1969....had other things on my nascent mind mostly to do with food and milk
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26th February 2013, 08:54 PM | #239 |
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