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This is the 3rd day of the challenge to the hoaxers to present physical evidence of the holohoax. So far nothing save the cans of Zyklon, and the door to the hoax gas chamber, but hey, I presented that evidence. And, I'm going to continue helping you out.
But first, let's see some examples of conflict from the more distant past .... to find physical artifacts you go to a museum, so we can find a helmet from the Peloponnesian war, circa 400 bc, in the British museum ... To see a musket from the US civil war 160 years ago we go to the VMI museum ... So, where do we find physical artifacts of the holohoax, circa 1945? Why the USHMM of course ..... and what do we find? Shoes ! which also has a poem, not found in the other museums ... But not just any shoes ... "We are the shoes, we are the last witnesses. We are shoes from grandchildren and grandfathers From Prague, Paris and Amsterdam, And because we are only made of fabric and leather And not of blood and flesh, Each one of us avoided the hellfire." |
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also these - where you dodged discussion of physical evidence when the discussion didn't go your way:
4. how corpses can be burned . . . 8. physical evidence for the murder of Jews at Chełmno . . . 12. mass graves at Žagare and "Ilokiai" in Lithuania . . . 15. follow-up questions about Babi Yar |
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You at least seem to understand the question, but .... a list of links won't do.
I could ask ..... prove the holocaust happened, and you could respond ... see.. www.ushmm.org but that ain't gonna get it. If you can present and discuss some element of physical evidence, do so. If you can present one credible Jewish eyewitness and discuss their testimony, along with corroborating testimony, and physical or documentary evidence that supports their testimony do so. If you can name one person who was gassed at Auschwitz and present the evidence for it, do so. Otherwise the challenge is unanswered. |
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I repeat my challenge to you for your survival hoax. Witnesses or evidence of the survival of millions of Jews, Gays, Handicapped, Roma and Political Opponents who disappeared under the National Socialist Government in Germany 1933 - 1945 and in Occupied Europe 1939 - 1945. If you can't produce evidence or witnesses then Saggy, by your own logic (I use the word loosely of course) then there were no survivors and you and your ilk are perpetrating a huge hoax on the rest of us. This is how this works, isn't it?
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How about hair?
https://inspireinvolveimprove.files....4/dscn3772.jpg The Poles tested some of that hair after the war and found cyanide: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/holo...945-t1894.html They also tested other items from Krema II and found cyanide on them as well. Scroll down to get the English translation, Saggy. Yeah, I know, the Germans fumigated the hair to get rid of lice....except that there is no evidence that the hair was fumigated. Per SK statements the hair was hung above the ovens to dry. At Auschwitz the SK's cut the hair from the corpses after gassing operations. Processing would take care of eggs and lice desert their hosts when they no longer have a supply of blood. Hey, Saggy? You dodged my above comment, just like I knew you would. I'll take your silence on this as evidence you have no evidence of your own, just like every denier I meet. You can't prove your alternate theory so you ignore it. Thanks for confirming to me you don't have a clue. |
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Saggy, you wrote: "we have a standing challenge for the hoaxers - to post any example, a photo would be nice, of physical evidence."
So guess what I did? Within the rules of the forum - recall you got slapped on this just today - I posted links to many photographs of physical evidence of the genocide. Unlike your example of a generic link to USHMM, which you try pretending is what I gave you, the links I posted take you to precisely what you asked for: many photos of physical evidence for mass murder. If you are truly interested, you should in fact be glad for those links, as they give you more than what you requested. If you have something to say about these cases, nothing is stopping you - so I can only assume you are rattled by the many examples and really don't know how to deal with them. Also, as you know, weeks ago I posted about various forms physical evidence of mass murder at Chełmno: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=2895. You decided not to discuss this evidence when you were shown by both LeoMajor and me not to have a clue about Chełmno and this work. Today Dash80 re-posted about the Łucja Pawlicka-Nowak study. You ignored his post. For some odd reason you like posting images - but won't accept my responding to your request for images with, er, images. So please stop dodging. Btw you forgot to reply with answers to my questions about the forging of documents on both sides of the Iron curtain, torture of the Einsatzgruppen trial defendants, and witnesses Krzepicki and Rabinowicz. As you know, these last two, Krzepicki and Rabinowicz, were offered many weeks ago in reply to you claim that all witnesses to the mass murder of Jews are liars - yet you refuse to discuss what's been presented about their testimonies. I know why. You seem to have decided on mind-numbing and tedious repetition and excruciatingly transparent dodging as your key strategies. |
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Which doesn't mean they are not evidence of mass murder. You've added non sequiturs to you repertoire, goodie.
We are not discussing a war fought between contesting militaries - we are discussing genocide, a mass murder carried out against civilian populations during a war. Oftentimes civilians wear shoes. When civilians are killed, they no longer need their shoes - so they may be left behind for the killers. This is analogous to the personal effects of civilian victims found on the grounds of the Chełmno execution assembly point. “On 29 May 1942 less than a third (31.7 percent) of the Western European Jews remained” in Łódź ghetto, according to Trunk. “. . . over 50 percent were sent directly to death at Chelmno.” These were Jews brought to Chełmno from Germany, the Protectorate and other parts of central Europe. Some of thee abandoned personal effects point to the locations from which the victims originated, providing confirmation of the fate of central and western European Jews brought first to Łódź ghetto, then starting in May 1942 to Chełmno: the excavations found objects brought to the mansion by Reich Jews as they were processed there for murder in a gassing van, and discarded near the granary and former sorting tent. This physical evidence fits with other evidence showing that these Jews - from Germany, Austria and the Protectorate; also even Luxembourg - were brought not to the White Sea or chimerical settlements in Unicornland but to Chełmno. There's no trace of them after their presence at Chełmno. According to the Museum of the former Extermination Camp in Chełmno-on-Ner, objects brought to the mansion by Reich Jews as they were processed there for gassing vans, and discarded near the granary and former sorting tent, were found in excavations of refuse pits on the grounds of the complex:
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Like the shoes you try using as a sick joke, these personal belongings which victims "left behind" at Chełmno - taken with deportation records, testimonies, and other sources (including archaeological study of the mass graves in the forest) - are evidence for the mass murder of their owners. |
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You can quickly review
The Auschwitz Album is the only surviving visual evidence of the process leading to the mass murder at Auschwitz-Birkenau. which of course includes not one iota of 'visual evidence of the process leading to mass murder', but does document the fact that prisoners at Auschwtiz were given uniforms including shoes and had their heads shaved. |
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False. That is precisely what the photographs in the album show, as you were informed about 2 weeks ago (http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=3494). The album "documents in about 200 photos . . . the arrival, selection, confiscation of property, and preparation for the physical liquidation of a Jewish 'transport' to Auschwitz-Birkenau. . . . the album [ ] document[s] the dispatch of a Jewish transport of deportees in the spring of 1944 . . ." (The album shows more than this, of course, for example, how in the selection process arriving prisoners were processed for a stay in the camp and/or to be shuffled to a worksite/labor camp.)
This particular photograph from the Jacob album, for example, played a key role in Eric Hunt's defection from Holocaust denial. The photograph shows, according to Pressac, four Hungarian Jews "directed towards the entrance to [Krema V's] vestibule." Hunt's analysis is not entirely convincing but this much is mostly correct, "The woman was brought to this Crematorium, likely via the truck in the photograph, from the train tracks on the other side of the camp. That the elderly were taken by truck from the train tracks on the other side of the camp to these crematories matches with many other witness accounts. This woman may have heard the rumors, or otherwise realized she was going to be executed. She may have heard screams from inside the crematorium. She is being dragged towards a gas chamber in Crematorium 5 . . . There has been and is no reasonable “Revisionist” answer to explain away this photograph." Hunt went on the analyze what is shown in the photo against other evidence, to place it at Krema V. (https://archive.fo/DoGTn#selection-429.0-429.70) Here is a better interpretation of the photo: https://holocaustcontroversies.blogs...soners-on.html. There is a lot more that can be said about this single photo, showing the minutes before prisoners were taken to the Krema for gassing, but let's leave it here for now, showing how dishonest your repetitious claims are. |
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Oh I'm sure he'll come along with some kind of denier tantrum about that one.
He won't even deal with the far more explicit Sonderkammando photographs. |
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Another example of the strength of your analysis, I see.
As for the desperation of hoaxers, I myself didn't see anything that special about the photo: but it helped convince Eric Hunt, hardly a mainstream advocate of the Holocaust or a "lying Jew," in large measure through his study of the physical features in the photo, that it could show nothing other than the minutes before victims went to the Krema V gas chambers. Do you ever have anything of substance to say? Or is it always handwaving and scoffing with you? |
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Brief tantrum: more argument from incredulity.
Actually, Saggy doesn't deal with anything. I post mainly - riffing on deniers' obsessions - to provide readers with evidence based material and perhaps initiate some discussions amongst those truly interested. (Saggy's obsessions suspiciously mirror those of the incompetent creator of the holohoax101 website - which is presented in strikingly familiar terms, eh.) That said, Saggy's tactics sometimes also need calling out |
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I am calling you out as a bare face liar. Physical evidence, credible witnesses, people who were gassed and the evidence has been presented on numerous occasions.
Meanwhile, you refuse to evidence your own beliefs. Which makes you a hypocrite. You are a hypocrite and a liar. |
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So if one person is found lying about something it didn't happen?
Okay, I dig that, Hitler was eight feet tall. Now by your logic Hitler is a hoax, as I'm sure you know I was lying. Seeing as he is a hoax now, you can pack up your ball and go home, no need to defend someone who doesn't exist. |
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Not 'one person', Nobel prize winner and first director of the USHMM tells prima facie whoppers in his book 'Night' which I haven't even gotten to. The 'prima facie' is important, everyone knows that Wiesel is lying on first reading.
Spielberg chose 5 from his collection of 50,000 and they are all prima facie idiotic liars, Zisblatt is just the most exterme example, as Eric Hunt demonstrates in his movie 'The Last Days'. A. Bomba is one of the most idiotic, and he is featured on the USHMM site. Ditto Venezia. So, it's not a drunk in the bar that is lying, all these 'eyewitnesses' are endorsed by the entire holohoax establishtment, thus, the whole establishment is lying. Now, if you can formulate a rational response, please do so. |
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Be sure to include adjectives when replying to Saggy - he uses them instead of evidence. Saggy's idea of "rational response": ". . . prima facie whoppers . . . everyone knows . . . all prima facie idiotic liars . . . the most exterme [sic] example . . . one of the most idiotic . . . thus, the whole establishment is lying."
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And he's been proven wrong on the one claim he made about Wiesel
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Anyone who studies any of the witness testimony will quickly discover that it is prima facie absurd. Another of my favorites is F. Meuller, who is by the way according to Yad Vashem director Yehuda Bauer the only man who saw the Jewish people die and lived to tell about it, and his testimony is incomparably absurd.
Don't take my word for it. But do note that the challenge to name one credible Jewish eyewitness and discuss their testimony, along with any corroborating testimony, and any physical or documentary evidence that supports their testimony, goes unanswered. |
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