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2nd December 2020, 06:15 PM | #161 |
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Trump’s witnesses in Michigan fraud hearing make ridiculous claims To poke at a couple summary excerpts...
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2nd December 2020, 08:09 PM | #162 |
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2nd December 2020, 08:14 PM | #163 |
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2nd December 2020, 08:26 PM | #164 |
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2500 more duplicate ballots are being audited.
I wonder if there is any independent oversight of the highly partisan people doing this audit. |
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2nd December 2020, 08:37 PM | #165 |
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2nd December 2020, 09:05 PM | #166 |
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2nd December 2020, 09:07 PM | #167 |
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2nd December 2020, 09:31 PM | #168 |
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Meh. Leopards ... faces ... etc., etc.. There's more honor to be expected among thieves than among narcissistic, hypocritical, bigots and racists whose only guiding principle is to accumulate more power at any cost. I'd only be surprised that they should find it surprising. |
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2nd December 2020, 09:41 PM | #169 |
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It is a bit odd. They are rather vague on what happened. The motion for continued inspection reporting on the findings on the 100 ballots and asking to now review 2,500 ballots says:
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for Trump". That makes it sound like the voter wrote the word "blank" on the write-in line and that got copied to the duplicated ballot and that is something that would cause the machine to record it as a overvote even though there clearly was not actually a write-candidate. I'm not sure how that works in Arizona. In other state an overvote from a write-in would require that the ballot be manually reviewed to determine whether there is actually a write-in and not just some markings like a line or "x" or something by the voter to indicate no write-in candidate. There were no errors found in the review of 100 mail-in ballots. A team of handwriting experts reviewed the signatures for those ballots. No fraudulent signatures were found. There were 8-10% that were inconclusive because they did not have the number of required sample signatures available to meet the standards for expert handwriting analysis. But of all the signatures that could be reviewed, there were no errors found. That is 2 errors out of 100 duplicated ballots reviewed. There were no other errors (at least as it affected any votes for Trump or Biden). One was a switch to Biden from Trump, which would diminished Biden's lead by 2 votes. And one vote for Trump not counted which would diminished Biden's lead by 1 vote. That decreases Biden's lead by 3 votes. Arizona has not released the total number of duplicated ballots, but there are reports of an estimate of 28,000. If the error rate of the initial review remains constant in a review of all of those ballots, it would decrease Biden's lead by 840 votes leaving a lead of 9,617. |
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3rd December 2020, 03:48 AM | #170 |
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Trump's team star witness is a drunk woman who achieves the impossible feat of making Giulaini look embarrassed.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1334315220815278080 |
3rd December 2020, 06:44 AM | #171 |
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3rd December 2020, 09:00 AM | #173 |
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No. This was an actual hearing, although with some unusual twists, like not having people take oaths before testifying.
https://www.mlive.com/public-interes...our-power.html |
3rd December 2020, 09:10 AM | #174 |
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3rd December 2020, 09:13 AM | #175 |
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Georgia hearings now on @OANN. Amazing! The “Republican” Governor of Georgia, @BrianKempGA, and the Secretary of State, MUST immediately allow a signature verification match on the Presidential Election. If that happens, we quickly and easily win the State and importantly, pave the way for a big David and Kelly WIN! |
3rd December 2020, 11:25 AM | #176 |
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3rd December 2020, 11:28 AM | #177 |
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The Dear Leader couldn't be left out of the Bolivarian team that stole the elections
Roger Stone Says North Korean Boats Delivered Ballots Through Maine Harbor As Trump Boosts Fraud Claims |
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3rd December 2020, 12:17 PM | #180 |
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I read a little of a document that purported to be affidavits from Pennsylvania. This appeared to be a pdf made from a scan of handwritten affidavits, so was not the easiest thing to read. I sampled only a pretty small portion of it, but it seemed primarily to be Republican poll watchers miffed that they had been made to follow some rule or other that they didn't like, and therefore the whole process was fraudulent.
As for the one about an Asian man carrying ballots, I have no doubt that many trumpanzees firmly believe that only white people should be handling ballots. |
3rd December 2020, 12:22 PM | #181 |
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Wow! Blockbuster testimony taking place right now in Georgia. Ballot stuffing by Dems when Republicans were forced to leave the large counting room. Plenty more coming, but this alone leads to an easy win of the State! |
3rd December 2020, 12:23 PM | #182 |
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Team Trump @TeamTrump Video footage from Georgia shows that poll workers were told to stop counting and leave, while 4 people stayed behind to continue counting ballots in private (video in link) (https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status...66301205925889) |
3rd December 2020, 12:25 PM | #183 |
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Team Trump @TeamTrump WATCH: Video footage from Georgia shows suitcases filled with ballots pulled from under a table AFTER supervisors told poll workers to leave room and 4 people stayed behind to keep counting votes (video in link) https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status...69329334083586 |
3rd December 2020, 01:23 PM | #184 |
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Probably not from Sagan. I was curious because I'm used to believing to be a necessary precondition for knowing. The sense I use the term (which is common in epistemology) is that belief means something like accepting as true, with or without evidence. Some people (like the author of that quote) use the term belief to mean accepting as true without evidence. The person answering the question on quora is, to be sure, no authority known to me, but his argument seems plausible. The nub is that Sagan's use of the term "believe" is similar to mine, which would make the quotation nonsensical. Sorry, your quotation just made me curious so I very briefly looked into it. I could sure be wrong and Sagan maybe did say it somewhere, but he's also the kind of author that quotes get attached to. Anyway, thought I'd mention it. |
3rd December 2020, 01:26 PM | #185 |
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Pretty easy to explain this.
Suppose you had a cheating voting machine. Where would you put it? I'd put it in counties that are deep red and change a smallish percentage of the vote, so that the county remained red but not quite so red. Do this in enough places and you flip the state. Not that I'm suggesting this happened, of course. Just pointing out that this isn't particularly good evidence against a conspiracy. |
3rd December 2020, 01:32 PM | #186 |
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Now the targets are his colleagues and employees and he has taken an official stand. Whether he should have privately taken a stand previously is a whole separate matter. Pretty common for folks to take a stand only against the opposition after all.
I've never taken a public stand against threats of violence by Trump's followers or, oh, I don't know, Antifa? Do they make threats? If they do, I ain't never said anything publicly about it and if I did, no one would give a damn. This guy is a bit more authoritative than me, sure, but I don't necessarily criticize him for not speaking out until the threats fell on the turf of his office. (I will certainly critize Congressmen who never comment on Trump's abhorrent behavior, because that's a lot more in their purview.) |
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3rd December 2020, 02:35 PM | #189 |
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“Nevada 'fraud': 1,500 ‘dead’ voters, 42,248 voted ‘multiple times,’ RV camps as 'homes'” The Trump campaign on Wednesday unveiled a tranche of information it plans to present to a Nevada state court Thursday that suggests that there were thousands of fraudulent votes cast -- possibly... washingtonexaminer.com |
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Dominion contractor at Detroit counting center says thousands of ballots were scanned multiple times Melissa Carone provided Tuesday evening testimony in Michigan justthenews.com Pro-Biden effort offered Native Americans $25-$500 Visa gift cards, jewelry to vote Key Native American leaders working with the Biden campaign offered tribal members and associates Visa gift cards, jewelry and other “swag” to vote in the presidential election, according to several... washingtonexaminer.com |
3rd December 2020, 05:16 PM | #191 |
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ELECTION IN GEORGIA IS NOW PROVEN TO BE A FRAUD. |
3rd December 2020, 05:33 PM | #192 |
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There was supposed to be a hearing on an actual fraud case in Nevada, where Republicans were going to actually put actual evidence in front of an actual court.
But, actually, it appears they dropped the case. https://knpr.org/headline/2020-12/ne...-fraud-lawsuit I'm not absolutely certain the case in the story above is the same case I was expecting to be heard today, but I think it is. It's so hard to keep all of them straight. They seem to all have the same themes, and all have the same outcomes, so they end up all looking the same. ETA: The lawsuit I was expecting to get a hearing was the one referenced in this story: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...ing-on-lawsuit. It's not clear to me if that was the same lawsuit dropped later that day. |
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3rd December 2020, 06:06 PM | #194 |
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I was just pointing out that a reasonably intelligent believer in the theft of the election would not be persuaded by such reasoning.
Yes, yes, I know, everyone will balk at that phrase "reasonably intelligent believer" but in fact I think they exist. Most conspiracy theories sucker in some reasonably intelligent folks and this one has the advantage of an authority pushing it. I don't talk politics to too many Trumpers. One old college buddy I talk to once in a while. I don't talk politics to my Okie family, because it's useless. I have a friend at the marina who is a Trump supporter. I don't know him too well, but last time I saw him, he was speaking glowingly of Sidney Powell and totally buys into the theft of the election narrative. Aside from his wholehearted support of the president, he always struck me as reasonably intelligent, but I'll admit that I don't know him well enough to make a confident judgment. |
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3rd December 2020, 06:42 PM | #197 |
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3rd December 2020, 06:47 PM | #200 |
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People in Georgia got caught cold bringing in massive numbers of ballots and putting them in “voting” machines. Great job @BrianKempGA! Governor @dougducey of Arizona hired a lawyer today. Wouldn’t allowing a strong check of ballots, which would be easier and so much better for our Country, be easier on him and the great State of Arizona? |
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