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10th July 2021, 09:25 AM | #41 |
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Jackson Lahmeyer, a pastor from Oklahoma who is running for the US Senate (against GOP incumbent James Lankford who lost his party's support when he expressed doubt that the 2020 election was fraudulent) has been eagerly courting the QAnon vote as part of his campaign, even attending conspiracy-cons and associating with key QAnon figureheads like Lin Wood and (lately) Michael Flynn.
However, recently unwittingly made a fatal mistake that may cost him all of his easy-won support. Quite innocently, among the many campaign trail photographs that he has posted, he happened to include one of his daughter, and in that photo she happened to be wearing red shoes. This is a serious problem, because unbeknownst to Lahmeyer, at some point in the last few months QAnons have synthesized the belief that members of The Cabal photograph their children wearing red shoes as a coded message to other The Cabal members indicating that they are ritually molesting and sex-trafficking that child for Satan. So this full-MAGA Trump-worshipping church pastor is now having to defend himself online against a rapidly spreading rumor among the people that he has been pandering to that he is really a Cabal conspirator who secretly worships Satan and eats babies. |
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And there it was. I thought that red shoes were the only way to get out of Oz. Or was that another colour?
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17th July 2021, 09:59 AM | #46 |
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Likely, it's more believable to them because it's the kind of thing that they would do. It may be worth remembering that one of the main attractions to insane CTs is making up for lack of emotional... validation by means of being able to convince oneself that one is better than others because they see things that so many others don't. Another way of dealing with said problem is to show off in in-group ways that you don't think that others will get, again allowing one to convince themself that they're superior to the ignorant. Given the nature of that problem, it also notably enables projection for multiple reasons on top of that. The specific justifications then, are generally just window dressing.
To poke at the crowd in question, though, it's probably also worth noting that white supremacists and the like are fairly well known for engaging in such behavior. |
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Alex Jones says that it's some type of galactic law, that the evildoers have to publicly post their evil plans. Like when you take out an ad in the newspaper before you foreclose on a tax lien, or close a dormant bank account.
No, I am not making this up. I just heard him talk about the "ad in the newspaper" thing last week. |
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I'm sure it's also easy to attribute it to a Riddler-style desire to cryptically announce one's evil plans in advance in order to feel smug about how nobody figured it out. Or to "someone on the inside" trying to sabotage the effort by leaving clues. Or to being so arrogant they think people should be expected to approve.
There's lots of ways to explain away the unrealistic. |
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Sure they have! All the predicted CT events that don't happen. Their clever vigilance prevented them.
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Fantastic!
So the Evil Them broadcast their Evil Intentions to do Evil Things Because Evil around the world. Then the plucky resistance, with their special clip-on sunglasses and swishy leather coats, watch the broadcasts, put up a YouTube video about it, and the entire plan falls through. It seems like something of a flaw in the plan, to me, especially as they've supposedly been doing the same thing for decades, but constantly getting thwarted by something as trivial as a kid with a smartphone. I blame NWO recruitment procedures. Plans like this need qualified staff. You just can't get decent people of hench* these days. ETA: The NWO is an Evil Opportunities Employer, as I'm sure you all know. |
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It also puts me in mind of the Evangelical hysteria about Satanism in the '80s. Evangelical radio and print was full of dire warnings about the imminent outlawing of Christianity - how the government was going to start rounding up the Born Again and shipping them off to camps. I remember reading one sensational bit of fundamentalist speculative fiction, set in the late '80s, that depicted a few Christian families gathered together in a basement for a secret church service. Suddenly sinister, heavily armed government agents from an agency specifically tasked with rooting out hiden Christians burst in and roughly arrest everyone. They're tossed into the backs of unmarked vans and driven for several hours to a heavily guarded, fenced compound in the middle of nowhere. There they're separated from their children, whom they're told will be sent to facilities to be "deprogrammed" of their religious beliefs, and are given the choice of publicly renouncing their beliefs or spending the resto of their lives incarcerated.
I remember when I first encountered excerpts and summaries of The Turner Diaries, I was reminded of the style of that story. |
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Ah, I remember when UNIX was going to be the next big OS, 'any day now'. Took about twenty years and a name change or two, but it sneaked in behind the scenes.
So stay alert, comrades, the take-over could sneak through when you're looking the other way... |
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There's no underestimating the credulity of a Q-nut.
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My reading is that he thinks the shooting was a hoax, but a convincing hoax that the son was a bystander to. Fake bodies, fake shooter, blank gunshots, an elaborate false flag performance that would bamboozle both bystanders, like the son, and the greater public.
Sounds more like the father thinks the son is being duped, not that he is complicit. ETA: At least, that's my hunch. My limited experience with these CT's is that most think the shootings did actually happen, but that they were orchestrated false flag operations using varying amounts of theatrics, crisis actors, and props. Some may claim the actual shooting and deaths were real but were planned by (((nefarious actors))), others might claim more elaborate hoaxes involving fake bodies and fictional actors. Those that believe more elaborate hoaxes tend to be the most toxic, because that often means that they believe real victims are actually in on the hoax. Harassment of surviving families is common as these cranks try to out the "truth". IIRC, one parent of a Sandy Hook victim had to keep the location of his slain child's grave a secret, as he fears that truthers might try to exhume the body. |
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I suppose we should not be too surprised that it has come to thi:
California dad killed his kids over QAnon and 'serpent DNA' conspiracy theories, feds say https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...iracy-n1276611 |
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I think belief in a conspiracy theory might qualify in some cases as an expression or symptom of paranoia, which obviously could rise to clinical significance. But I don't think everyone who believes or promotes conspiracy theories is mentally ill. For people who are already mentally ill in some ways, I think conspiracy theories act as an aggravating factor.
By the same token I don't believe everyone who promotes a conspiracy theory necessarily believes it. That's where the real danger lies. You have people recklessly promoting falsehoods for their own purposes, seemingly indifferent to the real-world effects that will have on people. The original QAnon seems to have done it just for a lark, or as a prank. And when pranks go wrong, the prankster is rightly held accountable for it, because recklessness is not excusable even if you think the benign result you intended is hilarious. There's a reason why yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater is not protected speech. I'm a firm believer in punishing people only for what they do, not what they think. But when what they do evinces either a complete disregard for others or an entirely uncritical approach to the facts, it seems appropriate for there to be some accountability. As a society we do hold people accountable for what they know, or what they should have known, as it directs their actions. The QAnon claims are so patently absurd on their face that at some point we have to demand some accountability from those who claim to believe them. |
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It's weird. My eldest is 19 and youngest not far behind. Functionally both adults now. But I have always encouraged questioning everything. On those occasions over the years when I have been stumped, my response has always been the same. "I don't know. Let's go find out." It has been a fun trip.
But this is different. The kids were a 2 yo and 8 months infant. When my two were that age my priority was nappies and the changing and disposal of same. The kids had no opinion of anything beyond my nappy is full, change me. |
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Both the linked article and the CNN article have him saying that he knew killing his children was wrong.
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I may be misremembering, but doesn't a statement like that impact a potential insanity defense? One of the factors is not realizing at the time of the crime that your actions are wrong? I remember reading an article on the application of the legal system in a superhero setting. Vigilante tries to kill several Senators due to the delusional belief that they're plotting to overthrow the government - Not a valid defense, since it wouldn't be justified to kill them, even if it were true. Villain believes the world is a fictional construct and he isn't actually hurting anyone because they aren't real - Valid defense. |
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