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23rd August 2022, 05:38 AM | #281 |
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I'm still not getting what you need a blank for. You just need some sound and smoke. A goddamn cap gun can do that. A gunshot sounds like easiest thing in the world to foley over.
The whole "modifying bullets" way of making a prop round sounds like... not just dangerous but overly complicated for no real reason. |
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Or to have no real firearms on the set.
The use of rubber 'weapons' for everything other than the 'hero prop' is already established widely in the movie industry. Having hero props, which look and move like the real thing is trivially easy to make, such that they are incapable of firing real ammunition. Might cost a bit upfront in the making, but these can be offset by not needing to have a fire arm insurance (or something like that) for the production company. Movie making is all about make believe. Movie money, telephone numbers and the like are all fake. There's no reason, why real firearms should ever be on the set. |
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There is even a whole industry that makes authentic-looking replicas that fire plastic pellets via compressed air. Between Airsoft props, foley, and adding muzzle flashes in post, there's probably no need for anything like a real gun anywhere near a movie set.
Certainly not for a reason as silly as "I can't act authentically in this scene without feeling the real weight of a real gun with real bullets in it." |
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.. . but blanks don't have recoil. |
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Is that why they used all those rubber firearms in various movies?
Besides. It is also possible to make something of a sliding mass inside the prop, so it can better fake recoil. Better at least than a letting the actor fake recoil with a squib load or something like that. And safer. Much safer. |
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Well okay I can see a valid point here. For a certain kind of verisimilitude. But if a director believes he has shots that need that verisimilitude, there are facsimile firearms that can do the trick, without being functional firearms capable of firing real bullets. Or if not, there should be.
And if you can't get your hands on one of those, then it's absolutely on you to make sure the real gun you're "forced" to use is properly safed. Even if you're just a big dumb actor who can't find the trigger if your finger is taped to it, you can always ask, "where's the armorer?" And if you're too dumb even for that, there's always the Director, the Producer, and the goddamn Director of Photography who's standing right in front of you while you wave a gun around, who can ask, "where's the armorer? |
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Again some of the most dynamic gun battles of all time have been filmed without so much as anything resembling a real gun or real round on set.
If Robert Rodriguez can make Once Upon a Time in Mexico, essentially a movie long shootout, almost 20 years ago on a budget of less than 30 million and make the gunplay look THAT good without using a single blank or modified weapon I don't know what problem we are possibly trying to solve. |
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It comes down to budget, and time.
Rubber guns are preferred because they'll come in under $10 to produce (molding, casting, & painting). Often, pop-houses stockpile rubber guns. They are always the best option based on production costs alone, especially in a movie with a lot of gun-carrying extras, and cast (cop, action, and war movies). You don't have to babysit them, you don't have to secure them, and they lower your insurance rate. Real guns and modified guns come in second because they can be rented, and the expense is still cheaper than CGI (for now), and cuts down post-production time. Real guns have been used safely on movie sets for just over a century, something that cannot be said of automobiles, motorcycles, or helicopters, which no one is demanding the end of their use in movies. We just coming up on the 40th anniversary of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre where the same principles were in play. Real chainsaws were used along with modified, and dummy chainsaws to create realistic on-screen action. No one was hurt because safety came first, and the movie's budget was under $140,000. |
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Dangerous activities require professionals who have a deep respect for that danger.
This set seems to have run off those professionals. Personal anecdote that is only tangentially related: |
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Even more tangentially related: My dad recently discovered that flying an airplane is a lot less fun than he thought it would be. Turns out the whole thing is an extended exercise in checklist management.
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Baldwin and Hutchins' family have reached a settlement in the civil case (subject to court approval).
The part I really wasn't expecting is that:
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I'm guessing that armorer doesn't qualify as "principal player" in this context and the former one probably won't be part of the crew in January. But it also sounds like they are trying to shield her/argue against criminal charges.
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With American oaters usually being either conservative or comedies (and I haven't seen any hint of this one being a comedy), and Alec's recent notoriety revolving around his sketches as Trump... I wonder what the thinking was in the casting sessions.
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Not sure why we wouldn't expect this movie to make some profit. It's really low budget. A third of it's budget has already been covered by distribution deals. And the cost of hiring a proper armorer and crew wouldn't come anywhere near breaking the budget.
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There is a stench of desperation from the prosecutors' office.
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I agree the manslaughter charge was ridiclous, but, since this whole film has been Baldwin's Baby from day one, I think he bears responsbilty for the incredibly unsafe procedures on the set which led to the shooting. He hired the cheapest help he could get, and disaster followed.
But of course he is a Liberal and has said nasty things abour Trump. so that should make him above the law. |
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I think the DA looked at a situation that was a cluster-****, full of incompetent people in key positions. One option would be to charge them all, but it would be hard to convict in front of a jury as it would become clear these people are self-absorbed morons, and D-list movie people.
This is a much better civil case, as already demonstrated. The fact that they're going to finish the movie tells you how thoughtless the production team truly is. Oh, and the DA was staring down Hollywood lawyers, the AK-47 of the legal world. Look up the case surrounding a death during the filming of The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing. Didn't happen on set, but the rumors surrounding this story will keep Hollywood gossip types busy. |
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The DA, stated the gun was modified that's the new evidence and dirt or sand interference in the mechanisms function could have been shaken out by the bullets recoil.
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