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9th January 2022, 05:38 PM | #321 |
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And?
They've had 16 years to investigate this issue. What have they found? They have their own police force and their own intelligence agency, are you telling us that they've found nothing? Hold that thought. Funny thing, in 1976, the US Congress created theHouse Select Committee on Assassinations to take another look at the JFK and MLK assassinations. In the end they found nothing conclusive and made some rumors worse. It gets better... In 2007, Senator Harry Reid secured funding for an investigation into UFOs. Do you see where I'm going with this? Squeaky wheels get the grease. Just because a small group thinks something happened doesn't mean it happened. The man went down with the ship. End of story. |
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BBC Radio One news, 16th August 1977 on the day he died.
We were camping in a field at Newton Mulgrave just by the farm on Newton Lane off the Hinderwell to Whitby coast road. I can’t remember the name of the farm but we had just bought a jug of milk off them from the cooler in the milking barn, fresh from the cow. |
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Jutta Rabe is not disgraced at all. She lost her job and was menaced and threatened for daring to investigate. Good journalists tend to be nosey and want to find out what is being kept secret, like Henrik Evertsson, for example, or John Pilger, or Paul Foot. They are not always right but their heart is in the right place.
I thought Baltic Storm was an interesting take, but pure fiction. But then I began to look into this case more, and the more I found out, the more horrified I was to realise that Baltic Storm is actually more a fictitionalised documentary than a fiction film. Horrifying true in essence. I believe Baltic Storm is banned in Sweden. |
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Jutta Rabe seems to think that a German news company had one of its reports about the cover up of the Estonia crew being kidnapped seized by ‘security forces’ to suppress it.
She also claims to have seen Swedish flight logs for the helicopter crew that contain the names of the missing crew. Bonkers. |
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The families not knowing the fate of their loved ones was a 'disappearing' of them and they had to live with that uncertainty for forty years.
People spend a life time looking for a missing person. Far kinder to give them closure and just tell them one of their own was killed in action. No massive detail needs to be given. |
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You believe wrong, as usual.
However the director did ban Swedish journalists from the debut screening. |
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No it isn't. Stop attempting to obfuscate what enforced disappearance means.
There is, as you have pointed out yourself, a legal definition of enforced disappearance. Nothing you have mentioned comes close to meeting that definition. Words have meaning Vixen, no matter how much you wish they could mean whatever you want them to mean. |
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So where is her evidence to support the claims?
How do you know she was ‘privy to insider information’? Do you really think the German government collaborated with Sweden to suppress a story and seize materials relating to the Estonia officers kidnapping? Do you really think aircrew flight logs list names of people rescued and she had access to these logs on a Swedish air base? |
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No one is quizzing you to see what you can remember off the top of your head. Your audience's lack of trust in your offhand recollections is part of the issue.
The other posters here already have a good idea where you got the idea that the Egyptians deported by Sweden in 2002 were disappeared; you inadvertently told us yourself. You don't seem to appreciate how recognizable certain CT canards are to people used to confronting them. It's up to you to prove otherwise at this point. Either you have a non-Bollyn-adjacent source supporting your claim that the Egyptian's deportations were a case of enforced disappearance or you don't. If you do, pray do tell. If you don't, admit it so that we can put this toxic talking point in the bin with all the other CT trash. |
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You forget that nobody with an important job willingly talks to journalists unless they need to spin something.
You also forget she has never proven any of her charges about the Estonia being sunk by the Russians. She's not the first journalist to be disgraced by their own hubris. |
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By the way, this post is yet again a good example of Vixen's need to denigrate Sweden and the Swedish.
The name "Utö" is Swedish and it means simply "Outer Island". There are at least two Utös in Finland (and I strongly suspect there are more). I suspect that there are several in Sweden in addition to the most famous one next to Stockholm but haven't checked. They are all place names and there's absolutely no reason to consider any of them "the real one". They all are real places with that name. The Finnish island has a Swedish name because it is in an area that has been populated by Swedish-speaking people since before the start of recorded history. (Which starts quite late in Finland). The documented history of the more famous Finnish Utö starts at 1540s. There are claims that a pile of rocks was built there as a sea sign already in the 9th century, but I personally find that claim a bit dubious. I didn't go digging through the sources to see who proposed that, when, why, and based on what evidence. Quite a few internet sites mention it as an established fact. It may be true, but I need some convincing before I accept that. On the other hand, the Utö next to Stockholm has documented history going to several hundreds of years earlier. It is mentioned by that name in the Danish Itinerary that was written in the 13th century (probably sometime between 1240-90). The itinerary doesn't mention the Finnish Utö and we shouldn't really expect it to mention it because the sailing route that it describes goes well North of the island, from Kökar to Aspö. The Stockholm Utö was mentioned earlier than the Finnish one, it got permanent population before the Finnish one, and it now has far more inhabitants than the Finnish Utö. I don't see any reason why it would be less "real" than the Finnish one. |
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My theory is that the West (Bildt, Clinton, et al) feared that a face-off with Russia would see Russian troops using it as an excuse to reinvade Estonia. Sensitive political situation. Sweden for the CIA smuiggling Russian state secrets, the Russians warning the intelligence agencies to stop doing it and then exacting ruthless revenge when ignored. Why else would Sweden immediately cover it up, and th e UK sign a Baltic treaty, when it is nowhere near the Baltic.
Note how Russia exhumed every single one of the dead 97 Russian sailors in the Kursk disaster, at a much deeper and more difficult location than Estonia. |
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