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27th February 2022, 10:43 PM | #41 |
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Meanwhile, back in the real world, Scotland ends the need for vaccine passports:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-60546409 In England, they are no longer mandatory, and in Wales and Northern Ireland, their use is being restricted and wound down. Bubba, are you linking to mercola as a serious source? You still haven't answered my question. |
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Curiously you were only born because of this phenomenon.
There is actually quite a lot of viral DNA in the human genome. We are actually a viral chimera (and of course that ignores the bacterial DNA in mitochondria). There is not a pure human genome! One viral gene is essential for placental formation. Literally if this virus had not infected a distant ancestor and a bit of the virus DNA not been integrated in to our DNA you could not have been born. This phenomenon occurs naturally with natural virus infections - indeed this paper references this occurring natural Covid-19 infections. |
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Whoa. You are serious ! You think there is no difference: paper/digital vaccine passports. Where to begin ? . Considering the breadth and depth of the chasm between the significance (paper vs digital) most anyplace will do, to begin.......here is one: The Plandemic Enters Final Stage, Real Purpose Exposed https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...rid=1420852470 |
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I cannot help being amused by the perps in the way that they never provide a single piece of evidence that the believers of their story can brandish in defence of it. You have to hand it to them for how meticulous they are in making it a completely smoke'n'mirrors story or to a great degree at least. Most unfortunately, the pandemic psyop is not just a psyop, people's lives have been dramatically affected: our livelihoods, our lifestyles and our health in unimaginable ways.
They say it's rare https://twitter.com/theysayitsrare So as I repeat endlessly - only in response to the endless repetition of false claims about my own - my STEP ONE - The grounds provided for the suspicion of a "novel" virus are unscientific - has not been debunked. I have to say I'm little surprised at the dearth of material that might have been reasonably expected to be found to at least attempt to debunk it - I mean, there's absolutely nuthin' judging by what you guys have come up with: claims about hypoxaemia without shortness of breath with no data and gobbledygook such as "unknown pneumonia-like symptoms". I thought they'd be something slightly more convincing for a reason to suspect that 44 cases of pneumonia in a highly-polluted city in a country of over 2,000,000 cases a year indicated a "novel" virus. But no, the perps are good in their own way. They are scrupulous about not faking evidence for their narrative in such a way that it can be used to defend their nonsense. So STEP ONE still open to debunking. I request though that when you attempt to debunk it, do NOT simply provide links that are supposed to do that job - we can see where smartcooky seemingly diligently but, in fact, with breathtaking dishonesty, listed a load of links that - either: --- linked to an unrelated comment --- didn't link to the last comment in the conversation http://www.internationalskeptics.com...1&postcount=26 Ensure that your attempts at debunking are not just a link but contain words and please ensure they do not ignore my latest comment in the conversation. STEP 2 - THE DETERMINATION OF A "NOVEL" VIRUS IS UNSCIENTIFIC China CDC tells us: https://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/articl...e-4253b453d10c "On January 3, 2020, the first complete genome of the novel β genus coronaviruses (2019-nCoVs) was identified in samples of bronchoalveolar lavage fluid (BALF) from a patient from Wuhan by scientists of the National Institute of Viral Disease Control and Prevention (IVDC) through a combination of Sanger sequencing, Illumina sequencing, and nanopore sequencing." Yes, you read that right. A complete genome was constructed from bronchoalveolar fluid containing billions of particles taken from a single patient with pneumonia of the "cluster" of 44 (Dr Sam says 41 - not sure what happened to the other 3). From Dr Sam Bailey's video, Once Upon a Time in Wuhan "Although this might sound like some high-tech wizardry this complete genome is a fabrication. It was never shown that the sequence came from any virus let alone a new virus. The sequences were obtained from crude bronchoalveolar fluid samples obtained from a single designated case not from purified viral particles. From this crude sample containing billions of genetic fragments computer software was used to analyse potential combinations and then organise them into a hypothetical genome." "The original sequences came from a single case who was said to have covid-19 because --- they had detected some genetic sequences and --- these sequences mean the person has covid-19. Welcome to the circular reasoning of modern virology." |
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'Perps'? I would be interested to know what you think 'perps' means.
Much as I hate to use this dirty little meme, FIFY. Random twitter account posting unverified, unevidenced and anecdotal scat. Worthless. Indeed you do. I was planning to go through your whole post but what's the point? You're just going to vomit the same old crap all over the board, no matter what anyone says. |
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In reality, you have provided no "grounds" to debunk. You have merely provided incredulous opinion that you and other contrarians don't approve of the original method for suspecting a novel virus, for what IS a novel virus. Your "opinion" can only be self-debunked. Scientifically, ANYTHING out of the ordinary CAN be considered suspect, so your "opinion" is extremely prejudiced against facts, but it is nevertheless your ignorant opinion.
FYI, my links DO contain words. If you bothered to read them, you would notice. And, in general, your last comment is usually predicated on your laughable assumption that the rest of your post validated it. That rarely happens, so get used to such drivel being ignored. And you read that exactly how Bailey wanted you to - ignorantly. The Chinese source cited is a periodical synopsis of current events (at the time). I guess Bailey correctly assumed people like you wouldn't notice that the article's title begins with "Notes from the Field:". Do I need to explain what that means regarding the intricacies and specifics that are involved with the topics discussed? Relying on your unquestioning gullibility, Bailey makes her claims unchallenged, as the cited article contains nothing to refute them. To spell it out for you - that's because THE ARTICLE IS JUST A SNIPPET TO UPDATE - not the actual study. The Sanger sequencing, Illumina sequencing, and nanopore sequencing, are all clinically precise, controlled and executed via laboratory procedures to ensure accuracy and validity of information. "Crude" samples are not used at these points, but once again, Bailey relies on your devoted mindlessness to accept her misinformation. Well done! The only circular reasoning is Bailey's - hoping you continue your endless cycle of accepting garbage as gold. Once the sequencing was determined, other cases needed to match that sequencing in order to be considered identical cases. It is no coincidence that everyone that was similarly ill with no other identified pathogen had that sequence, nor that people identified to NOT have that sequence of a pathogen, also did not have that illness. That part is basic deductive reasoning. Perhaps you should begin there. |
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Do your own homework. You provided a side source that was claimed by your hero to be adequate (and obviously isn't, nor was it meant to be) to critique. Do you at least retract her reference as evidence of...well..no evidence?
Also, the notes of that side source DID mention that Sanger sequencing, Illumina sequencing, and nanopore sequencing were all used to sequence the genome. Do you have a problem with those methods? Additionally, remember this is merely to point out how poorly YOU have done at researching the validity of your claims. This is the testing YOU called out. If YOU think it is bad, YOU have to explain exactly why. You have been provided with other studies, well documented, that prove the existence and construct of this virus, but ignore those to rail about the study you have no material for. This backwards attempt of yours to claim something you have no evidence for is easily recognized for what it is - an ignorant wail of frustration at your own impotence. YOU claim the vurus wasn't proven to exist. YOU have been given legitimate evidence it does. YOU have provided nothing, save that red herring of Bailey's. YOU can make all the ridiculous demands you want, but the logical and intellectual burden of proof is yours. You can continue to demand all the silly sideshow theatrics you wish others to perform, but that is a fool's irrelevant obfuscation. |
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A side note. Where's the main source then? Why isn't there a link to the scientific paper?
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I think it's self-evident but OK. There is zero evidence provided for this patient suffering from the effects of a "novel" virus (STEP 1) and taking a sample of her lung fluid will not allow you to construct a genome sequence as you don't know what you've got. You've simply got a sample containing billions of particles and there is no way to determine of those particles those that belong to a "novel" virus that is infecting people and having a particular effect on them. I've provided you with fraudulent science related to the making of the alleged genome sequence of sars-cov-2. You provide with me with the kosher science ... or not as you choose ... but if you don't provide the kosher science you can hardly claim to have debunked what I say ... or you can if you choose but I certainly won't accept it. The debunking of what I say necessitates presentation of isolation of the virus and the creation of the genome sequence shown to be done in a scientific manner. |
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This comment is mind-boggling stupid. While it's possible to fabricate a fake genome sequence, it's quite another to fabricate a plausible, working genome that stands up to the scrutiny of everyone on the planet who's familiar with viruses and how RNA/DNA works. If the genome was fabricated or faked, it would become apparent very quickly as scientists working on it found things things in it that didn't add up.
And it's more than just one genome from China. The virus for which that genome applies as since been found in humans all over the world as it spread in something called a pandemic.
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What's highlighted is speculation. We can work out ourselves, Blue Mountain, that taking a sample from a single pneumonia patient who hasn't been shown to be suffering the ill effects of a "novel" virus is not the way to construct a genome sequence. And they decided on this sequence BEFORE any other samples were looked at.
It's all smoke'n'mirrors, it's all computer fabrication, based on the hypothetical not the real.
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Not my source, not my burden. It was YOUR source; therefor, your burden. Go, ahead, ask the same question again, as is your entire childish forte, it's been answered several times. Each time you do, you expose your ineptitude.
Obviously, or you wouldn't write: Your ignorance is what is self-evident. How do YOU think a virus is identified? What led you to believe that the virus wasn't already identified (just not sequenced)? These are questions YOU need to have answers for. This is YOUR source, and lacks that particular information, because it was never intended to provide it. Your whining that it should is not my fault, or that of the weekly periodical's authors, who were just providing updates. This will not change. Do your own homework. That will not change. Really? Then tell me how a novel genome IS sequenced. No, you have provided me with statement after statement of your ignorance regarding virology, and made that false claim, based on nothing but incredulity. That mental fart gas only impresses you. You have shown no ability to accept anything scientifically sound, as evidenced by your continued championing of a source you can't even recognize as irrelevant to your claim. Such pig-headed stubbornness does not impress me. And what would YOU find to be an acceptable manner? Here is the problem. You have been given several scientifically valid methods in other posts, but have shown no ability in the least to recognize them. You must answer the questions I put forth in this post to indicate you CAN understand what is required to isolate and sequence a virus' genome, or you are unquestionably so far over your head on the subject, any further discourse at this level is futile. |
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Hmmmm... Petra's latest reference is:
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Bubba, you still haven't answered my question.
Are you linking to mercola as a serious source? Come on, it's a very simple question. Yes or no, Bubba: are you saying mercola is a serious source? I didn't read your latest mercolaspam either. All of the previous recent ones have been disproven in literally seconds of searching, so I see no reason to read any more from the same source. How about you read it and say, in your own words, what you think of it? |
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I pointed this out the first time Petra started spamming Bailey's nonsense.
Petra's reaction was to double down on Bailey's nonsense, on the grounds that, if the entire New Zealand medical establishment said she was wrong, she must be right, and, if she wasn't actually a doctor, then her medical opinion must be more valid than those of actual doctors. No, I don't understand that either. One of the many reasons I'm not engaging with Petra any more. |
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It looks like problem with the source analysis, as I have just used hoaxy to search for "Ukraine" with a similar pattern
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1) Covid-19 due to infection with SARS-CoV-2 presents as a pneumonic illness that differs in clinical features from other pneumonias such that a clinical diagnosis can be made. There is sufficient difference that it would make clinicians think that this is different from other pneumonias.
2) Post mortem appearances of those that died were different from those of other pneumonias, sufficient to make the pathologists think they were dealing with a novel infection. 3) Post mortem lungs examined under electron microscopy showed the presence of coronaviruses. 4) A novel corona virus was isolated from bronchoscopy sampling of the lungs and was grown in human cell cultures. 5) Antibodies from patients with the novel coronavirus infection were specific for the novel coronavirus. 6) Sequencing of the novel coronavirus seen under the microscope and isolated in cell culture matched PCR testing from patients. Who then developed neutralising antibodies. 7) Transmission experiments have shown the virus causes pneumonia in animal models. 8) infection experiments in humans have shown that the virus replicates in humans, and neutralising antibodies subsequently develop. This is as much and probably more evidence than we have for any other infection. You might as well deny any other infection exists. Isolation and sequencing and culture of the virus has been done in many places and many countries. This reminds me of the arguments that were made by some HIV denialists who claimed that the HIV virus did not really exist. |
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I have asked you before. what is an aggressive drug trial? What is the definition of aggression for a drug trial? Given that these included control arms where patients received no treatment for the virus we would know if any of the drugs trialed significantly increased or decreased mortality.
Martin Neil is an engineer with little understanding of epidemiology or infections. One problem is that he fails to understand why non covid deaths should be lower in the vaccinated. This paper has been shown to based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the statistics. |
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