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4th March 2022, 11:26 PM | #161 |
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Bias: Hyper-Partisan Right (scores 23 on a scale of -42 to +42) Reliability: Unreliable, Problematic (Score 24 on a scale of 0 to 64) Ultra-conservative fake news right out of the starting gate |
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The Lab Leak Conspracy Theory is probably toast!
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First things first - my source NPR (national Public Radio) Bias: Middle (scores -0.22 on a scale of -42 to +42) Reliability: Reliable, Fact Reporting (scores 52 on a scale of 0-64) https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...c-origin-point "Over the weekend, an international team of scientists published two extensive papers online, offering the strongest evidence to date that the COVID-19 pandemic originated in animals at a market in Wuhan, China. Specifically, they conclude that the coronavirus most likely jumped from a caged wild animal into people at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, where a huge COVID-19 outbreak began in December 2019. The papers are preliminary. They still need to be reviewed by outside scientists. But if the analyses turn out to be accurate, the new data paints an incredibly detailed picture of the early days of the pandemic. Photographic and genetic data pinpoint a specific stall at the market where the coronavirus likely was transmitted from an animal into people. And a new genetic analysis estimates the time, within weeks, when not just one but two spillovers occurred. It predicts the coronavirus jumped into people once in late November or early December and then again few weeks later.Someone with more expertise in virology may want to correct me if I am wrong, but AIUI, viral geneticists are able to look at the a series of subsequential genome sequences and pinpoint with some accuracy the starting point of a viral outbreak, and if my understanding of what they are saying is correct, they have found the timing of the viral outbreak coincides with the dates the photos were taken in the Wuhan live animal market (as determined by EXIF date and GPS Data) which would mean the outbreak predates any possible lab leak. |
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5th March 2022, 05:09 PM | #168 |
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First of all, the second part of your post was not included in the quote, as the proposed objectives by the author are pure conjecture, thereby irrelevant. Your source makes its other claims based on FOIA releases of certain emails, and provide this truth:
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I just want the paper that shows isolation from one of the 44 patients. All we seem to have is the "Side-Notes" page on CDC China. Why would this information be in a Side Notes page in the first place but surely if it's going to be placed there there should be a link to the paper. What it says in this Side Notes page is that the genome sequence was created from bronchoalveolar lavage samples from one of the 44 patients. This is unscientific in the extreme.
I want to show in a STEP BY STEP manner that the science is wrong so we have to go from one step to the next, OK? First, I have shown clearly that the suspicion of a "novel" virus is unscientific because we have been given no evidence to speak of a "cluster" of pneumonia patients or any reason to specify "of unknown origin". The next step is isolating the virus from one of those 44 patients. Where is the process FROM ONE OF THESE PATIENTS? Why is what we're told on a Side Notes page on the China CDC website complete and utter garbage? |
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Do you have a link for this "side notes page on CDC China?" I've searched this thread and the previous one for the text "side notes" and the post I'm quoting is the very first mention of it.
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6th March 2022, 08:42 AM | #175 |
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Calling COVID-19 "imaginary" is about as ******* stupid as it gets. It's like standing on the beach and looking out on the ocean and saying, "See! Totally flat!".
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Just for clarity, to see if I quite understand: at an early stage, when it began to be noticed that there was an unusual cluster of pneumonia cases which might indicate something new was going on and this deserved investigation, the number of patients identified happened to be 44. There were of course many more soon identified and by now there have been ten million times that number of infections. So, just in case I misunderstood, is it Petra's view that the pandemic is not real unless the Covid-19 virus was isolated from one of those arbitrary 44 cases?
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Yeah, it's like saying that the Wright brothers only managed a few hundred feet, so transatlantic air travel can't possibly be real.
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Covid pandemic sparks steep rise in number of people in UK with long-term illness
As I have previously posted here, if there is no such thing as Covid-19 as Petra and Bubba claim, then why the sudden rise in the huge number of excess deaths recorded during the pandemic? It has been the fly in the ointment for conspiracy theorists - their total inability to come up with an explanation for the huge rise number of excess deaths recorded during the pandemic, the levels of which coincide with the peak levels of Covid cases and hospitalizations. If these excess deaths are not being cause by Covid-19, then what is causing them?
Their usual response has been to ignore it, or handwave it away and pretend the facts and evidence do not exist. The only response I have had is that the excess deaths evidence is somehow faked... (the standard go to for conspiracy theorists when back into a corner by evidence they cannot refute) but since these data are mirrored in the figures from hundreds of different countries all over the world, that would mean all those countries are conspiring together to fake them... even countries that are political rivals and enemies. Well now, this fly in the ointment maybe about to be joined by another fly. https://www.theguardian.com/society/...g-term-illness Covid pandemic sparks steep rise in number of people in UK with long-term illness "More than a third of working-age people in the UK now suffer from a long-term illness, with new figures showing a dramatic rise since the pandemic began. Post-Covid conditions, including long Covid, breathing difficulties and mental-health problems, are among the causes, according to disability charities and health campaigners. If there is no such thing as Covid-19, as Petra and Bubba claim, then why the sudden rise in long term illnesses? What is causing this? |
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Pandemic/vax deniers are getting weeded out of the gene pool!
COVID Infects Penis, Testicles and Prostate – Causes Pain, Erectile Dysfunction, Reduced Sperm Count |
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Originally Posted by Bubba
Only a conspiracy theorist could deny ever saying something, and then admit to saying it in the very next line - a line which also contradicts itself |
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most recent excess death totals
The Economist magazine has been tracking excess deaths since the start of the pandemic. As of March 7th, their estimate is 19.9 million worldwide. The 95% confidence limits are 14.1 and 23.6 million. It is not obvious how this number could be faked or manipulated in some way.
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The plandemic CT is only slightly less stupid than the no COVID at all CT . . . nah, it's just as stupid.
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Nah. Klaus Schwab The COVID-19 pandemic was part and parcel of that plan, as detailed in Klaus Schwab’s book, “COVID-19: The Great Reset,”1 but to really fulfill the technocrats’ ambitions, a war of some kind is likely needed. As reported by Dr. Vernon Coleman with The Exposé https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...rid=1428161691 |
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Covid vaccines not linked to deaths, major US study finds
A major study of vaccine side-effects in the US found no link between two Covid jabs and the number of deaths recorded after vaccination. The Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said 92% of reported side-effects after the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were mild. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60653946 |
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What you think of Klaus Scwab's guy Dr, Yuval Noah Harari, Transhumanist and top advisor to Klaus Schwab and World Economic Forum?
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