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To be fair, I do think there's a difference between people talking about "preserving the white race" and "preserving the Maori race".
I think in one case "preserving the race", is really about preserving a culture. There is no "white culture". There is, I would argue, a "western culture" or a "European culture", and I think it is worthy of defense, and I even think it's under attack. You can count me in if you want to preserve a reverence for the legacy of ancient Greece, or the plays of Shakespeare, or the philosophical foundation that led to both the scientific revolution and to democracy. I'm all in. Unless you start calling it "white", because that has nothing to do with it. |
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Isn't there a European culture? I've got to admit, "white culture", "whiteness" ect, are jarring terms. I impulsive assume folks that use them, are racist. But if you substituted European, it would be, less triggering.
Certainly, Americans using terms like white culture and whiteness are almost certainly just thinly veiled racists. |
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Agreed.
And I think I said that there is, indeed, a "European Culture". The only thing confusing about the term is that I think we, in America, are part of it. I think "western culture" is a slightly better descriptor. There is some difference between "old world culture" and "new world culture", but they are branches of the same tree, in my opinion. |
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And I didn't accuse you of saying it was uniquely Western (or Christian). This is like talking to someone who doesn't know how to read for comprehension.
Your whole position is an incoherent mess. You argue against moral universalism (without understanding what it is), strongly implying support for some flavor of moral relativism. You then point to racist countries as grounds for accepting racism in your own culture, without even the dimmest sense that this kind of sauce-for-the-goose argument is a universalist position. You identify anti-racism as a western value, state that you have a preference for your own culture, and fail to realize that this would imply that you, too, should reject precisely the kind of racist/"culturist" ideas that you hold, because that's what your own culture has done. Just be a ****** old racist, if that's what you want to do. It would be preferable to this kind of abuse of history, logic, and morality. |
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Warp, the problem is you haven't said did-dilly about the lives and rights of non-whites?
Your single focus on white victimhood suggests a certain bias. ---------- Dope Clock II: It's been 329 days since Bobby Menard announced plans to create "Artists Valley". So far all he has done is lie through his teeth. |
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Overlapping Venn diagrams there for sure. I'd argue and I think with evidence that the major differences between US Culture and European Culture is the influence of African Culture and to a lesser degree Asian and Native American Cultures.
Also Latin American culture but they are also mixtures of the previously mentioned cultures. |
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When the GOP still had a platform the Official position of both parties was that PR should decide there own fate be it Statehood, independence, or continueing as his, IIRC, both parties favored statehood over the alternatives though.
Personally, I favor reducing the size of the D.C. of Washington DC to the minimum required by the constitution and wrapping the rest of it back into which ever state makes the most sense. A city sized state seems a bit odd, that an issues with most of the other US territories becoming states, the are tiny for the most part. When 90% of a group votes one way, its difficult to parse racism from partisan politics. Republicans didn't become the party of racism until long after the Black Americans starting voting Dem reliably. |
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Certainly the colour of the European skin is not the reason the "Western" or "European" culture arose. (I would even advance a tentative suggestion that the geographic, geological, and climatic conditions pertaining in europe are at least partly responsible for both the culture and the lack of melatonin)
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No.
If there is an European 'culture' it's about attacking our neighbors for doing things differently. Now that we can't do that with actual weapons anymore it's down to words and football matches, but even within countries there is no real single culture. Try to cheer for the English rugby team in Glasgow, talk in dutch in the south of Belgium (or vise versa) etc etc. |
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If you know anything about Evolution, you should know that "preserving your race" is not only harmful to said race, but also impossible.
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At this point "culture" is rapidly become a meaningless concept. The world's too connected.
And in the minority in across a lot of the political spectrum that I think this is a good thing IN GENERAL. A LOT of my mentality here (making allowances for one topic being far, far, far, far, far less odious) is very similar to liberal whining about "cultural appropriation." Cultures are just collections of ideas and ideas are not sacred. They are only worth what...well they are worth. |
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That's the key difference I think. The various Native American tribes are trying to preserve their cultures. Remember, they were driven off of their own lands by foreign invaders, concentrated into small "reservations," and then marginalized. And in preserving their culture, they aren't demanding that the "White culture" goes away and assimilates into their culture. They just want recognition. So I don't think there is anything racist about that.
As you point out, there really isn't even one monolithic White culture. I would expand that though, to what you are calling Western or European culture. There is no such thing. It's not even true about Hispanic or Black Culture. Maybe, there is a "Western Value System," that we all have in common. |
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Yes, especially since some might be immigrants and or non-citizens.
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Ah, so now we get to the heart of the matter. . .provided the immigrant "follows the rules" may that right be restricted because the nation to which they are coming believes their immigration will help to make the country's culture and predominant race extinct?
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Don't try to twist things, here. They have rights, and those rights are determined and protected by law. I am just clarifying that there is a lawful process. I don't support illegals being granted the additional rights and privileges that are afforded to citizens. I don't support illegal immigration. The only way to prevent prevailing law from impacting these rights would be to have unrestricted immigration, which is not reasonable. |
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Not trying to twist anything. That's question that goes to the heart of the matter.
The replacement theory uses the specter of illegal aliens as a sort of boggie man, but the theory is really about the fear that non-white and non-Christians might wipe out the predominantly white, Christian culture of the U.S. ---------- Dope Clock II: It's been 329 days since Bobby Menard announced plans to create "Artists Valley". So far all he has done is lie through his teeth. |
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Environmental racism rings a bell?
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There was a concept that got tossed around the thinkpiece circuit a few years back; environmental colonialism.
Sure it sounds like someone trying to win a "Pair up the two most Left Wing 3rd rail buzzwords you can imagine" contest and winning but the basic idea, while I didn't quite agree with it fully, had some validity to it. Basically the big players like America, Europe, maybe others only got really into pretending like they cared about the environment when it let them tell developing countries to not develop. Like we're aware now of the damage an industrial revolution has on the environment, but also haven't really figured a replacement for it as a way to pull a society out of being stuck in the 1800s forever. So now American, Europe, arguably China, all the big boys who have already had their industrial revolutions and benefitted from are now telling the rest of the developing world "Okay but you don't get to do because we're afraid it might be bad for the planet." |
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