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13th June 2022, 03:11 PM | #1 |
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January 6 Committee ignoring evidence
Since Pelosi made sure that nobody who questions the election was included on the committee, there's no one to contradict the "Big Lie" propaganda show that the committee is putting on.
For example, the committee, predictably, is putting great stock in former AG William Barr's testimony that he found no evidence of election fraud and told Trump that claims of widespread election fraud were baseless. But Barr conducted no "investigation." He did not interview any of the hundreds of election workers and observers who reported witnessing election fraud. He did not explain the damning video evidence from the State Farm Arena in Atlanta, Georgia, in which Democratic election workers are seen pulling out crates of ballots from underneath tables late at night after the GOP observers were sent home. He did not address the devastating forensic audit of the Dominion voting system in Antrim County, MI, ordered (and then suppressed until the last minute) by the 13th Circuit Court. He offered no rational explanation for the gigantic, unprecedented disparity between Biden's alleged vote count and his number of counties won. He offered no explanation for the shockingly low mail-in ballot rejection rates, rates that were lower than any election in history even though a record number of such ballots were cast. And on and on we could go. |
13th June 2022, 03:16 PM | #2 |
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^ Doesn't this belong in conspiracy theories?
How about you bring some evidence of any of your claims. |
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13th June 2022, 03:45 PM | #3 |
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13th June 2022, 03:58 PM | #5 |
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13th June 2022, 04:29 PM | #7 |
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It amazing how somebody who once said the GOP needs to move beyond Trump is now pushing the entire line of Trumpist BS, isn't it?
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13th June 2022, 04:30 PM | #8 |
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13th June 2022, 04:32 PM | #9 |
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13th June 2022, 04:55 PM | #10 |
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Why should she... there isn't anything to question. The Big Lie is just that... a Big Fat Lie... 60+ dismissed cases in the courts, some of them under Trump appointed judges.
Evidence? The so called "damning video evidence from the State Farm Arena in Atlanta" was merely ignorant people, who didn't understand election procedures and not understanding what they were watching, showing their ignorance Stupid is as stupid does |
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13th June 2022, 06:43 PM | #11 |
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13th June 2022, 06:46 PM | #12 |
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Trump released a 12 page “rebuttal” to the commission with lots of references…..or rather one reference cited over and over….
2000 Mules is the reference. |
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13th June 2022, 06:54 PM | #13 |
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13th June 2022, 07:57 PM | #15 |
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13th June 2022, 08:43 PM | #16 |
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I'm not going to ask you to unpack ""investigation"", but Barr did testify that Justice looked into a number of the Big Lie claims, including the ones you mention.
Originally Posted by Barr
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13th June 2022, 09:25 PM | #17 |
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61 losses, 1 technical success that had nothing to do with fraud nor could have changed anything in the larger picture, at last check. Judges across the gamut.
That actually does sound like damning video evidence, though? Just not damning of the intended targets. |
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13th June 2022, 09:55 PM | #18 |
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13th June 2022, 09:56 PM | #19 |
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it would have come as a shock to me to learn that Rudi was sober.
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13th June 2022, 11:02 PM | #20 |
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Dinesh got mad at Barr for his 2000 mules comment. Dinesh tweeted:
"Bill Barr is the stereotypical small-town sheriff, overweight and largely immobile, whose rank incompetence results in the whole town being robbed from under his nose. Then, asked to explain how it happened, Fatso breaks into laughter and insists the robbery itself is “********”" Classy. |
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13th June 2022, 11:30 PM | #21 |
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14th June 2022, 03:27 AM | #22 |
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BTW, Rudi being drunk is a Red Herring: it's not like anyone who knew him didn't know that he was a drunkard and discounted his rantings, and neither did he reconsider in the brief moments of sobriety.
Guiliani, a close confidant of Trump, convinced Trump to do something he clearly wanted to do anyway, and all the White House Horses and White House Men couldn't stop him. This is all on Trump. |
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14th June 2022, 05:04 AM | #23 |
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14th June 2022, 06:24 AM | #24 |
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Well, Mike, I think it would be wonderful if we, here, could do what we can to conduct this sort of oversight, to the extent that we can. So, let us begin with what you have posted so far.
Starting with the above, of course Bill Barr did not, personally, interview those people. He has people for that. However, lots and lots of interviews were conducted by a variety of law enforcement and other agencies.
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Regardless, that's a bit of an aside. Should you choose to follow up on this issue, we can discuss it in light of evidence.
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Well that one is quite simple. I doubt he saw any need to do so, because the explanation is so widely known. Democrats do extremely well in urban areas, and in some suburbs. This year the suburban vote was more for Biden than it had been in 2016. Republicans, including Trump, do better in rural areas. Basically, densely populated areas tend to vote Democratic. Sparsely populated areas vote Republican. The result is that Republicans win a lot more counties than Democrats, but the total number of votes is usually higher for Democrats. In closer elections, like in 2016, this even swings whole states, which is why Trump could win the presidency despite getting fewer votes than Hillary Clinton.
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The answer here is hinted at within your statement itself. You are talking about a low rate, but a high number. You are kind of mixing up things. A larger number shouldn't produce a larger rate. At first glance, though, one might expect the rate to remain the same, but you are alleging that the rate of rejection dropped. I can't say I'm familiar with the numbers, so if you are interested, we can pursue this further. However, the procedures used for this election and mail in ballots were far different than any previous election. It seems logical that different procedures would produce different results, so the fact that there is a lower rejection rate does not, by itself suggest anything other than a point of interest worth examining. And....an awful lot of people have examined it. However, if you pursue it, we can do our own investigation. Please, elaborate a little bit, and we can pursue it.
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I'll say in advance that if you do, you're going to face a lot of hostility. Such is life. It goes with the territory. I, for one, will try to avoid too much of that. I don't like to blame victims, and I see you, and a disturbingly large number of Americans, as victims. There is an industry, and I mean that exact term, devoted to misinformation. A lot of people are getting quite rich spreading lies to a public all too willing to soak them up. However, be that as it may, let's stay focused on the truth, and exposing that truth. Maybe, as we investigate, it will turn out that I, and others like me, are the actual victims of misinformation. Let's root out that misinformation and find the truth, wherever it leads us. Shall we? |
14th June 2022, 06:54 AM | #25 |
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14th June 2022, 07:18 AM | #26 |
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Oh...
Well that's fairly typical. So, there is an explanation, and he gave it. I haven't been following the hearings beyond glances at some headlines. The Antrim County story is more interesting than I thought. I had heard some vague elements, and knew it was all pretty easy to take care of, but I didn't know exactly how it had unfolded. Here's an article that is rather personalized, focusing on the County Clerk, how the error happened in the first place, and the effect it had on her. https://time.com/6128812/the-steal-a...unty-michigan/ I hadn't heard before that the litigation that happened was all about a tie vote for a marijuana shop. Oh....spoiler alert.....no fraud. |
14th June 2022, 08:28 AM | #27 |
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Yeah, but. . . .
Conspiracy theories are often thought by their proponents to be valid as long as they can ask "yeah, but" questions about the theory.
The unanswered question is seen as a window into a detail, a fact, which the powers that be have buried in an attempt to hide wrong doing and continue their nefarious plans. And if the CTer doesn't stop asking "yeah, but" there is always a question on the table. Furthermore the fact that this "yeah, but" detail has been discovered is seen by the CTer as evidence that he/she is thoroughly capable of "doing their research". In this way just asking questions is seen as brilliance. But sometimes the CTer takes the "yeah, but" ploy to extreme by asking questions that have already been answered. -------------- Dope Clock II: It's been 365 days since Bobby Menard announced plans to create "Artists Valley". So far all he has done is lie through his teeth. |
14th June 2022, 12:17 PM | #28 |
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I still fin it amusing that someone who claimed to be a GOP critic of Trump is now pushing The Big Lie.
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14th June 2022, 12:52 PM | #29 |
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One if the claims I found amusing was Trump's "Detroit Big Vote Dump" claim, where he claimed that witnesses reported seeing "truck loads and van loads of ballots delivered to the counting station at all hours of the night".
Barr put that to bed by pointing out that Detroit has 635 precincts, but all the votes were counted at ONE counting station. This would necessitate physically transporting the ballots to the counting station... so what you would expect to see? Well, "truck loads and van loads of ballots delivered to the counting station at all hours of the night", of course |
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14th June 2022, 12:53 PM | #30 |
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Yes, it's amazing,.but
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14th June 2022, 01:46 PM | #31 |
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Miami Herald Op Ed: C’mon, Trumpers, how much longer will you fall for the con? Oh ... that long, huh? | Opinion
I imaging some believers are trickling away from the cult. Just like some Fox viewers saw the light when paid to watch other news channels and some of the Jan 6 rioters lost faith in Drumpf when he didn't pardon them, it's drip drip drip. |
15th June 2022, 02:37 AM | #32 |
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Wait until they find out Antifa and BLM were warned in advance of the Insurrection that their was going to be an insurection, I look for Tucker Carlson, and Sean Hannity's head to explode live on air, when they find out BLM was handed Trump's playbook on the 19th December 2020 just seconds after Trump's Tweet.
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15th June 2022, 04:28 PM | #39 |
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What, there were boxes of ballots, and tables!!!????? And they were in a place where ballots were being COUNTED!!!!!?????? Oh no. That either means there was massive fraud or this is the dumbest ******* argument in the history of American politics.
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15th June 2022, 04:45 PM | #40 |
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10 anyway
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