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25th November 2022, 05:14 AM | #1 |
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Died Suddenly - The Loose Change of Covid-19?
Recently, a Facebook acquaintance posted (or tried to post) a link to the documentary released on Rumble called Died Suddenly.
Of course he announced it as "WhaT ThE maINsTREAM MeDIa WON't Let YoU SeE!" and then when I gave some pushback he resorted to "OKaY THEN Go LinE up AND GET yoUr bOosTER!!" I'm not going to bother linking to it myself, but it is probably pretty easy to find. Link to a Twitter account that gives a very brief run-down mocking its silliness. I only watched about 10 minutes or so and thought it was dumb... A montage of crap about JFK, Bigfoot (no, really!), Building 7, UFOs, Bill Gates, Thomas Malthus. Apparently the idea is that the Covid vaccines are there to depopulate the world, very slowly, by putting clots that have never been seen before, in humans, by a funeral director called John O'Looney. No one really knows why John O'Looney, funeral director, is telling people not to get vaccinated, but a cynic might think he has a conflict of interest. |
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25th November 2022, 05:33 AM | #2 |
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It was mentioned in this recent BBC news piece about antivaxxers trolling bereaved people saying their relative died from vaccination. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63719246
It has the bogus claim that young healthy athletes are dropping dead at unprecedented rates after Covid vaccination (they aren't) and illustrates it with the case of one who collapsed (but thankfully didn't actually die) before Covid vaccination even began. |
25th November 2022, 06:27 AM | #3 |
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O'Looney? Really? This isn't The Onion?
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25th November 2022, 09:54 AM | #4 |
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This Twitter thread shows how most of their examples of sudden death mostly didn’t die, or were grossly misrepresented.
https://twitter.com/thereal_truther/...PurqJ-bkVUnYCQ It should be noted that a number of NBA players have died or collapsed on court (and even died) long before COVID showed up. |
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25th November 2022, 10:06 AM | #5 |
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25th November 2022, 01:21 PM | #6 |
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Watched about three minutes of it; strikes me more like Zeitgeist in terms of being all over the CT map; at one point they appear to imply that Zelensky is a holographic image. And I do love seeing Malthus get praise from Tom Hanks; he won't get much from modern-day economists.
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25th November 2022, 03:51 PM | #7 |
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This has been happening forever. There have been soccer players, rugby players, hockey players etc who have dropped dead in the field since the early days of the sport Here is a list of just soccer players, almost 250, and the list is by no means exhaustive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._while_playing And there's this... FIFA Sudden Death Report |
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25th November 2022, 05:27 PM | #8 |
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25th November 2022, 06:38 PM | #9 |
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Nobody really thought these fools were done trying to..... do something obtuse and futile.... about CV and vaccines?
Restrictions are all but lifted in most places already, stores around me only really care you bother with a mask. Gel dispensers are empty, no staff or ropes anywhere. The lazy won. But for whatever reason they need to fight on. |
26th November 2022, 03:44 PM | #10 |
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When a person's life is completely empty, when they are so insignificant that they cannot make any meaningful contribution to society in any way, they become an anti-vaxer.
It's a futile attempt to overcome a lifetime of bad decisions. |
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26th November 2022, 07:27 PM | #11 |
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I live in a small Deep South city where the "lockdowns" - such as they were - never lasted for longer than perhaps a month, and over a year later people were still shouting about ending them as if they were ongoing.
Now, over two years later, they seem to have shifted to an unspoken consensus that the lockdowns are "over" but still invoke them rhetorically as if they had lasted years. |
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26th November 2022, 08:02 PM | #12 |
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Oh dear, a conspiracy theorist has just enough of their **** together to make a movie. I strongly doubt they'll handle the notoriety well.
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26th November 2022, 08:03 PM | #13 |
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The talk of requiring a vaccine card to do stuff scared a lot of those that resisted any vaccine.
A lot of talk on that but in long term results it didn't happen. To be a big, tough well armed sovcit and be denied entry or services for no vaccination meant a booming black market in fake cards. Such shame to even have to fake compliance! Yeah, I exaggerated a bit but many felt that way. In the end compliance faltered with most people, even if they wanted mask laws it wasn't to be and it became an individual effort. Home Depot in town was the biggest example of total compliance. They just recently dropped cleaning trolly/cart handles and only require masks, even if not used properly. A few other international chains suggest use but don't challenge anyone not using one. Local stores stopped caring. |
27th November 2022, 02:05 AM | #14 |
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So far about 20% of the populace around here are continuing to practice safe distancing while wearing masks. And from what I've gathered, most are of the realization that yeah, we all just experienced an actual pandemic, unlike those who continue to downplay it all as if over a million deaths in the US alone wasn't telling enough. ETA. As of current, I've experienced only one head cold since the pandemic began. Which was brought to me by an anti-vax friend who couldn't help but pay visit for a pre-Thanksgiving toast. Needless to say, it's been a pretty standard practice to just stay home if your sick, and not be an idiot who passes on anything but good cheer.
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27th November 2022, 05:29 AM | #16 |
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Yeah, in my Facebook responses, I did compare it to both Loose Change and Zeitgeist.
Then I saw the same acquaintance (we work together) and told him I watched about ten or fifteen minutes of the film he was promoting and it was even worse than I expected. He looked at me wide-eyed and muttered something like, "How could you think that...?" Boring account of my argument with an all-purpose conspiracy theorist here... [ I do remember watching Zeitgeist and while a lot of it was about 9/11 there was also a lot that seemed to have been bolted on about debt. I just looked up who made Zeitgeist and discovered that the director was also very much into the Occupy movement. I have to wonder if his stuff about debt was inspired by another of Occupy's founders, David Graeber. Graeber was pretty far-left, but also pretty interesting. I have never heard of him being a 9/11 Truther though. Honestly, I don't know how seriously to take any of that. This was a series of soundbites where they seemed to be talking in asides or as a precursor to saying something like, "However, that is not my point" etc... Just like 9/11 Truthers they often take people out of context who say things like, "It looked like a controlled demolition to my eyes, but when I asked experts about it they explained how different it was and I later found out that the fire department had warned it was about to collapse" and then only quote the highlighted bit. |
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Susan Oliver has a pretty good video here. She points out some of the lies of the documentary...
One guy makes a really stupid misunderstanding of a Bill Gates talk about how medical care, reproductive rights and vaccines will lead to a lower world's population. It cuts to a funeral director saying that obviously means that vaccines are designed to kill. Ummmm no... There is also footage taken from before the pandemic used as evidence of bad vaccines, etc...
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28th November 2022, 11:15 PM | #18 |
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That was the last third of the movie. As I described it, about how the banksters suck the lifeblood of the masses. The first third was a wildly entertaining claim about how Jesus was actually the sun god, Horus of Egypt; only the second part was 9-11 Troof.
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ETA: Meant to add in my discussion of Zeitgeist my favorite bit. Joseph (who also narrated) had a pretty decent speaking voice but at times did not know how to pronounce some words (actually common with voice acting, which is why scripts usually have a phonetic spelling of any oddball words that might trip the actors up). Hilariously, at one point he refers to a Colonel soandso as "Colone-El". Corrected fairly quickly after I pointed it out at SLC. |
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24th December 2022, 07:15 PM | #19 |
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"John O'Looney" sounds too on the nose to be real!
As for blood clots being a side effect of the vaccine, most of the 'side effects' are also effects of Covid 19 the disease, only much more mild. If you get these side effects, that is a little birdie telling you that you'd not fare well with the Covid 19 disease. |
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26th December 2022, 01:32 PM | #20 |
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My son is an antivaxxer CT he informaed my wife and myself that he was glad nothing happened to us after taking the covid injections.
He implied we were lucky to be alive since we took vaccinations that changed our DNA (it doesn't) that this was an untested method of disease control (mRNA has been in development since the early 2000's albeit this was the first commercial application to my knowledge). He informed us the Fauci lied to all of us indicating you wouldn't get covid if you have the injections (I could never find any statements, but I did find one of Bidens to such stupidity (the injections just like the flu vaccinations don't prevent flu just mitigate its severity, just like covid). He must have watched some of the BS videos all oof you have mentioned. Where did I go wrong in his development? |
26th December 2022, 03:13 PM | #21 |
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The proclivity of people w/o subject knowledge to firmly believe stuff like this and other unrelated nonsense makes me wonder why.
But then I'm reminded of how pervasive religion is. I still don't understand it. |
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26th December 2022, 03:24 PM | #22 |
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People aren't smart enough to use social media. Let's go back.
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27th December 2022, 10:46 AM | #23 |
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I don't know what the situation was like in other countries (I'm in Ireland) but I was required to show my vaccine passport on my phone exactly once (when I went to the cinema).
Apart from that, I've never been required to use it for anything. Of course, I'm sure that file on my phone is doing something terrible to me in some way. edit: I was given a vaccine card after my original shots and after my booster, but the idiots who designed it didn't make it a standard credit card sized thing that would fit in my wallet, so it just sat on a shelf in my house until I lost it. No doubt the vaccinations are starting to kill off my brain cells and give me memory problems. |
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27th December 2022, 07:03 PM | #26 |
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The only time I've had to show my vaccination card was when I visited my friend in the hospital in April 2021.
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27th December 2022, 08:14 PM | #27 |
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ThE GlobaLIsts are TRaCkiNG uS with TheiR 5g cHIps in tHe VacCInes
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27th December 2022, 08:16 PM | #28 |
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By the way, one of the featured conspiracy theorists on Died Suddenly is the despicable, Steve Kirsch.
Look at what the idiot is posting on Twitter. A compilation of people fainting after doing/attempting deadlifts. I am pretty sure I have seen all these clips long before Covid.
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2nd January 2023, 07:42 AM | #30 |
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Essay on mRNA vaccines
This link is a 2015 discussion of the advantages of mRNA vaccines. It is not overly technical, although some familiarity with basic molecular biology is helpful.
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3rd January 2023, 03:54 PM | #31 |
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6th January 2023, 12:33 PM | #32 |
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There's a guy over in Britain with a YouTube channel who is really getting off on the anti-vac stuff: https://www.youtube.com/@RichardVobes/videos
Vobes's channel used to be about tours of the English country side and I really enjoyed it. But he's gone all conspiracy theory. A few of his followers are really out there. A couple of days ago a couple of them posted chatter in the comments section about hanging the British Prime Minister. Vobes must be mindful of YouTube "strikes" because he is carful to add "some people say" and "is it possible that" qualifiers to his comments. |
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