[Merged] The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah - Page 69

Georg · 13th March 2023, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

How do you know there are ANY viewers if they are silent?

You go to the Religion and Philosophy subforum where that thread is listed.
On the right side you can see the number of posts and the number of views.

Steve · 13th March 2023, 06:48 AM

OK. Emre_1974tr has totally convinced me with his posts here. I have now converted to Islam (just as Allah knew I would).

What happens next?

Georg · 13th March 2023, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by Steve

OK. Emre_1974tr has totally convinced me with his posts here. I have now converted to Islam (just as Allah knew I would).

What happens next?

You kill some infidels by blowing yourself up in their midst and get to hump 72 virgins in paradise?

JayUtah · 13th March 2023, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The reactions I have received are quite the opposite. By the way, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the silent viewers who have shown great interest in this issue.

I'm sure your mom thinks you're the coolest guy in the class.

JoeMorgue · 13th March 2023, 07:54 AM

It's good to know that Jabba's Neutral Jury got work after he went away.

Mojo · 13th March 2023, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The reactions I have received are quite the opposite. By the way, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the silent viewers who have shown great interest in this issue.

Ah yes, the mythical "silent viewers", who always agree with the one person who everyone actually posting disagrees with.

Gord_in_Toronto · 13th March 2023, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The reactions I have received are quite the opposite. By the way, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the silent viewers who have shown great interest in this issue.

(More of palace holder to show I am still reading this thread . . . .and that I am still unconvinced.)

Joe Random · 13th March 2023, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The reactions I have received are quite the opposite. By the way, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the silent viewers who have shown great interest in this issue.

For the record : I read this thread regularly. De-lurking now to let you know I find your ideas and theology worthy of ridicule, and in no way support them.

<re-lurk>

Gulliver Foyle · 13th March 2023, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Georg

You kill some infidels by blowing yourself up in their midst and get to hump 72 virgins in paradise?

Raisins surely?

Mojo · 13th March 2023, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Raisins surely?

But very good quality raisins.

Gord_in_Toronto · 13th March 2023, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mojo

But very good quality raisins.

Very good quality white raisins.

jsfisher · 13th March 2023, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

Very good quality white raisins.

Ah! You are keeping up with your currant events.

Norman Alexander · 13th March 2023, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Georg

You go to the Religion and Philosophy subforum where that thread is listed.
On the right side you can see the number of posts and the number of views.

Many of those views could be me, checking in on other posters but not having a comment to make. I admit I visit here a lot.

arthwollipot · 13th March 2023, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The reactions I have received are quite the opposite. By the way, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the silent viewers who have shown great interest in this issue.

Speaking as one of those silent viewers, I deny the authority of your book.

Gord_in_Toronto · 13th March 2023, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by jsfisher

Ah! You are keeping up with your currant events.

And I have my very own personal supply of vowels as well!

Gord_in_Toronto · 13th March 2023, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Speaking as one of those silent viewers, I deny the authority of your book.

After I go for walk and get my shoes all muddy, I wipe them off. It does not mean I like walking in mud.

Georg · 14th March 2023, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by Georg

You kill some infidels by blowing yourself up in their midst and get to hump 72 virgins in paradise?

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Raisins surely?

Hm.
Humping raisins?
How does that work?
Is there a manual somewhere?
Is that akin to dicksing potatoes?

Gord_in_Toronto · 14th March 2023, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Georg

Hm.
Humping raisins?
How does that work?
Is there a manual somewhere?
Is that akin to dicksing potatoes?

See ‘Raisins,’ not ‘Virgins,’ Quran scholars say

Translation error.

Emre_1974tr · 14th March 2023, 03:24 PM

All polytheistic religions, from Hinduism to New Age religion, worship many gods as a reflection or manifestation of the one God. Christianity has the same pagan doctrine. In fact, it is in itself a pantheistic philosophy.

As it is stated in the Holy Qur'an, the elite hid the Torah and the Gospel, they only shared some of its pages with humanity. So we don't have the Injeel or the Torah now.

And unfortunately, the people had to adopt the hadith books like Barnabas, Enoch, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, which were written by human beings, that is to say fake books, as Gospels. There are many more fake Gospels. But the pagan religious leaders adopted four of them and deceived people with these books. Whatever Bukhari or Tırmizi books are, these are the same. They are hadith books. Bible is not Torah or Injeel.

But some Christians, in spite of these pagan false books, realized that the belief in the trinity was a heresy and fought against this heresy. Because with the revelation inherent in their genes, man is inclined towards the truth. As long as he keeps his heart pure.(unitarians)

****

Almost all polytheistic religions have the same trap, that the demons are making them adopt the lie that there are multiple reflections of one God.

Hindus also think that they believe in one God, pantheists also, Christians also. They have been made to believe that the one God is manifested in different ways. From Indian religions to Far Eastern religions, they all have the same fallacy. People who worship idols actually believe in one God. All idols are manifestations or parts of the original God in paganism. Hindus or other idol worshippers say the same thing. So they have exactly the same belief as the lie they are being fed.

Satan cannot make people polytheists directly, for the most part. Because there is true knowledge/revelation in the genes of human beings and people innately know that there is only one God. That's why Satan insidiously makes people polytheistic. He says that the one God manifests in different ways. And he deceives the pagans mostly in this way. Hindus, Native Americans, Asian pagans, new age believers, Christians think they believe in one God, but in reality they are polytheists. They have associated partners with Allah, so you are in shirk.

Hindus "333 in 1"

Christians "3 in 1".

Pantheists "everything in 1"

New Agers "we are in 1"

This is paganism.

JayUtah · 14th March 2023, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Christianity has the same pagan doctrine. In fact, it is in itself a pantheistic philosophy.

Yes, everyone is well aware of Islam's accusations against Christianity on the subject of monotheism. We're mostly atheists here. We don't care.

Norman Alexander · 14th March 2023, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

All polytheistic religions, from Hinduism to New Age religion, worship many gods as a reflection or manifestation of the one God. Christianity has the same pagan doctrine. In fact, it is in itself a pantheistic philosophy.

As it is stated in the Holy Qur'an, the elite hid the Torah and the Gospel, they only shared some of its pages with humanity. So we don't have the Injeel or the Torah now.

And unfortunately, the people had to adopt the hadith books like Barnabas, Enoch, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, which were written by human beings, that is to say fake books, as Gospels. There are many more fake Gospels. But the pagan religious leaders adopted four of them and deceived people with these books. Whatever Bukhari or Tırmizi books are, these are the same. They are hadith books. Bible is not Torah or Injeel.

But some Christians, in spite of these pagan false books, realized that the belief in the trinity was a heresy and fought against this heresy. Because with the revelation inherent in their genes, man is inclined towards the truth. As long as he keeps his heart pure.(unitarians)

****

Almost all polytheistic religions have the same trap, that the demons are making them adopt the lie that there are multiple reflections of one God.

Hindus also think that they believe in one God, pantheists also, Christians also. They have been made to believe that the one God is manifested in different ways. From Indian religions to Far Eastern religions, they all have the same fallacy. People who worship idols actually believe in one God. All idols are manifestations or parts of the original God in paganism. Hindus or other idol worshippers say the same thing. So they have exactly the same belief as the lie they are being fed.

Satan cannot make people polytheists directly, for the most part. Because there is true knowledge/revelation in the genes of human beings and people innately know that there is only one God. That's why Satan insidiously makes people polytheistic. He says that the one God manifests in different ways. And he deceives the pagans mostly in this way. Hindus, Native Americans, Asian pagans, new age believers, Christians think they believe in one God, but in reality they are polytheists. They have associated partners with Allah, so you are in shirk.

Hindus "333 in 1"

Christians "3 in 1".

Pantheists "everything in 1"

New Agers "we are in 1"

This is paganism.

You just made that up. None of it is even remotely correct. It's just nonsense.

Thor 2 · 14th March 2023, 04:03 PM

Emre,

I have never seen an explanation demonstrating why one god is better than multiple gods.

Strictly speaking you believe in two gods also because you believe in Satan.

JayUtah · 14th March 2023, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Thor 2

I have never seen an explanation demonstrating why one god is better than multiple gods.

Personally I think one is too many.

Thor 2 · 14th March 2023, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by JayUtah

Personally I think one is too many.

Me too, but I can't see why it is considered a given, that a single god is better than multiple ones.

arthwollipot · 14th March 2023, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Hindus "333 in 1"

Christians "3 in 1".

Pantheists "everything in 1"

New Agers "we are in 1"

This is paganism.

Atheism "there is no such thing as 1"

Norman Alexander · 14th March 2023, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Thor 2

Me too, but I can't see why it is considered a given, that a single god is better than multiple ones.

A unicycle is considered a means of transport. A two-wheel bicycle is a little easier to ride. A four-wheel car is better still. But a 34-wheel B-double truck rides over everything in its path!

arthwollipot · 14th March 2023, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

A unicycle is considered a means of transport. A two-wheel bicycle is a little easier to ride. A four-wheel car is better still. But a 34-wheel B-double truck rides over everything in its path!

So, Hinduism then.

Norman Alexander · 14th March 2023, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

So, Hinduism then.

If you want to argue that more is better.

Om mani padme hum.

Also...

Quote:

In Japan there is a way to call all the god is 八百萬命神 which means 8 million gods.

https://www.quora.com/What-religion-...s-and-folklore

JayUtah · 15th March 2023, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

A unicycle is considered a means of transport. A two-wheel bicycle is a little easier to ride. A four-wheel car is better still. But a 34-wheel B-double truck rides over everything in its path!

Aerospace engineer: Wheels are irrelevant.

sackett · 15th March 2023, 08:40 AM

Raisins and virgins again? Kinda think those solemn British Arabists failed us here, and did the Qran a small injustice. Confusing "grape" and "raisin" is old stuff in 19th century English.

But calling virgins grapes is just a bit of leering Arab poetry; the gynecological reasons are obvious. So everybody knew what the hadith was saying, and you can see why a horny Muslim fundy might be motivated by the idea.

"Hamid my brother, I shall devour the [smirk] grapes of paradise!"

"But Jaffar, my dear, why should you martyr and leave me behind?"

"Well, actually, it's your behind that's the problem. I grow weary of creeping into the same tent each night."

"By Allah, it is not well! Go with a thousand and one kisses, and may the Prophet bless your detonator!"

Am I in the picture, Emre? I didn't want to be silent too often.

Emre_1974tr · 21st March 2023, 04:40 PM

Answer to Iznik(Bursa) Council?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrsWclNX...g&name=900x900

JoeMorgue · 21st March 2023, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Answer to Iznik(Bursa) Council?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrsWclNX...g&name=900x900

This isn't your blog.

Norman Alexander · 21st March 2023, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Answer to Iznik(Bursa) Council?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrsWclNX...g&name=900x900

Complete nonsense. Why did you even bother posting it here??

catsmate · 22nd March 2023, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by JayUtah

Aerospace engineer: Wheels are irrelevant.

They often help at the beginning and end........

JayUtah · 22nd March 2023, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

They often help at the beginning and end........

In my mind I was going straight to rockets, but yeah.

Emre_1974tr · 25th April 2023, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Answer to Iznik(Bursa) Council?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrsWclNX...g&name=900x900

I feel responsible to all Christians, because your priests have made you adopt the pagan trinity in my hometown of Bursa(Iznik council). Unfortunately, they instilled this nonsense / polytheism in you.

I will do everything in my power to help you in this dark journey you have fallen into and to guide you towards the light. Insha'Allah, I will save you from the swamp of Christianity and continue to guide you to Islam, the true and only religion of God.

arthwollipot · 25th April 2023, 07:29 PM

How many people here do you think are Christians, Emre?

acbytesla · 25th April 2023, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

I feel responsible to all Christians, because your priests have made you adopt the pagan trinity in my hometown of Bursa(Iznik council). Unfortunately, they instilled this nonsense / polytheism in you.

I will do everything in my power to help you in this dark journey you have fallen into and to guide you towards the light. Insha'Allah, I will save you from the swamp of Christianity and continue to guide you to Islam, the true and only religion of God.

It is so strange reading your posts Emre. The beliefs you profess are not unlike the ideas that different sects of Christianity have about the other Christian sects. You, like them want to teach them the errors of their beliefs.

Out of curiosity, do you feel the same way about other Muslim sects? Do you also try and correct Sunni or Shia or Sufi or other sects?

Norman Alexander · 25th April 2023, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

I feel responsible to all Christians, because your priests have made you adopt the pagan trinity in my hometown of Bursa (Iznik council). Unfortunately, they instilled this nonsense / polytheism in you.

I will do everything in my power to help you in this dark journey you have fallen into and to guide you towards the light. Insha'Allah, I will save you from the swamp of Christianity and continue to guide you to Islam, the true and only religion of God.

Do you live in Bursa? Last I heard, you lived in Zeytinli, near Akcay. Have you moved house?

As to preaching Allah to us, even though most of us on this forum are not Christians, please go ahead.

Emre_1974tr · 26th April 2023, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

It is so strange reading your posts Emre. The beliefs you profess are not unlike the ideas that different sects of Christianity have about the other Christian sects. You, like them want to teach them the errors of their beliefs.

Out of curiosity, do you feel the same way about other Muslim sects? Do you also try and correct Sunni or Shia or Sufi or other sects?

Of course, most of my articles, videos and tweets in Turkish criticise Islamic sects and tell them about the true Islam in the Quran. Sufism, on the other hand, is the Trojan horse of spiritualism, and I specifically deal with them as well.

13th March 2023, 06:07 AM	#2721
Georg Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bavaria, Germany Posts: 1,475	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander How do you know there are ANY viewers if they are silent? You go to the Religion and Philosophy subforum where that thread is listed. On the right side you can see the number of posts and the number of views.
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13th March 2023, 06:48 AM	#2722
Steve Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Nova Scotia Posts: 12,635	OK. Emre_1974tr has totally convinced me with his posts here. I have now converted to Islam (just as Allah knew I would). What happens next?
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13th March 2023, 06:56 AM	#2723
Georg Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bavaria, Germany Posts: 1,475	Originally Posted by Steve OK. Emre_1974tr has totally convinced me with his posts here. I have now converted to Islam (just as Allah knew I would). What happens next? You kill some infidels by blowing yourself up in their midst and get to hump 72 virgins in paradise?
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13th March 2023, 07:54 AM	#2725
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 44,184	It's good to know that Jabba's Neutral Jury got work after he went away.
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13th March 2023, 08:44 AM	#2726
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 37,090	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The reactions I have received are quite the opposite. By the way, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the silent viewers who have shown great interest in this issue. Ah yes, the mythical "silent viewers", who always agree with the one person who everyone actually posting disagrees with.
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13th March 2023, 07:39 AM	#2724
JayUtah Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The great American West Posts: 22,563	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The reactions I have received are quite the opposite. By the way, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the silent viewers who have shown great interest in this issue. I'm sure your mom thinks you're the coolest guy in the class.

13th March 2023, 09:36 AM	#2727
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23,704	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The reactions I have received are quite the opposite. By the way, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the silent viewers who have shown great interest in this issue. (More of palace holder to show I am still reading this thread . . . .and that I am still unconvinced.)
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13th March 2023, 10:49 AM	#2728
Joe Random Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,025	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The reactions I have received are quite the opposite. By the way, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the silent viewers who have shown great interest in this issue. For the record : I read this thread regularly. De-lurking now to let you know I find your ideas and theology worthy of ridicule, and in no way support them. <re-lurk>
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13th March 2023, 12:01 PM	#2729
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,718	Originally Posted by Georg You kill some infidels by blowing yourself up in their midst and get to hump 72 virgins in paradise? Raisins surely?

13th March 2023, 12:07 PM	#2730
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 37,090	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle Raisins surely? But very good quality raisins.
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13th March 2023, 02:48 PM	#2731
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23,704	Originally Posted by Mojo But very good quality raisins. Very good quality white raisins.
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13th March 2023, 04:15 PM	#2732
jsfisher ETcorngods survivor Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 24,105	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto Very good quality white raisins. Ah! You are keeping up with your currant events.
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13th March 2023, 04:25 PM	#2733
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,015	Originally Posted by Georg You go to the Religion and Philosophy subforum where that thread is listed. On the right side you can see the number of posts and the number of views. Many of those views could be me, checking in on other posters but not having a comment to make. I admit I visit here a lot.
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13th March 2023, 05:55 PM	#2734
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,214	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The reactions I have received are quite the opposite. By the way, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the silent viewers who have shown great interest in this issue. Speaking as one of those silent viewers, I deny the authority of your book.
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13th March 2023, 06:46 PM	#2735
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23,704	Originally Posted by jsfisher Ah! You are keeping up with your currant events. And I have my very own personal supply of vowels as well!
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13th March 2023, 06:52 PM	#2736
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23,704	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Speaking as one of those silent viewers, I deny the authority of your book. After I go for walk and get my shoes all muddy, I wipe them off. It does not mean I like walking in mud.
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14th March 2023, 02:27 AM	#2737
Georg Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bavaria, Germany Posts: 1,475	Originally Posted by Georg You kill some infidels by blowing yourself up in their midst and get to hump 72 virgins in paradise? Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle Raisins surely? Hm. Humping raisins? How does that work? Is there a manual somewhere? Is that akin to dicksing potatoes?
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14th March 2023, 10:30 AM	#2738
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23,704	Originally Posted by Georg Hm. Humping raisins? How does that work? Is there a manual somewhere? Is that akin to dicksing potatoes? See ‘Raisins,’ not ‘Virgins,’ Quran scholars say Translation error.
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14th March 2023, 03:24 PM	#2739
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,198	All polytheistic religions, from Hinduism to New Age religion, worship many gods as a reflection or manifestation of the one God. Christianity has the same pagan doctrine. In fact, it is in itself a pantheistic philosophy. As it is stated in the Holy Qur'an, the elite hid the Torah and the Gospel, they only shared some of its pages with humanity. So we don't have the Injeel or the Torah now. And unfortunately, the people had to adopt the hadith books like Barnabas, Enoch, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, which were written by human beings, that is to say fake books, as Gospels. There are many more fake Gospels. But the pagan religious leaders adopted four of them and deceived people with these books. Whatever Bukhari or Tırmizi books are, these are the same. They are hadith books. Bible is not Torah or Injeel. But some Christians, in spite of these pagan false books, realized that the belief in the trinity was a heresy and fought against this heresy. Because with the revelation inherent in their genes, man is inclined towards the truth. As long as he keeps his heart pure.(unitarians) **** Almost all polytheistic religions have the same trap, that the demons are making them adopt the lie that there are multiple reflections of one God. Hindus also think that they believe in one God, pantheists also, Christians also. They have been made to believe that the one God is manifested in different ways. From Indian religions to Far Eastern religions, they all have the same fallacy. People who worship idols actually believe in one God. All idols are manifestations or parts of the original God in paganism. Hindus or other idol worshippers say the same thing. So they have exactly the same belief as the lie they are being fed. Satan cannot make people polytheists directly, for the most part. Because there is true knowledge/revelation in the genes of human beings and people innately know that there is only one God. That's why Satan insidiously makes people polytheistic. He says that the one God manifests in different ways. And he deceives the pagans mostly in this way. Hindus, Native Americans, Asian pagans, new age believers, Christians think they believe in one God, but in reality they are polytheists. They have associated partners with Allah, so you are in shirk. Hindus "333 in 1" Christians "3 in 1". Pantheists "everything in 1" New Agers "we are in 1" This is paganism.

14th March 2023, 03:57 PM	#2740
JayUtah Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The great American West Posts: 22,563	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Christianity has the same pagan doctrine. In fact, it is in itself a pantheistic philosophy. Yes, everyone is well aware of Islam's accusations against Christianity on the subject of monotheism. We're mostly atheists here. We don't care.

14th March 2023, 04:01 PM	#2741
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,015	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr All polytheistic religions, from Hinduism to New Age religion, worship many gods as a reflection or manifestation of the one God. Christianity has the same pagan doctrine. In fact, it is in itself a pantheistic philosophy. As it is stated in the Holy Qur'an, the elite hid the Torah and the Gospel, they only shared some of its pages with humanity. So we don't have the Injeel or the Torah now. And unfortunately, the people had to adopt the hadith books like Barnabas, Enoch, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, which were written by human beings, that is to say fake books, as Gospels. There are many more fake Gospels. But the pagan religious leaders adopted four of them and deceived people with these books. Whatever Bukhari or Tırmizi books are, these are the same. They are hadith books. Bible is not Torah or Injeel. But some Christians, in spite of these pagan false books, realized that the belief in the trinity was a heresy and fought against this heresy. Because with the revelation inherent in their genes, man is inclined towards the truth. As long as he keeps his heart pure.(unitarians) **** Almost all polytheistic religions have the same trap, that the demons are making them adopt the lie that there are multiple reflections of one God. Hindus also think that they believe in one God, pantheists also, Christians also. They have been made to believe that the one God is manifested in different ways. From Indian religions to Far Eastern religions, they all have the same fallacy. People who worship idols actually believe in one God. All idols are manifestations or parts of the original God in paganism. Hindus or other idol worshippers say the same thing. So they have exactly the same belief as the lie they are being fed. Satan cannot make people polytheists directly, for the most part. Because there is true knowledge/revelation in the genes of human beings and people innately know that there is only one God. That's why Satan insidiously makes people polytheistic. He says that the one God manifests in different ways. And he deceives the pagans mostly in this way. Hindus, Native Americans, Asian pagans, new age believers, Christians think they believe in one God, but in reality they are polytheists. They have associated partners with Allah, so you are in shirk. Hindus "333 in 1" Christians "3 in 1". Pantheists "everything in 1" New Agers "we are in 1" This is paganism. You just made that up. None of it is even remotely correct. It's just nonsense.
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14th March 2023, 04:03 PM	#2742
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tiny town west of Brisbane. Posts: 7,171	Emre, I have never seen an explanation demonstrating why one god is better than multiple gods. Strictly speaking you believe in two gods also because you believe in Satan.
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14th March 2023, 04:34 PM	#2743
JayUtah Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The great American West Posts: 22,563	Originally Posted by Thor 2 I have never seen an explanation demonstrating why one god is better than multiple gods. Personally I think one is too many.

14th March 2023, 05:03 PM	#2744
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tiny town west of Brisbane. Posts: 7,171	Originally Posted by JayUtah Personally I think one is too many. Me too, but I can't see why it is considered a given, that a single god is better than multiple ones.
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14th March 2023, 05:05 PM	#2745
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,214	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Hindus "333 in 1" Christians "3 in 1". Pantheists "everything in 1" New Agers "we are in 1" This is paganism. Atheism "there is no such thing as 1"
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14th March 2023, 05:07 PM	#2746
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,015	Originally Posted by Thor 2 Me too, but I can't see why it is considered a given, that a single god is better than multiple ones. A unicycle is considered a means of transport. A two-wheel bicycle is a little easier to ride. A four-wheel car is better still. But a 34-wheel B-double truck rides over everything in its path!
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14th March 2023, 05:46 PM	#2747
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,214	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander A unicycle is considered a means of transport. A two-wheel bicycle is a little easier to ride. A four-wheel car is better still. But a 34-wheel B-double truck rides over everything in its path! So, Hinduism then.
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14th March 2023, 07:56 PM	#2748
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,015	Originally Posted by arthwollipot So, Hinduism then. If you want to argue that more is better. Om mani padme hum. Also... Quote: In Japan there is a way to call all the god is 八百萬命神 which means 8 million gods. https://www.quora.com/What-religion-...s-and-folklore
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15th March 2023, 08:06 AM	#2749
JayUtah Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The great American West Posts: 22,563	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander A unicycle is considered a means of transport. A two-wheel bicycle is a little easier to ride. A four-wheel car is better still. But a 34-wheel B-double truck rides over everything in its path! Aerospace engineer: Wheels are irrelevant.

15th March 2023, 08:40 AM	#2750
sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 8,398	Raisins and virgins again? Kinda think those solemn British Arabists failed us here, and did the Qran a small injustice. Confusing "grape" and "raisin" is old stuff in 19th century English. But calling virgins grapes is just a bit of leering Arab poetry; the gynecological reasons are obvious. So everybody knew what the hadith was saying, and you can see why a horny Muslim fundy might be motivated by the idea. "Hamid my brother, I shall devour the [smirk] grapes of paradise!" "But Jaffar, my dear, why should you martyr and leave me behind?" "Well, actually, it's your behind that's the problem. I grow weary of creeping into the same tent each night." "By Allah, it is not well! Go with a thousand and one kisses, and may the Prophet bless your detonator!" Am I in the picture, Emre? I didn't want to be silent too often.
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21st March 2023, 04:40 PM	#2751
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,198	Answer to Iznik(Bursa) Council? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrsWclNX...g&name=900x900

21st March 2023, 04:57 PM	#2752
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 44,184	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Answer to Iznik(Bursa) Council? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrsWclNX...g&name=900x900 This isn't your blog.
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21st March 2023, 07:01 PM	#2753
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,015	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Answer to Iznik(Bursa) Council? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrsWclNX...g&name=900x900 Complete nonsense. Why did you even bother posting it here??
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22nd March 2023, 07:18 AM	#2754
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 28,635	Originally Posted by JayUtah Aerospace engineer: Wheels are irrelevant. They often help at the beginning and end........
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22nd March 2023, 07:46 AM	#2755
JayUtah Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The great American West Posts: 22,563	Originally Posted by catsmate They often help at the beginning and end........ In my mind I was going straight to rockets, but yeah.