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Yes and no. Millions of 'COVID-19 doses' are transmitted from infected people to their fellow human beings every day all around the world, but not even millions of Covid-19 vaccine doses are heading to Cuba. In spite of the photo accompanying the article of a woman holding an oversized model of a syringe with the name of one of the Cuban vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, Soberana, the article completely misses the point: It's a donation of syringes, not of vaccines. The author of the piece seems to think that a syringe for administering vaccine is the same as a dose of vaccine. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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More help and support arriving from all corners of the world:
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«Today new aid arrives in our country, the result of a long history of ties that unite the two nations and of the excellent relations that exist between us. It is a reaffirmation that this union is unbreakable, "said González Fraga, adding that these donations will contribute to facing the COVID-19 pandemic. The Mexican ambassador to Cuba, Miguel Díaz Reynoso, asserted that with these shipments, “his nation appreciates the help and support of the Cuban medical brigades when our people most needed them. This is not an isolated action. It is part of the continuous search for cooperation and collaboration,” adding that his government will continue to be attentive to Cuba's needs in order to provide more assistance. An aircraft with 30 high-performance lung ventilators arrived from China, and according to information from the Mincex, this cargo is part of another that is yet to arrive with more medical supplies, mainly means of protection. This attitude of solidarity with our people shows the world's dissatisfaction with the sanctions imposed on Cuba by the criminal commercial, economic and financial blockade of the USA, intensified in the stage of greatest scourge of the pandemic, and that the current administration of Joe Biden has not changed. On the contrary, he recently threatened to take more coercive measures. With deep gratitude, Cuba receives new solidarity shipments from Mexico and China |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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I expect it to speed up in the next couple of weeks, but considering the difficulties Cuba is up against, I don't think it's doing bad: Doses per 100 pop USA: 103.35 (July 31) Cuba: 80.95 (July 28) Vaccinated USA: 57.26% (Aug. 1) Cuba: 33.84% (July 30) Fully vaccinated USA: 49.26% (Aug. 1) Cuba: 23.13% (July 30) The number of deaths per million in Cuba is still rising much too fast. At 251, Cuba has overtaken Norway (146) and Finland (177) with more than half of Denmark's (438). With millions of syringes arriving in the country, I can't imagine that Cuba will ever get anywhere near the number of the USA (1,889), however much Trump and Biden would want it to. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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The rioters in Cuba seem to have some things in common with the rioters in the USA:
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The pandemic is still raging in Cuba, but the USA has more Covid-19 cases per day than Cuba again and more deaths in total numbers, but not per capita. And on top of Cuba's other problems with the pandemic, there is a shortage of oxygen: Cuba busca alternativas para mitigar afectaciones por baja cobertura de oxígeno medicinal (Granma.cu, Aug. 15, 2021) However, the Cuban vaccine campaign is moving along at an admirable pace, the Che Guevara medical brigade has returned from Venezuela to help administer vaccinations, and I think it won't be long until Cuba overtakes the American vaccination numbers: More than 25 percent of the population has been fully vaccinated, 11,409,451 jabs have been administered (the Cuban vaccines require three shots). 4,788,750 people have had at least one dose, 3,604,756 a second dose, and 3,015,945 three doses. Cuba has a population of 11.3 million. Más del 25 % de la población cubana está completamente vacunada contra la COVID (Granma.cu, Aug. 14, 2021) |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Tracking Covid-19 vaccinations worldwide (CNN Covid-19 vaccine tracker: View vaccinations by country, Aug. 17, 2021)
Comparing vaccination rates: Doses administered per 100 people United States: 107 (246 days) Cuba: 103 (99 days) The Covid-19 death toll per million at this point is: USA: 1,917 Cuba: 361 |
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Tracking Covid-19 vaccinations worldwide (CNN Covid-19 vaccine tracker: View vaccinations by country, Aug. 18, 2021)
Comparing vaccination rates: Doses administered per 100 people United States: 107 (247 days) Cuba: 107 (100 days) The Covid-19 death toll per million at this point is: USA: 1,921 Cuba: 367 |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Comparing vaccination rates: Doses administered per 100 people United States: 107 (248 days) Cuba: 108 (101 days) COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people, Aug 18, 2021 (OurWorldInData) United States: 107.22 Cuba: 107.93 (Aug. 16, 2021) |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Shown is the rolling 7-day average per 100 people in the total population. For vaccines that require multiple doses, each individual dose is counted.
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- But that was about the earthquake in Haiti in 2010, not about the latest Haitian earthquake! - Yes, it was! But nothing's changed in this respect in 2021!
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(And no, Havana Times is not a pro-Cuban website!) I assume that Cuba will help get a Haitian Covid-19 vaccine campaign going when all Cubans have had the first jab. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Ganar tiempo en el tratamiento es clave para preservar la vida (+Video) (Granma.cu, Aug. 22, 2021)
The article isn't easy for Google to translate into English, but it makes it possible to understand most of it. It gives an impression of the difficulties that Cuba's pandemic response (actually the whole health-care system) has been facing after it was overwhelmed by the Delta variant. The vaccine rollout in Cuba still seems to be doing fine: Cuba 109.74 (Aug. 20, 2021) USA 108.44 COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people, Aug 22, 2021, (Our World in Data, Aug. 22, 2021) Cuba 1.29 (Aug 20, 2021) USA 0.27 Daily COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people, Aug 22, 2021, (Our World in Data, Aug. 22, 2021) |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Tracking Covid-19 vaccinations worldwide (CNN, Aug. 27, 2021) Doses administered per 100 people USA 109 Cuba 114 |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people, Sep 10, 2021: USA, Cuba (Our World in Data)
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Two and a half months later, this has changed considerably, mainly because the number of cases as well as deaths per day in the USA has increased since July, but Cuba's number of Daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people (Our World in Data) is also sinking rapidly thanks to Cuba's extremely efficient vaccine rollout. On CNN's Covid-19 vaccine tracker site, Cuba is now #4 in the world in doses administered per 100 people. Share of people vaccinated against COVID-19: Cuba, USA (Our World in Data) Daily COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people: Cuba, USA - rolling 7-day average (Our World in Data) COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people, Sep 30, 2021: Cuba, USA (Our World in Data) Share of people who received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine: Cuba, USA (Our World in Data) Share of the population fully vaccinated against COVID-19: Cuba, USA (Our World in Data) |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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With what appears to be a steady drop in the number of new cases, Cuba is reopening:
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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It just occurred to me that I never actually checked newyorkguy's claim that Cuba, "with a population of 11 million people," was "recording more new Covid-19 cases per day then in the U.S." on July 10, 2021. It wasn't true! And, in fact, it never was! The Cuban number of daily cases were pretty awful back then, and it only got worse for the next two months, but on July 10, Cuba had 4,406 cases, USA 19,061 (rolling 7-day average). Daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases: Cuba, USA To get an idea of how bad the situation was in Cuba, we would have to look instead at Daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases per million people: Cuba, USA. This makes it apparent that for a couple of months this summer and fall, Cuba had (and actually still has) more daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases per million than the USA. On July 10, Cuba had 389 cases per million, the USA 57. At approximately the same time, Cuba's daily death toll from COVID-19 per million people also exceeded that of the USA, but Cuba's number of daily deaths decreased much faster and is now lower than in the USA: Daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people: Cuba, USA. I assume that the vaccines are the reason why Cuba has fewer deaths per million but still more daily cases of infection than the USA: Share of people vaccinated against COVID-19: Cuba, USA. For some time, Cuba has had a higher percentage of vaccinated people, but until very recently a low proportion of people who were fully vaccinated, so the level of vaccination was enough to help prevent deaths but not yet enough to really prevent new infections. Now that Cuba has caught up with the USA in the percentage of people that are fully vaccinated, I think that very soon, maybe by the end of this week, the USA will have a higher percentage of new infections than Cuba - not only because of the vaccines, but also because the Cubans seem to be adhering to the mask mandate. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Cuba not only has fewer daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people than the USA. Since yesterday, Cuba also has fewer daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases per million people.
Earlier this week, Cuba overtook the USA in share of people fully vaccinated against COVID-19: Cuba 58.42% USA 56.09% Total number of people vaccinated (fully + partly): Cuba 85.46% USA 64.91% And the daily COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people is still amazing. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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An open letter to President Biden on COVID-19 vaccines for Cuba
I didn't notice this one when it appeared two months ago:
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Background: Daily COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people Daily COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people Share of people vaccinated against COVID-19 Daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases per million people Cumulative confirmed COVID-19 cases per million people Daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people Cumulative confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Of course, he didn't.
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Cuba-U.S. tensions mount over pending protests on Communist-run island (Reuters, Oct 25, 2021)
As activists plan nationwide protests, Cuba accuses U.S. of involvement (NBC News, Oct 27, 2021) I think that protesters, if they do show up in November, will be an outnumbered minority: Cuban workers denounce poorly concealed objectives of mercenary ruckus (Granma.cu, Oct 20, 2021) And they can no longer refer to a failed pandemic strategy like they (and the OP of this thread) did in July: 100% of Cuba's eligible population has received at least one dose of a nationally developed COVID-19 vaccine (Granma.cu, Oct 27, 2021) Daily COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people Daily COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people Share of people vaccinated against COVID-19 Daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases per million people Cumulative confirmed COVID-19 cases per million people Daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people Cumulative confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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How to get those protests going:
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We have already (in post 97) established that Cuba never had more new Covid-19 cases per day than the USA, but let us take a look at the situation today, two days before the protests that have been announced for Nov 15 and were meant to coincide with Cuba's reopening of the tourist trade. Daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases per million people. 7-day rolling average. Cuba 39.75, USA 238.06 (On July 11, it was: Cuba 432.25, USA 60.25) Daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people. 7-day rolling average. Cuba 0.25, USA 3:45 (On July 11, it was: Cuba 2.35, USA 0.71) Cuba has one third of the cumulative confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people of the USA: Cuba 731.52, USA 2,290.43. Thus, Cuba is at #97. The USA at # 20. And without the U.S. blockade, Cuba would probably have fared much better. |
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"protest plans fizzle in Havana"
The only protests erupting in Cuba this weekend appeared to be against U.S. backed Yunior Garcia:
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It doesn't come as a surprise that the people protesting against Yunior Garcia outside his house are referred to as "a violent crowd": Cuba: A Violent Crowd Surrounds Yunior Garcia’s House and Threatens the Foreign Press (TranslatingCuba, Nov 14, 2021) But fortunately, NBC News has footage of the alleged violence: Standoff between Cuban government and activists begins ahead of march (NBC News, Nov 14, 2021) It is also no surprise that most Cubans don't approve of Yunior Garcia'a attempt at having new riots one day before Cuba opens up to tourism, which they hope will help revive the Cuban economy, which took a severe battering from the pandemic. It is obvious that Yunior Garcia's backers in Washington and Miami would like to see him ruin these attempts at an economic revival. After all, that is the reason why they forbid Americans to go there, isn't it?! |
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This podcast is about the July protests, not about the (planned) November protests:
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Yes how surprising that the only people allowed to "protest" unmolested in Cuba are the thugs who "protest" on behalf of the country's cruel ruling dictatorship that oppresses anyone who tries to assert their own freedom.
Naturally secret police goons and corrupt police officers join this "protest" in solidarity with those opposing political freedom. As despicable as these scum of the earth are, their actions are in a sense at least reasonable if utterly self-centered and amoral. The same can not be said for the insane nutcases who see obvious oppression take place and then somehow completely mistake oppressor for the oppressed. That takes a very special kind of crazy. |
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We would be a lot safer if the Government would take its money out of science and put it into astrology and the reading of palms. Only in superstition is there hope. - Kurt Vonnegut Jr And no, Cuba is not a brutal and corrupt dictatorship, and it's definitely less so than Sweden. - dann |
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Yes, nationalist Swedes will obviously be offended by a country that does its utmost to protect children as well as adults from contagion during a pandemic. The freedom to infect is held in high regard in Sweden, a country where even outdoor demonstrations (of more than 20 (!) people) were forbidden - be it BLM demonstrations or protests against Sweden's lax recommendations.
Placing insane nutcases in charge of a country's pandemic response, condemning the vulnerable to isolate month after month because the state epidemiologist considers going for herd immunity to be common sense and even after the introduction of vaccines still lets children be exposed to and transmit the infection, that is truly the pinnacle of statesmanship and unselfish morality. That Cuba arrests rioters, not participants in ordinary demonstrations as long as they are peaceful, is not exactly insane. The Jan 6 'protesters' are still being rounded up, too, and not for participating in the peaceful part of the rally. But in Cuba, Western nationalists see rioters as freedom fighters, which is not at all surprising. That is how QAnon cultists see themselves. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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In recent weeks, Cuba got a new national hero, Dr. Carlos Lorenzo Vázquez, a Cuban physician and first degree specialist in general comprehensive medicine and oncology. A little like the Cuban Five, who infiltrated terrorist groups in Miami, but not quite as dramatic, he pretended to be a dissident to gain access to U.S. financed workshops aimed at training mercenaries to destabilize Cuban society by promoting confrontations between the Cuban armed forces and the Cuban people. At these workshops, he got to know Yunior Garcia, the leader of the failed attempt to have new riots in Cuba this month, akin to the ones in July.
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And Dr. Carlos is just one of many: Médicos que han salvado a Cuba de la CIA y sus cómplices (+ Video) (Granma.cu, Nov 15, 2021) People in NY and NJ rally in support of Cuba: NY coalition members support Cuba and ask for the end of US blockade (Prensa Latina, Nov 15, 2021) The most recent SARS-CoV-2 numbers: Daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases per million people. 7-day rolling average. Cuba 33, USA 251. Daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people. 7-day rolling average. Cuba 0.23, USA 3.49. Share of people vaccinated against COVID-19 Cuba: fully 73.41, total 89.07; USA: fully 57.58, total 67.38. Since it takes three jabs to be fully vaccinated in Cuba, the difference is even bigger if we look at COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people Cuba 238.92, USA 130.99. And even at this point, Cuba is still vaccinating much more than the USA: Daily COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people. Rolling 7-day average. Cuba 0.98, USA 0.30. For some reason, Cubans appear to have confidence in the Cuban vaccines. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Excellent YouTube video about the July protests in Cuba:
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Some of the footage from the July demonstrations presented as protests against the Cuban government were actually manipulated footage from pro-government rallies with the text of the signs blurred out. In combination with footage from what appears to be Miami protests, it gives the impression that there were more anti-government protesters than was actually the case.
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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The numbers still seem to be going down after Cuba's reopening:
Daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases per million people. 7-day rolling average. Cuba 33, USA 251. --> Cuba 28, USA 261. Daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people. 7-day rolling average. Cuba 0.23, USA 3.49. --> Cuba 0.15, USA 3.50. Only the vaccination numbers are still going up, pretty fast, at this late stage of the vaccination campaign: Share of people vaccinated against COVID-19 Cuba: fully 73.41, total 89.07; USA: fully 57.58, total 67.38. --> Cuba: fully 77.83, total 89.20; USA: fully 57.72, total 67.84. COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people Cuba 238.92, USA 130.99. --> Cuba 243.59, USA 132.25 Daily COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people. Rolling 7-day average. Cuba 0.98, USA 0.30. --> Cuba 1.41, USA 0.34. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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The playwright Yunior Garcia apologizes for taking a vacation in Spain after having upset his neighbors in Havana:
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He must have tried very hard because he seems to have forgiven himself already. Notice his use of imagery: "death in life." That is a great way to work death into the narrative when nothing remotely deadly actually happened. And the dramatist is already busy writing a new version of the old story about communists eating babies:
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Cuba could at least have done him the favor of trying to prevent him from leaving (what happened to the angry mob?!), which would have made the whole thing seem heroic, but ...
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As always, when you hear claims like this, I recommend that you ask to see the footage of the hardline mob (post 108). Many Cubans have smart phones nowadays, in particular the ones who earn a living reporting to the international media. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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This is in line with what I have heard from Cubans who are not politicized. I have listened to people complain for most of an hour about what they thought was wrong with Cuba, most of all the low wages, but then ending with: 'But if the Americans come here, I'll get hold of a gun and fight them!' And speaking of guns: When la cubana in the quotation says, "the police don’t shoot people," she knows what she is talking about. She has seen the videos of police brutality in the USA, and she knows about police shootings and gang violence in other Latin American countries. She knows that Cuban police aren't trigger happy. And she knows about the U.S. blockade as well ... And at this point, she also knows that "the rapid spread of COVID-19" is no longer a problem in Cuba. She knows about the vaccines developed by Cuba, and she herself has no doubt already been vaccinated with one of those vaccines at this point. That's the major difference between now and July 11. The food is on the way along with tourism, and with the sale of the Cuban vaccines and licenses to produce them abroad. Daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases per million people. 7-day rolling average. Daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people. 7-day rolling average. Share of people vaccinated against COVID-19 COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people Daily COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people. Rolling 7-day average. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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The Yunior Garcia story:
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He allegedly fled because of threats, but he just happened to have already obtained a 90-day visa to Spain, which he hadn't mentioned to his friends, to whom Spain had issued no such visa. And two friends sneaked him out of the house past the security guards, who didn't stop him because they wanted him to leave? What is it? Did they sneak him out, or was he just allowed to leave? And if they wanted to arrest him, why let him leave?! Cuban satire: Paisaje después de la batalla (Granma.cu, Nov 21, 2021) |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Tortured and imprisoned in Cuba for 20 years without a charge and no end in sight
Protests, anyone?!
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Since last month, Nov 16:
Daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases per million people. 7-day rolling average. Cuba 33, USA 251. --> Cuba 6; USA 357 Daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people. 7-day rolling average. Cuba 0.23, USA 3.49. --> Cuba 0.03; USA 3.98 The Cuban trend is still decreasing numbers of new cases and deaths. Share of people vaccinated against COVID-19. Cuba: fully 73.41, total 89.07; USA: fully 57.58, total 67.38. --> Cuba: fully 82.06, total 90.37; USA: fully 60.72; total 72.23 COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people. Cuba 238.92, USA 130.99 --> Cuba 257.04; USA 147.6 Daily COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people. Rolling 7-day average. Cuba 0.98, USA 0.30 --> Cuba 0.44; USA 0.40 Since Nov 22, the rates of new vaccinations in the two countries have been very similar. After Cuba finished vaccinating the kids, it has more or less run out of shoulders but has started to administer booster shots to health-care workers and vulnerable groups. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Comparing the COVID-19 Responses in Cuba and the United States (American Journal of Public Health, Aug 16/Dec 8, 2021)
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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