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21st January 2019, 04:56 PM | #1 |
Mrs. Rincewind
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Request for Information
I'm looking for specific information from those of religious persuasions relating to a book I am working on about transgender issues. I am looking for the following:
I'm not looking to start a debate, just gathering information. please respond in dm if you wish. thank you for participating. |
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21st January 2019, 05:10 PM | #2 |
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1. None although I'm sitting on the fence about The Tooth Fairy.
2. N/A 3. N/A 4. I'm cool with trans guys. Don't bother me at all. 5. Non. Although I think I met one or two in Thailand. |
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21st January 2019, 05:47 PM | #3 |
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1. None, but raised vaguely Anglican and went to a CofE School
2. I don't remember the subject ever coming up. My time in a religious environment was mid 70's to mid 80's, the CofE at that time was relatively socially liberal at the grass roots level. 3. N/A 4. I'm very much of the "People should be allowed to do what they need to inorder to lead happy and healthy lives, unless it actively stops others from doing so" school of thought with a side order of "Other people's sexuality is not my business", so it differs from a lot of Christianity but less so from my experience if the CofE growing up. 5. None at the moment (so far as I'm aware), but I move in a pretty small circle these days. There was my old Tae Kwondo instructor a few years back. |
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21st January 2019, 06:30 PM | #4 |
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21st January 2019, 08:06 PM | #5 |
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1. None, but raised RCC.
2. In theory, all damned to hell, in practice an edge condition conveniently brushed under the rug. 3. None that I know of unless one squints really hard. It is simply not something the bible authors were equipped to handle. 4. Such bigots can all go die in a fire for all I care. 5. My eldest is trans and I volunteer for the trans community so hatloads. Not a fair or representative sample of the general populace. |
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21st January 2019, 09:01 PM | #6 |
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1. Christian (though not currently part of a church and reconsidering how I think about faith at present).
2. I've never heard any formal teaching about it. The congregation I was last a part of would have widely varying opinions. If pressed, I suspect the official response of the leaders would be akin to that on LGB; that homosexual acts are "sinful", but no more so than any other "sinful" act, so the response to a transgendered person would be compassion and kindness with a hope for change. However they might acknowledge that there is a difference between trans and homosexuality and just go with, "we're not sure on this, so let's just be kind". Not totally sure. 3. I think the lack of explicit scripture on the matter might result in the latter response I mentioned above. 4. I think Jesus spent a lot of time with (and genuinely enjoyed the company of) people who were looked down upon by the mainstream of his time. I think he treated them the way he would like to be treated and that's an example I'd like to emulate as best I can. 5. None that I know of except a neighbour's child with a male phenotype who identifies as a girl (aged ~5 I think). Good luck with your book. |
21st January 2019, 09:26 PM | #7 |
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Pretty much all N/A, but I had a couple of trans co-workers. That I knew of.
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21st January 2019, 09:56 PM | #8 |
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21st January 2019, 10:57 PM | #9 |
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Fuzzy memory kicked in and there is some OT section talk of proper choices for sex. Talks of men with animals, other men and women not his own wife.
I do not own a bible to look it up. My father found it decades ago and mentioned the book/verse in a not nice letter to my mother during the divorce. |
21st January 2019, 11:05 PM | #10 |
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I recommend The Brick Testament as a handy reference work. All you are looking for in this post is there.
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22nd January 2019, 07:05 AM | #11 |
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1. None, but I'll answer as best I can for Mormonism (which permeates the air where I live) until some real Mormons come along.
2. Mormonism teaches that changing your physical gender is against God's plan, which appears to be heavily dependent on marriage and child-rearing. It tends to lump atypical gender identity and sexual attraction or behavior into the same category of sin. 3. None that I'm aware of, but Mormon leaders claim to speak directly for God and so don't need footnotes. 4. My personal belief is that gender identity, and all the behavior that goes with it, is an intriguing facet of sexual behavior among the human species, and that our understanding of that behavior is constantly expanding and becoming more nuanced. The Mormon religion's approach to sexuality seems to depend on how old one is. Older Mormons naturally seem to tend toward pretending it's still 1959, while the younger generation are more tolerant toward different expressions of sexual identity and behavior, and are generally far less dogmatic than their elders. 5. I've known one trans man and two trans women, though not all at the same time. |
22nd January 2019, 07:31 AM | #12 |
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1 - None (atheist)
2 - N/A 3 - N/A 4 - People can do what they want as long as they don't hurt others. I'm a little fed up with having to hear so much about it - its their business, not mine. 5 - To my knowledge, none. Have met the occasional one over time in various contexts. Hans |
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22nd January 2019, 07:40 AM | #13 |
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1. While I do not believe that there is some sort of god, or gods, and I do not act as if there is any sort of god, or gods. However, I cannot say for sure that there is not any sort of god, or gods, out there in the universe.
Therefore, I am an agnostic who is essentially an atheist. 2. My religious belief does not teach me anything about transgender people. 3. There is no scriptural backing for my religious belief. 4. See Answer "1." for my religious belief. Since my religion does not have any teachings, therefore I am unable to answer this question. 5. I know three transgender people right now, and I have known several others in the past. |
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22nd January 2019, 09:04 AM | #14 |
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22nd January 2019, 09:44 AM | #15 |
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I'd like to know more about the thesis of the book and how this inquiry informs it.
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22nd January 2019, 03:35 PM | #16 |
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22nd January 2019, 03:45 PM | #17 |
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The book covers many different facets of transgender experience including historical, cross cultural, and psychological aspects (as in, how have trans people been understood in ancient times; what is it like to be trans in china; gender dysphoria as a psychological diagnosis and issues around depression, self harm, and suicidal ideation); the experience of trans people in america today (as in, trans youth make up a disproportionate amount of the homeless); survival sex for lgbtq+ youth; drug and alcohol abuse; and the application of religious belief in the transgender context.
this thread specifically stems from a report I read that suggested the more trans people one knew, the more positively one views trans people; furthermore that the less religious one is, the more trans people one is likely to know. I was curious to see informally if this held and to question those who do apply various religions to their view of transgender what specific materials they use to form their beliefs. the study I referred to can be seen here |
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22nd January 2019, 03:53 PM | #18 |
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