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I would like to see statistics on religious observance. When I lived in Italy, you usually only saw older people going to church with many churches no longer in use and congregations consolidating. Baptisms were always big events but I suspect for many children, that's their first and last religious observance.
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That is another absolutely stunning example of your seemingly intentional dismembering of another's comment to support some notion of your own. Really breathtaking.
*Compare with the original from which you took those words, obviously omitting the single modifier crucial to the intended meaning of the original, thus allowing you to once again move the goalposts for no particular reason other than perhaps the polemical malice which others have noted from you in every thread you enter. |
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If you have managed to catch your breath now and recovered from the flailing given to you by Peregrines above. You talk about "The One True Church" and I wonder how that definition is arrived at. Other Christian churches seem to define themselves, and the difference between themselves, by scripture. They look to the Bible for guidance for one and some even claim to have a relationship with Jesus/God so get first hand instructions about what is the truth. As I understand it this is not so with Catholics. Catholics concede much more authority to the clergy and the clergy are held in much higher esteem than in other churches. Priests speak on behalf of God, (during confessions for example), and are regarded beyond reproach. The Pope after all is the rock on which the church, the one true church, is built. This is what is making the Catholic Church bleed so much now, I suggest. The authority of the Pope, and all those directly or indirectly appointed by him is being questioned, because of the obvious mistakes and the questionable character of many. |
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From everything I was taught, the Assemblies of God was the "one true church".
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Ha, Ha. Found the news item: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-1...report/8722678
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"49 members of the Catholic Church of abusing young members" One would suspect that a high percentage of the members of the church that were in contact with the boys. The hits just keep on coming. |
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1945, and the article compares it to a concentration camp, when in fact there were actual concentration camps in Germany? Disgusting.
As I am sure we all are, we are horrified by the fact that homosexual pederasts infiltrated institutions like schools and churches. The article says they nipped it the bud 25 years ago. Good for them! |
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With infinite patience. The clause "as a Roman Catholic" in Thor 2's sentence did not refer to himself, the speaker of the sentence, it referred to you, the intended recipient of the question.
He wanted to know what you, a Roman Catholic, thought of his earlier statement. |
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Yes good for them but don't lets mix up homosexuals with pedophiles. When I was a kid they were lumped together but these days we know better. What I would like to get your take on is what do you, as a Roman Catholic, think about my reasoning in the above post, about why the Catholic church is bleeding so much now. You know that stuff about Catholicism being more about the ordained people of church than direct reference to scripture. |
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Question for The Big Dog: are you a member of the Roman Catholic Church?
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I submit that you did not - that you actually knew exactly what he was talking about, and just professed the other interpretation in order to be annoying.
Furthermore, now that it has been explained to you what everybody else could see perfectly well, are you going to answer the question and give us a Roman Catholic's opinion on the post? |
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You are correct and then some. You have not gone wrong in any substantive way.
In the RCC, the priest is a necessary intercessor between you and god. No way around that. When I was a kid, we had a roulette as to which "sins" one would confess in the wooden box. The game was to see who would get the least "Hail Mary's" as penance. It got a bit outrageous. In any event, at the time, there would be a queue outside the confessional and there would be two or three confessionals. One always waited to see which was the most fast moving queue before joining. Chop, chop, lets not wait about. Once in the guilt booth, one went about the task of regurgitating the trite sins aplenty, even if one had never done it just to shut up the quavering voice of the boring old fart at the other side of the grill who you knew was borking vulnerable little boys on the side. Bottom line is, the RCC thought of this as a mode of mind control. The never noticed when all of us flipped over to outright mockery. As children, we had perforce to go to confession. And there was a formula.
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Wasting your time. TBD refuses to identify what denomination out of the thousands to which he belongs. Why? I have no idea. One might think that he would decline to go the route of the petrine imaginary denial.
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You're welcome. The problem is that our proponent is so ashamed that they are embarrassed to state their allegiance, being in full knowledge that whichever denomination is so nominated will be replete with kiddie diddlers. You may expect no straight answer.
As raised, I was RCC. Before I hit double digits in age, I already had it figured out. Molestation of the vulnerable is endemic in all priesthoods. So it matters not if our protagonist picks a denomination. One is as evil as the other. You don't want to know what I have experienced. I am lucky. I was sufficiently informed that I could eyeball the pervs and they promptly backed off (thanks mom and pop). Nevertheless, there were those who had not that advantage. To my shame, I should have stood up for them too, but did not. It was devil take the hindmost. But I was a kid at the time. Decades later, my actions might have been different, unfortunately, these decades of experience are not to hand when you are a kid. At the time, it was a huge step to go to the plate on my own behalf, let alone step up for somebody else. As a kid, I had not that bandwidth, I had to protect myself first and foremost. And I did. Nevertheless, I regret that I did not step up for those more vulnerable. In those puberty years, one tends to have a self centric, self preservation view. Two of my compadres suicided because of it. I was lucky. My parents made it clear that I was my very own person, on foot of which, I eyeballed the bastages eye to eye. They didn't like that much, so I was marked as an avoid at all costs. |
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It is interesting that you, (and your parents too I suspect from what you said), was aware that molestation of the vulnerable was endemic in all priesthoods. This was some time ago I would imagine, and I wonder therefore how many other Catholics at the time, were similarly aware of this. Even so it seems, the abuse went on for many years until the big exposure recently. You mustn't be to hard on yourself for not stepping up for those more vulnerable in your youth. I think we all look back at some time or other when we could have done something more and didn't. I certainly do. |
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I would caution against the assumption that everyone else's experience is the same as one's own. Even just going by the numbers, a majority of priests don't molest.
The Principle of Charity is dead in this thread, it seems. |
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Yes most uncharitable of us I'm sure: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-0...sydney/8242600 No your right of course a majority don't but a surprisingly large percentage do.
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Just a quick update re Pell.
He attended court yesterday and entered a plea of not guilty. The trial will start in October. Something else occurs to me. When Pell was giving evidence before the Royal Commission, I know his testimony was regarded as questionable, by the Commissioner and his assistant at the time, as they expressed this quite clearly. Now when the inquiry is finalised towards the end of the year, will charges of perjury be made against those suspected of it? All testimony was given under oath as I understand it. |
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I think the question about bringing perjury charges against Pell is rather academic. If he is found guilty then he could be facing a long prison sentence. If you spell not guilty then trying to prove a charge of perjury would be difficult.
Edit. October is just the date of his next court appearance, not the start of his trial. |
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