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The charge of perjury would not be about his own physical involvement in child sex abuse, but his evidence about the covering up thereof. Therefore I can't see how the result of his trial will effect the other. Thanks for the info about the trial. These legal proceedings are confusing. |
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And so it goes on. It would seem the Catholic Church is only paying lip service to the ideal of caring for the abused. The actions are still consistently about caring for the church and it's assets.
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I notice the footballer failed to provide a source for that claim, and given what we know about the ABC and their "citation" methods in their anti-religion articles...
Well a skeptic would take that with a grain of salt. That being said, I see nothing unchristian about raising legal defenses to legal claims. |
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You think it's an isolated case of bias against your church?
Think again.15 years and still avoiding paying compensation. The legal matters are put to bed. Where is the christianity in that? |
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That's local news. If you intended the topic to be local, you failed to express it clearly [And even locally, there's a massive non sequitur between the thread's title and the piece of news in the OP]
The RCC is a political party which has being operating during almost two millennia. It has tens of thousands of political committees that celebrate gatherings at least once a week. Its central headquarters is an independent country itself. Hence, saying it's in free fall is a ridiculous notion. |
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Well all news is local to some degree I suppose. The piece of news in the OP was about the third highest ranking person in the Roman Catholic Church. He just happens to be an Australian. As has been uncovered by the Royal Commission into child abuse the Catholic involvement is massive: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-0...sydney/8242600
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What are you banging on about The Big Dog? Who is the former footballer .... Paul Kennedy? Am not an expert on football and it's stars so this is news to me. Non the less I don't see why being a former footballer would disqualify you from being a person of some intellect - unless you were kicked in the head at some time. |
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Yes no doubt it will hang on in a diminished form but only be a shadow of its former self - well in the West anyway. https://cruxnow.com/church/2015/05/1...-denomination/
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To answer that, we'd have to define "major" and "world" in the context of a religion. Of the three primary monotheistic religions, the Jews became a "world" religion primarily through the diaspora, and Christianity and Islam through conquest and active missionary endeavours.
Possibly the most recent religion that had a large number of active adherents or believers and subsequently go extinct was the Norse (Thor, Odin, Freyja and the lot.) For the most part they converted to Christianity. |
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Hopefully!!! And may the fundies of all stripes do the same. Swiftly and permanently!!!!!
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Looks like the % of Christians in the USA is falling at the rate of 1% per year. In 2014 71% were Christian. This means that around 2091 there will be no Christians left in USA. Though immigration will alter this figure.
The numbers you cite are a bit meaningless as they mix percentages with absolute numbers. Edit. From the second link they give the % of Catholics dropping from 24 - 21% over 7 years. This means that Catholics in the USA will cease to exist in 49 years from 2014 which is 2063. |
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You have there the typical non sequitur of randi/internationalwhatnots forum's: It's the period between "year" and "In".
That's also a failed induced inference, another means for manipulation this website should be fighting against and not promoting. ------------------------------------------------------- It's appalling to see how sin seems to be the part of religion that attracts people -both insiders and outsiders- into these discussions. Besides, the existence of catholic priests abusing girls doesn't seem to cast so much attention, except to come through as "thorough", in the same way movies about Vikings cast one or two coloured people just to meet union requirements and some ill expectations of a bigot-by-political-correctedness public. It's the both homosexual and paedophile the ones who have users flocking into these threads. That's very telling. There's certainly no real evidence of any god and regarding the Christian, the misconstruction of the death of a real life saint by his ignorant foul smelling sidekicks into a false resurrection, plus an additional schizo who even never knew the saint but crossed paths with him in the windmill of his mind to later pontificate about the meaning of the saint's path in Earth, all leading to a Trinity and other artefactual developments, all to be sold to the gentile, this whole thing only makes Christianity into the longest lasting marketing campaign in history. But in spite of that, there's no decline towards extinction either for Christianity or any other time tested religion, just because you can't phase out human instincts at will. Not yours, and certainly not other's. That's why from Joseph Smith to Hubbard and Moon, they continue to appear new outrageous developments that suck up from those instincts. |
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The Inca Empire (some 12 to 20 million inhabitants) had its mythology imposed all over its domain with a great deal of syncretism. Christianity absorbed that and took advantage of that syncretism, that's why you have in my country the Pachamama festival, where "Mother Earth" has being absorbed by Virgin Mary, yet "pagan" traditions survive within.
Protestants and Evangelic tend to consider that a devilish papist contamination (thus, just for a cultural reflex, those even Atheists grown in the Bible Belt flock here to enjoy commenting on the pederasty of any Catholic priest). On the whole, the RCC is more able to admit different cultural backgrounds -and less freedom to speculate about what the dogma is- than her Reformed counterparts, which only want to defeat and impose their different visions. That's why New Orleans, and not Boston, is the place for a Mardi Gras. |
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It's the difference between Ebola and common flu. A virus like Ebola is bound to disappear in a few human generations even without modern medicine, just because it's so virulent it kills the host before it's successfully spread. That's why it's outbreak, another outbreak, another outbreak, extinction (unless it mutates into something less virulent). Common flu is a foolish virus which is so slow to get the host ill that it's already being spread from the very beginning. It leaves the host ambulatory, so they can get more people infected. And it's so clumsy using the genetic machinery of the hosts that it creates a lot of mutated copies, most of them a failure, a few of them changed exactly as it's needed to avoid the defences of hosts, giving birth to next year strains.
RCC is like the flu. Syncretism is the way to overcome the defences of invaded groups. I can live with the Catholic flu. The Ebola Belt, with its fighting Darwin in the outskirts of science and other equally horrifying treats, I'm not so sure about that. |
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But that's a region of week culture. Take a look at these figures and the viral expansion of Evangelic Ebola. Cultureless people -not European nor Indians, in spite of their 30/70 makeup, that is, less White than Obama; not Westerners nor aboriginal; speaking an extremely limited Spanish and having lost their original languages; in a nutshell: people who doesn't belong to anything- are an easy target for Pentecostal, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses who will in turn brainwash and reprogram them into fifth class Usians and have them ringing doorbells in search for new victims.
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Perhaps also why Catholicism has been so successful in it's recruitment in different cultures. Central America is a prime example and I have seen it in the hill tribes of Thailand also. Seems somewhat contradictory however for a religion that claims to be "the one true church" and maintains the facade of being unchanging through time. |
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That's just the most a Christian denomination can match the Pepsi challenge.
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Oh, the o'le "it's OK because I did it".
Which of both parts of your doing you didn't understand? Using linear trends in the mind of the uneducated folk is a book example of induced inference: "religious people dropped from 80% in 2000 to 70% in 2010 so by 2080 there will be no religious people", where the text in the quotations is the induced inference and that "so", the place where the non sequitur is committed. The fact that you deceived yourself and/or are deceived by others in similar ways doesn't excuse you of the serious error you made in that assertion. You acted like an induced inference is normal reasoning and not just a pure piece of manipulation. And you did it in the public sections of a forum supposedly devoted to promote critical thinking and scepticism. |
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The slope of the trend line is unknown. So the simplest guess is to use straight lines. This would be accurate if the only people who are ever going to be Catholic are already Catholic. In reality all sorts of things complicate this picture. For example some children will become Catholic. Or maybe there might be a mass exodus, like they are exposed as tolerating abuse of children within their ranks. I did not bother to state that in my original post as I thought it too obvious.
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Actually, no. Straight lines might be the "simplest" guess in terms of the resulting calculations, but it's far from the simplest model of what's actually happening in cases like this. An equal number of members leaving the group every time period (a straight-line trend) would be reasonable in a scenario where the total number of members were only changing by a small factor over the whole time period. But when you're extending the trend toward extinction, the assumption of equal numbers (per unit time) leaving the group, simultaneously assumes an ever-larger fraction of them (per unit time) doing so. Until during the period from 2070 to 2080, in the example case, all of the remaining ones leave. (And then, continuing the trend, by 2090 there would be a large negative number of members, whatever that means.) If you instead extrapolate based on a constant fraction of existing members departing per specified time interval, the resulting exponential decay function is much better behaved. The trend of 80% in 2000 to 70% in 2010 extrapolates to about 33.5% in 2080. |
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"The slope of the trend line" ... "so" ... "is to use straight lines"? It translates as "it's linear, so I'll consider it to be linear".
No. The simplest guess is considering it "exponential" -logistic, to be exact-. That if a trend line would help to predict values way out of its time span. Telling that Christians are going to disappear by 2080 and telling that by 2180 a 200% of the population will be "not a Christian" are equally wrong. I suppose seeing Christianity vanished is a wish of yours, so when you arrived to 0 you stopped. Linear trends are intuitive to people 8 or 9 years old, that's why they can learn the rule of three at school. Stopping there and having the rest of your life at that level is just some personal doing of which everyone should take responsibility. Most of any other thing, in a website about scepticism everyone should put reason before personal expectations. I don't tell that to the hopeless people who flood this website with their epistemological hedonism. I'm telling you just because you usually do much better than this. I'd never imagine you being one of them. It's just that we, sceptical thinkers and non-Theists, hold ourselves to much higher moral and intellectual standards than those of Theists. Both Theists and non-Theist would be horrified just by the notion of killing someone. But non-Theists may be also horrified by the ability of Theists to self-servingly manufacture pet gods out of thin air. Don't stoop to their level. Don't allow any wish to perturb your reasoning. ETA: ninja'd by Myriad (regarding the trends) |
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