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And so it goes on:
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Covering up horrendous crimes goes beyond delusion, it's evil.
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14th August 2017, 04:41 AM | #204 |
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A whole pile of priests will go to jail.
Canon law is unbreakable for priests. It's immediate excommunication - and therefore eternity in hell - if they break the seal of the confessional. There have been quite a few priests who have already said that they're willing to go to jail rather than reveal anything said in the confessional. |
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14th August 2017, 12:28 PM | #205 |
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Exactly that.
If they are real priests they have to ignore what the courts demand. |
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14th August 2017, 01:18 PM | #206 |
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Yea it is as bad as when this hospital saved a woman's life.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=126985072 She should have let the woman die. That would be the catholic thing to do. |
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How can you write something that is so blatantly dishonest The Big Dog. You know perfectly well pondering turtle was saying this in a satirical manner. If the nun was reinstated in the Catholic Church then well and good but the article did not say this. If you have other information you should name your source. From the article:
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So we may have a pile of priests in Jail in Australia if the commission's recommendations are acted upon, and it becomes law that priests must reveal what they learn from confessions. I wonder what the law is in other lands. Have other countries got down this road and locked up priests? Just another way life is being made difficult for the Catholic Church today. |
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A bit more on the subject of confessions and breaking the law:
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Now, we're playing Chinese whispers ...
I don't see any difference between the way it works for psychiatrists and Catholic priests: obligation to report on-going crimes and soon-to-happen crimes. What to do about old crimes? There's the law, there's Ethics for psychiatrists and there's dogma for priests. Dogma is above human law, otherwise it wouldn't be dogma. No self-respecting "true religion" would allow dogma to be subjected to the "whims" of a judge, especially a protestant one. And that's the way it should be. Let the padre whose murderous pennant confessed to have told him his crime be pronounced guilty by a jury of protestants and rot in jail! Or better, death penalty American style for him! |
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To be fair, there are those within the Catholic church who agree with the recommendation. I don't know what the proportion is, but a couple of them are mentioned in this article:
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No it does not. It allows procedures to save the mother that as a side effect terminate the pregnancy but those procedures can not be abortions. So you can have an emergency hysterectomy instead of an abortion. These cause more damage and unnecessary suffering which is apparently what the church wants. See Mother Teresa for more on this.
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Just remember to keep pregnant women having complications away from catholic hospitals. No good ever comes of that.
See https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ealth-partners This is the problem of letting people who fetishize suffering run hospitals. |
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There's also these guys - a priest and an archbishop, who show that it's slightly more nuanced than we might assume.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-1...ective/8807216
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There are a couple of other aspects to the whole deal in that article, like the fact that confession is supposed to be anonymous. I'm not saying this to defend the Catholic policy. On the contrary, I think mandatory reporting is essential. But I think it's also important for us to recognise that it's just a little bit more complicated than we might assume. |
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It also gives the confessor the ability to get something off their chest by telling it to someone, whom they know is sworn to secrecy. That igs an enormous psychological advantage.
AFAIK, no other Christian denomination and no other religion has anything comparable to the Catholic confession. I don't see why a secular government should give Catholics an unfair advantage over others. Furthermore, a priest organizes someone's hobby they exercise on Sunday, just like a football coach or a Scout leader. We don't extend them the same right to silence either. |
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That may be near the truth in the Land of the Donald. But it isn't what the Church teaches:
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Zealots and assorted idiots will focus in the "willed as an end of as a means" instead of the subject of the phrase "direct abortion". "As a means" in the context of "direct abortion" implies such things as family planning and eugenics. As a means is abortion because you're having a trisomy-21 child, or to put it better, a trisomy-13 child. I wouldn't never hold the Church's view on this, but I can understand the ideology behind: if the mother is not at risk, let nature follow its course because yada-yada-****god****. The whole abortion thing is not a subject that I care about, as it seems I'd have no place in taking any decision about a child I should father except to pay the bills. |
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A good point but one has to wonder what percentage of practising Catholics really believe this stuff. Given that so many Catholics play fast and loose with many of the churches directives, about birth control and such, one has to wonder about this also. Abandon gave us an insight of his and others experiences when a practising Catholic in his youth. I wonder about the following extract from your quote in your post also:
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So, how does that play? There's no god but sacrament is somewhat important?
I thought the topic to be whether a priest should be forced by law to denounce someone who tells their crimes in the confessional (short answer: yes) and whether a priest should refuse to comply (short answer: yes). What does it have to do with that if the criminal is looking for relief through a ritual that connects him to an imaginary friend? |
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Well the point is that many priests have stated they will not comply, and this Father Brennan dude is trying to get around the issue, by saying he would deny absolution to someone who did not give himself up to the police. By doing this he thinks he is compelling the sinner to own up, so he can get absolution and take the Eucharist, thus avoiding an eternity in hell. On the surface a few years in jail is a small price to pay, compared to an eternity in hell, so one would think Father Brennan's strategy would work. All it needs is the strong faith of the sinner - which is the questionable part. We also have the issue of whether the priest is allowed to make up rules like this and as abaddon has shown there is some ambiguity according to Canon law about it. |
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Not sure about that, but the priest should judge if the repentance is genuine and deny the sacraments if it's not. There's much leeway there.
But this all doesn't relate to the point that a priest should never break the seal of the confessional unless there's an ongoing crime, no matter it mandated by the court. On the other hand, all criminals should convert to any protestant or evangelical confession at once and cut the intermediary. That would suit them much much much better. If caught -not by the gossip of an untrue catholic priest- they may become like the fictional Boyd Crowder in Justified. I strongly advice all criminals to do that and leave the cataholic church at once. Even Pope Pancho would agree with that. |
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