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13th October 2017, 12:46 AM | #81 |
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Yes, the spread of Islam gives me nightmares. Every time I hear some daft white woman has converted to Islam I wish I could have saved her.
As for the Quran being perfect I would regard that statement as a joke if it were not a tragedy. As I just said I am not a Christian, if I must be labelled I am a spiritualist. |
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13th October 2017, 12:58 AM | #82 |
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I wouldn't say Islam is any more inherently evil than Christianity.
'Spiritualists' are equally misguided, there is no more evidence for 'spirits' than there is for any of the so called gods. |
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I have not written a lengthy piece on Islam for a while, but I might write one comparing Jesus teachings with Muhammad's. To do the job properly will require bible quotes and Quran quotes, but I will tell you my conclusions now.
Apart from the much quoted verse where Jesus says he came to bring a sword not peace, the rest of Jesus teachings are largely benign. He teaches love and forgiveness. But Muhammad's teachings are a totally transparent attempt to scare silly Arabs into fighting his wars for him. He even incites them to die for him. |
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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13th October 2017, 06:58 AM | #84 |
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13th October 2017, 10:35 AM | #88 |
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I have made a start at gathering quotes to support my view that Islam is evil but Christianity is not. I could gather more quotes all day but here are some to be going on with.
Here are some quotes from Muhammad in the Quran. As can be seen they are full of violence and fighting. 5.33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; 8.12 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." 9.5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); 33.61 They shall have a curse on them: whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy). 47.4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): Contrast the above with the teachings of Jesus, below. Matthew chapter 5 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; |
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No there ain't. The verses I have quoted are typical of the difference between the warmongering trash of Muhammad and the merciful teachings of Jesus.
There is only one verse you can use against Jesus, and that is where he says he came to bring a sword, not peace. But that is such a contradiction to the rest of his teachings, I suspect he never even said it. |
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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13th October 2017, 11:09 AM | #91 |
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You ignore the Old Testament?
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What has the old testament got to do with Christianity?
Jesus reformed the teachings of the old testament, like and eye for an eye, and taught forgiveness. Matthew 5 38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. |
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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Scorpion:
Earlier in Mat 5 we find: Mat_5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. |
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You're nothing but a liar and insidious missionary, Scorpion.
Even if you play such games, it shows once again that you are not on the divine path. Peace |
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Lol. your sky daddy is better than his sky daddy. Why don't you have your gods meet in the car park after school and they can punch it out?
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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It is not difficult to find gospels’ passages that say one thing and its contrary: To preserve and abolish the Law; to love and to hate enemies, etc. This is the effect of a composition made by many hands and retouches in the background of the evolution of the Christian communities. Consistence is not the main Christian virtue.
I think there is an important difference between Christianity and Islam in the present issue: Islam was preached by Muhammad in the context of a true fight against actual enemies. Despite some valuable precepts as “there is no compulsion in religion”, the Koran is a warring book. In addition, medieval. Therefore, it is full of brutality. On the contrary, the gospels are apocalyptic literature. That is to say, Jesus —evangelical Jesus— thought that he was on the earth to predict his imminent comeback accompanied by celestial cohorts. Jesus preached the same brutality as Muhammad —or worse— but not present, but in the end of the times. En attendant, true believers —in any of the diverse Christian versions— have dedicated themselves to some previews of the Apocalypse. Their means were more rudimentary that the final holocaus t —nothing of fire rains or universal floods—, but they did what they could wthin their capacities. Therefore, it is difficult to say if Islam is worse than Christianity or vice versa. Islam has taken advantage now —with the permission of Catholic Croats and Orthodox Serbians—, but the things can change in different circumstances. |
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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There is no evidence outside the Bible itself that Jesus actually existed.
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There are the following references. There is also the matter of the well documented persecution of Christians by Nero in a time which was within living memory of Jesus lifetime. The fact that Christians were ready to die rather than recant suggests Jesus was real.
From the annals of the Roman historian Tacitus. Annal 15:44 15.44.2. But, despite kindly influence, despite the leader's generous handouts, despite appeasing the gods, the scandal did not subside, rather the blaze came to be believed to be an official act. So, in order to quash the rumour, Nero blamed it on, and applied the cruellest punishments to, those sinners, whom ordinary people call Christians, hating them for their shameful behaviour. 15.44.3. The originator of this name, Christ, was sentenced to torture by Procurator Pontius Pilate, during the reign of Tiberius, but although checked for a moment, the deadly cult erupted again, not just in Judaea, the source of its evil, but even in Rome, where all the sins and scandals of the world gather and are glorified. Pliny the Younger Pliny was the governor of the Roman province of Bithynia, in present-day Turkey. In about 112 AD, he wrote (in Epistles X.96) to the emperor Trajan, asking for advice on how to deal with the Christians in his province, because he was executing so many of them. Pliny wrote: 'They were in the habit of meeting before dawn on a fixed day. They would recite in alternate verse a hymn to Christ as to a God, and would bind themselves by a solemn oath, not to do any criminal act, but rather that they would not commit any fraud, theft or adultery, nor betray any trust nor refuse to restore a deposit on demand. This done, they would disperse, and then they would meet again later to eat together (but the food was quite ordinary and harmless.) The following is the text from the works of Josephus that describes Jesus and mentions the crucifixion. It is considered to be a falsification inserted by the early Christians. Obviously a hand written text could be fixed by scribes at any time in the approximately 1500 years the manuscript existed before printing was invented. But that is no reason not to give it consideration. The following text is from Flavius Josephus (c37-100AD) The Antiquities of the Jews. Book 18.3.3 Now there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works,- a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principle men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again on the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day. |
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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14th October 2017, 08:50 AM | #114 |
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There are religious idiots of many faiths. And Muhammad flew to the heavens on winged horses and the moon is made of cheese. At what point do religious people start using their brains? Muhammad was a pedophile who killed countless people. You have to be a moron to believe in this nonsense. Perhaps this is why the Arabs have invented almost nothing. T
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Try reading a science book. You'll be better off.
Here are some recommendations Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica Isaac Newton 1687 The Origin of the Species Charles Darwinian 1859. I realize you're stuck in the 7th century. These will get you closer to modernity. More contemporary A Brief History of Time Stephen Hawking 2001 The Universe in a Nutshell Stephen Hawking 2010 The Demon Haunted World; Science, a Candle in the Dark Carl Sagan 1997 The Greatest Show on Earth: The evidence for Evolution. Richard Dawkins 2010 Time to get your head out of The Dark Ages |
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The incident of the woman taken in adultery (why not one word about the man involved?) is not found in any manuscript for many generations after the fact. It's not original to the context. Other examples of "telling" phrases & incidents which do not appear in the earliest known manuscripts abound.
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You missed off the end of the verse which makes clear he was referring to his disciples.
Luke 14 26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple |
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