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20th October 2017, 06:38 PM | #201 |
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"Reward" a subjective human abstraction without referent in reality.
"Good" a subjective human abstraction without referent in reality. "Allah" a subjective human fiction without referent in reality. "Evil" a subjective human abstraction without referent in reality. "Mercy" a subjective human abstraction without referent in reality. "Goodness" a subjective human abstraction without referent in reality. "Perfection" a subjective human abstraction without referent in reality. "Hell" a subjective human abstraction without referent in reality. "Paradise" a subjective human abstraction without referent in reality. |
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Wrong again.
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21st October 2017, 10:45 AM | #204 |
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emre, the Quran definitely says hell is forever, here is another verse
5.36. As to those who reject Faith,- if they had everything on earth, and twice repeated, to give as ransom for the penalty of the Day of Judgment, it would never be accepted of them, theirs would be a grievous penalty. 5.37. Their wish will be to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out therefrom: their penalty will be one that endures |
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Emre, you are talking to skeptics here, skeptics that would like to hear an argument, not just quoting parts of your book and statements of faith by you. We would like to have answers to questions asked also. Is Allah the same god the Jews and Christians worship, is he the God of Abraham? |
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21st October 2017, 01:21 PM | #208 |
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You must read the verse in full unto the Qur'an.
http://19.org/blog/hell/ And writes, in Paradise that there will be no more deaths than death in the world. But there is no such statement for hell. In addition, other expressions suggest that one day, hell may disappear. Then the people and the demons in hell will also disappear. But I said "can be" for this comment. I said "can be". The verses in the Qur'an are suggesting this. Read all the verses, not the verse that comes to your work. |
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Allah always sends us the religion of Islam.
But people have always changed their religion, books in the past. They even changed the names of their religions. Like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism. There is only one God and always sends the same religion. Abraham, Jesus, Muhammad are all true Prophet of Islam. Allah (God) says: "Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah.s (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah" (Al-i Imran 67.) So the God who sent the Torah, Bible to the Qur'an is the same, and the only one. But if you adore the trinity, for example, this is something you make up. Now the only true holy book in your hand is the Quran. |
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OK, we may be getting somewhere now. So Allah was the God of Abraham also. Can we assume then that all those who paid homage to this God, up until the time of Muhammad, were on the right track? Can we assume that all those who believed in the teachings of and followed Jesus, were on the right track, until Muhammad made his appearance? Did they find salvation? |
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No. I'm not going to read to ass wipe that is your book until you come up with proof that Momo talked to a god and his instructions are in the book. You can't use the book to prove that Momo talked to a god.
Absent that proof, nothing you believe matters. It's all just made up nonsense. It's just like the Bible, Book of Mormon, and every other holy book. It's not real. And for pushing it, you have blood on your hands up to your elbows. |
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Are you making stuff up? The Quran clearly states hell will be forever.
4.121 They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape. 4.168 Those who reject Faith and do wrong,- God will not forgive them nor guide them to any way- 4.169 Except the way of Hell, to dwell therein for ever. And this to God is easy. 9.68 God hath promised the Hypocrites men and women, and the rejecters, of Faith, the fire of Hell: Therein shall they dwell: Sufficient is it for them: for them is the curse of God, and an enduring punishment, 32.14 "Taste ye then - for ye forgot the Meeting of this Day of yours, and We too will forget you - taste ye the Penalty of Eternity for your (evil) deeds!" 41.28 Such is the requital of the enemies of God,- the Fire: therein will be for them the Eternal Home: a (fit) requital, for that they were wont to reject Our Sings. 72.23 "Unless I proclaim what I receive from God and His Messages: for any that disobey God and His Apostle,- for them is Hell: they shall dwell therein for ever. |
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If they don't to attribute a partner to (God), and if they are good people.
"Lo! those who believe and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve." (Bakara 62) |
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God gives truthful truths and goodness.
Gives the objective. People can turn towards the truth through the inside body verses(spirit) and the mind. No one will do wrong or bad things in the paradise because people will be more supportive in the paradise with the verses(spirit). |
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I have read all the stinking evil Quran three times since 9/11/01 because I wanted to know what would make people commit suicide in order to commit mass murder. I found the answers plain to see in the Quran.
A book based on the teachings of a cut throat Arab bandit who obviously tried to scare people into fighting for him by pretending to get a message from God. The word hell appears over 100 times in the Quran, largely in the context of unbelievers in Muhammad being sent there to burn for eternity. The Quran is repetitive, and mostly plagiarism from the bible. |
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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You continually circle back to trying to support your assertions with unproven and unprovable assumptions. As others have pointed out (frequently) you cannot use the Qur'an as proof of the Qur'an's veracity. Too many have shown too many times the Qur'an has no more veracity than any other "holy" manuscript - to wit: none whatsoever.
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22nd October 2017, 03:25 PM | #227 |
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This reminds me a bit of the song that we use to sing in Bible school as a child.
'Yes Jesus loves me for the Bible tells me so Jesus loves me this I know For the Bible tells me so' Not exactly the same thing going but close. The Bible being the ultimate authority of truth. Emre does this with Quran. Everything circles back to his book. |
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I just learned a new concept: the Bare Assertion Fallacy.
There is hardly anything more boring, droll and pointless than someone just spouting assertions based on scripture or revelation to an audience of those who do not share the same faith. Makes me wonder about the motivation. |
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No, I do not.
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OK if I understand you correctly now. Salvation was possible before Muhammad then. If that is so why did we need Muhammed? Further to this what about those that continued to worship Allah/God directly like the Jews and via Jesus after Muhammed. They were getting salvation that way before so why not after? Considering many would not have even heard of Muhammed. This is one of the thorny questions that is bothersome to Christianity. Do you have an answer for it in Islam? |
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Have you actually read the quotes of hell in the Quran ?
Pouring boiling liquids on people that will melt their skins and their insides also. Making garments of fire, etc. And this for all eternity. Then you talk about Allah's mercy, goodness and perfection. Are you sure you have the right God? |
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If spiritualism is true then Islam is not. For example spiritualism teaches there will be no hellfire and there is no devil. There is no eternal hell, all souls are ultimately redeemed and made perfect.
Besides it ought to be obvious to a brain dead mule that Muhammad made up the Quran to suit his own evil ends. |
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Aye, and this mule goes one ism further.
Are you so dim that you can't see how you hug what you reject? Here's an idea: entertain the sober thought that spiritualism is just as ersatz as Islam. Where does this lead? If you reject the thought, then you must do so with integrity. This would mean you have to allow Islam; the Quran; all of it. You are on a boat with a spear, poking holes in boats alongside. First, you need to realize that you're on a boat. Your integrity right now is zero because you speak with a forked tongue. |
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1- People changed religion. Even his books and names. Most Christians have even begun to worship the trinity, and this is paganism.
So it's not about before or after Muhammad. The issue here is to get away from Islam. True religion and truth only in Qur'an now. I said "If they don't to attribute a partner to (God), and if they are good people." they will salvation. But Many Christians worship the trinity. Many Christians and Jewish rabbis see priests and saints as religious authorities. This is a company.They attribute partners to (God), this is paganism. God is the only authority in the field of religion. Real Islam is only in Quran. 2- When a person reads the Qur'an, he should be respect even if he is not a Muslim. Who follow these details will always reach salvation in the Hereafter. |
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