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23rd October 2017, 02:08 PM | #241 |
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Sorry but you are not answering my questions here. I want you to think about this and not just make statements of faith. Was there no truth before the Koran? Did not people find salvation before the Koran? What about those who had/have not heard of the Koran. Are they condemned because of their lack of knowledge? The Koran recognises Jesus as a prophet before Muhammad. Is what he said not true or did it cease to be true just as Muhammad came on the scene? |
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You seem to be alone in that assessment. As I explained to you before we are mostly skeptics here, and as skeptics we respond best to rational argument, and evidence based statements. Repetitious statements of faith don't cut it for us. When on the outside of a religion and looking in certain anomalies become glaringly apparent to the non believer. When you are inside the religion, (in the bubble we sometimes say), for some reason these anomalies do not come to your attention. Something I find intriguing is the reverence Muslims have for Muhammad. When Muslims pray they face Mecca because this is the burial site of Muhammad, correct? Why is this so when you are praying to Allah - is he not everywhere? |
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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24th October 2017, 10:46 AM | #253 |
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I cannot believe that there is any being in this universe who has created a human soul for eternal pain. I would rather that every god would destroy himself; I would rather that we all should go to eternal chaos, to black and starless night, than that just one soul should suffer eternal agony.
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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Imams are a bunch of liars. First they say you need them to interpret the Quran, then they make up complete lies to justify the rubbish in it. The
classic example is they say when the Quran says the sun has an orbit, this is a great revelation because it means Muhammad knew the sun had an obit in the galaxy. But the truth is the Quran really means the sun obits the earth. Thereby proving it is not a message from God. |
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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19.Have ye seen Lat. and ´Uzza 20.And another, the third , Manat? 21.Are yours the males and His the females? 22.Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair! 23.These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord! ..... The Quran says Lat, Uzza and Menat are fake gods that people make up. Just like saying the trinity is a fake. |
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No, in the time of the Prophet Muhammad it was also the qible Kabe.
Bakara 144. "We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad). And now verily We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee. So turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces when ye pray) toward it. Lo! those who have received the Scripture know that (this Revelation) is the Truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do." The last prophet's grave is kept secret. It is unknown where it is. Thus, people are prevented from sanctifying the place. |
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Seriously Emre,
Why should we care about Muhammad or the Quran anymore than Gandalf and The Lord of the Rings? You don't have a shred of evidence that any of it is true. Why do you care what is in a dusty old book? Why should we care when you can't prove it is true anymore than any other religions can prove their God or gods are true? Don't you see that the only thing that sets this apart for you is that you were raised to believe it? If you can't see it, taste it, feel it or detect it with any instrument, how is it different than an illusion? |
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Oh my mistake as I read now Mecca (qible Kabe?) was the place Muhammed was born not died. Also:
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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26th October 2017, 02:31 PM | #269 |
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The 360 figure is close to 365 or 365 & 1/4 so I wonder if this is a coincidence. Maybe some divine revelation telling us how many days are in the year? Not very accurate of course but we get to expect that from divine sources. Can't make it too easy to believe in the existence of gods can we. |
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I have said that Islam has existed since the first people.
Abraham, Noah, Jesus, Muhammad are all prophets of Islam. There is only one holy religion. As people changed religion and the book, the prophet and the book were sent again from God. The Kaaba is also the first Islamic temple in history. Quran 3:96. "Lo! the first Sanctuary appointed for mankind was that at Mecca, a blessed place, a guidance to the peoples;" After, People degenerated and changed the Kabe and prayer. Through the Prophet Muhammad, the Qur'an came and Islam was once again transformed into its original form. The Kaaba is purified from idols. In short, as people and other beings changed their path of salvation, Islam came again. |
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Again the cart before the horse*. And please, no more strained metaphors. You have little or no competence with declarative sentences, rational thinking or an unblinkered world view. Gibberish repeated - readily disproven gibberish - remains gibberish.**
*Not to mention several and varied logical fallacies and fanciful historical impossibilities. **Now, if it turns out you've found some new and wondrously influential psychotropic drugs we might invite you to the party - be sure to bring your own hookah. |
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I keep telling ya that the Quran is all stolen from the bible. No wait it, was also stolen from a book of fables.
You have yet to explain, as has every other Muslim I have asked, how the story of Jesus bringing a clay bird to life got into the Quran. See the Quran verses 3.49 and 5.110 |
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38- And the Sun moves on to its destination. That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower. (36- Ya-Seen, 38) http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...o-moves-along/ |
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