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Because Jesus really did it.
You Christians, you believe in what the Council says to you. They told you it was a bedtime story. But the fact is real. You are deceived and misled. And I told you that I answered you. But as in other issues, you come from ignoring the answers. |
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Which council? There have been many over the centuries.
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27th October 2017, 09:07 AM | #284 |
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The following translations of the Quran, 36.38 all say the sun runs on to a resting place.
Pickthall- And the sun runs on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the mighty and, the wise. Arberry -And the sun -- it runs to a fixed resting-place; that is the ordaining of the All-mighty, the All-knowing. zoom Edward Henry Palmer- and the sun runs on to a place of rest for it; that is the ordinance of the mighty, the wise. zoom George Sale- And the sun hasteneth to his place of rest. This is the disposition of the mighty, the wise God. zoom John Medows Rodwell - And the Sun hasteneth to her place of rest. This, the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knowing! zoom N J Dawood (2014) - And the sun hastens to its own resting-place: its course is laid by the Almighty, the All-knowing |
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27th October 2017, 09:14 AM | #285 |
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You are bloody kidding. You really think Jesus brought a clay bird to life as a boy? The facts are plain, the story comes from a book of fables.
Here is a piece I wrote on it. The story in the quran concerning Jesus childhood, about an incident where he makes a clay bird and brings it to life is not a part of the Christian bible, and the original texts are considered apocryphal. They are regarded by Christian scholars as having been written in around 150AD, as propaganda by the early Christians, attempting to fill in the missing years of Jesus life.So what are these stories doing in the quran claiming to be a message from God? The following are two verses in the quran that contain the references. From the Yusuf Ali translation. 003.049 "And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by God's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe; 005.110 Then will God say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold ! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.' As can be seen the quran speaks of only one bird, and says Jesus breathed life into it. But the only historical text that contains such a story speaks of 12 birds, and they were brought to life by Jesus commanding them to "Go". Therefore the quran does not even get the details of the original fictional document correct. Added to this the New Testament states that Jesus did his first miracle at a time he was around thirty years old. (John 2.11) Here is the relevant text, translated from Greek and written in, The Apocryphal New Testament, by M.R.James, published by Oxford:Clarendon press, 1924. The stories of Thomas the Israelite, (not St Thomas of the bible) the philosopher, concerning the works of the childhood of the Lord. 1. I, Thomas the Israelite, tell you, and all the brethren that are Gentile, the works of the childhood of our Lord Jesus Christ and his mighty deeds, and all that he did when he was born in our land. 2.1 This little child Jesus when he was five years old was playing at the ford of a brook: and he gathered together the water that flowed there into pools, and made them clean, and commanded them by his word alone. 2.2 Having made soft clay, he fashioned twelve sparrows. It was the Sabbath when he did these things. And there were also many other little children playing with him. 2.3. A certain Jew when he saw what Jesus did, playing upon the Sabbath day, departed and told his father Joseph: your child is at the brook, and he has taken clay and fashioned twelve little birds, and has polluted the Sabbath day. 2.4. Joseph came to the place and saw: and cried out to him, saying: Why do you do these things on the Sabbath, which it is not lawful to do? But Jesus clapped his hands together and cried out to the sparrows and said to them: Go! and the sparrows took their flight and went away chirping. 2.5 when the Jews saw it they were amazed, and departed and told their chief men that which they had seen Jesus do. There is a reference to this story, and the flaws in it in the book. The original sources of the quran. by William St Clair Tisdall. This book is in the public domain and can be found on the Internet. |
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27th October 2017, 09:23 AM | #286 |
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Muslim Imams conspire to deceive the population with carefully crafted lies, that attempt to give deeper meaning to the Quranic verses.So when the quran says, at sura 21.33 and 36.40 and 36.38 that the sun has an orbit, Imams falsely claim this is a great revelation, because Muhammad knew the sun had an orbit in the galaxy. But this is utter lies, and the quran is actually saying the sun orbits the earth, and I can prove it with the following hadith.
Hadith Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421: Narrated Abu Dhar: The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing." (36.38) As can be seen it says that if the sun changed direction it would rise in the west. But if the sun changed direction in its orbit in the galaxy it would make no difference to the sun rising in the east, because it is the rotation of the earth that causes the appearance of the sun in the east. So this proves that the claim the quran says the sun has an orbit in the galaxy is wrong. |
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Hey Emre, here is another story stolen from the same book of fables, (The infancy gospels) that got into the Quran. Jesus is supposed to have spoken from the cradle.
Surah 3.46 He shall preach to men in his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Surah 19:28-34: "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle? He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest. Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt. |
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27th October 2017, 11:51 AM | #289 |
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You missionaries can not do anything but refuge in translation mistakes The true translation is: 38- And the Sun moves on to its destination. That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower. (36- Ya-Seen, 38) Contrary to the assertion that the sun traced a vicious circle about the earth or that it was stationary, the 38th verse of the sura “Ya-Seen” stated correctly that it moved on to its destination. As in other subjects, in this one also the Quran is the source that gave a correct account of the sun’s motion http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...o-moves-along/ |
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Funny they all made the same mistake. Here is a link to forty translations
some of which are by Muslim scholars. http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/36/38/default.htm |
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27th October 2017, 12:10 PM | #292 |
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The Qur'an tells the truth of the incident.
As I said, You Christians, you believe in what the Council says to you. They told you it was a bedtime story. But the fact is real. You are deceived and misled. Real events have been turned into fairy tales. Tales are brought to reality. The truth lies in your sources mixed in. In reality, Trinity is lie, tale. Jesus brought a clay bird to life is real. |
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You utter clown. I have given the references for the origin of this story.
It says Jesus made 12 clay birds and shouted at them to go. But the Quran says he made 1 bird and breathed life into it. Muhammad not only stole the story from a known book of fables, he even got the details of the story wrong. |
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I can see why you have to deny the hadiths, because they would make you have to face the fact they condemn Muhammad's behaviour. But many Muslim scholars think the hadiths Bukhari and Muslim are authentic.
Who are you to write them off? I might think you are a submitter who follows the Rashad Khalifa Quran. They reject the hadiths too. I had lengthy arguments with one on the BBC forum years ago before it closed. |
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You should really try reading something other than the Quran. The infancy gospels are a well known book of fables and Muhammad stole from them.
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Oh Yea ! The Quran is the absolute words of God. Then it says an ant spoke and Solomon overheard it. Then he talked to a hoopoe bird.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe your position is that if the Quran says an ant talked it must be true? Quran 27.18 to 27.22 27.018 At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it." 027.019 So he smiled, amused at her speech; and he said: "O my Lord! so order me that I may be grateful for Thy favours, which thou hast bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I may work the righteousness that will please Thee: And admit me, by Thy Grace, to the ranks of Thy righteous Servants." 27.20 And he took a muster of the Birds; and he said: "Why is it I see not the Hoopoe? Or is he among the absentees? 27.21 "I will certainly punish him with a severe penalty, or execute him, unless he bring me a clear reason (for absence)." 27.22 But the Hoopoe tarried not far: he (came up and) said: "I have compassed (territory) which thou hast not compassed, and I have come to thee from Saba with tidings true. |
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And where exactly is "Solar Apeks"?
What decision? Yay. Now we have a claim of an origami sun. How nice. Maybe the sun will vanish up allah's butt. Basically, you have nothing beyond wild speculation. |
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You do know the rediculous part is not that ants communicate with each other via vibrations, but that Mohammed claimed to understand and have a conversation with them?
You also know that pretty much all cultures have stories about people that could talk with and understand pretty much any animal with or without divine intervention? If I said I won a dance battle against bees to save the local disco-arcade from being turned into a giant nursery chamber would you believe that? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk |
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If we could talk to the animals, learn their languages
Maybe take an animal degree We'd study elephant and eagle, buffalo and beagle Alligator, guinea pig, and flea |
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