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28th October 2017, 04:11 AM | #321 |
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If we could talk to the animals
they'd say get off our planet let us live another day |
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I was trying to get an answer from Emre some time ago about the praying when facing Mecca thing and din't get an answer.
Do you think praying in the direction of Mecca is the right thing to do Emre? |
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And my challenge remains. I will accept god, allah, vishnu, odin, thor whatever right when some crank turns up with actual testable evidence for the existence of any of them. Thousands of years and frak all to date.
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Maybe the sun is one of those paper fortune tellers.
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29th October 2017, 05:49 PM | #330 |
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People tend to head for the sky, for the stars, or for something else.
Giving a direction prevents it. it will reveal your side. It also prevents confusion in the prayers performed in the collective. Apart from that, visit to the pilgrimage is also requested here. There is also a physical healing structure. 2:177 Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but piety is one who acknowledges God and the Last day, and the controllers, and the book, and the prophets, and he gives money out of love to the near relatives, and the orphans, and the needy and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves, and he observes the Contact prayer, and contributes towards betterment; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of good and bad and during persecution. These are the ones who have been truthful, and they are the righteous |
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2:125 We have made the sanctuary to be a model for the people and a security. Utilize the place of Abraham to reach out. We had entrusted to Abraham and Ishmael, "You shall purify My sanctuary for those who visit, those who are devoted, and for those who kneel and prostrate."
22:26 We have appointed to Abraham the location of the sanctuary: "Do not set up anyone with Me, and purify My sanctuary for those who will partake, and those who will enforce, and those who kneel and prostrate." |
30th October 2017, 02:26 PM | #333 |
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Emre,
There are forums where your repetitions of nonsense would be welcome. In this setting, repeating patent nonsense - indeed repetitions of repetitions - remains nonsense. You are convincing no one but yourself. The common term for that is "delusion." |
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OK, so I take it from this you are on board with the idea that you should pray facing Mecca. I have another question for you then. In French Polynesia, in the Southern Pacific, is a location that is diametrically opposite Mecca on our planet. All directions are equidistant to Mecca if you follow the curvature of the Earth. Should you then pray horizontally in any direction? Or should you pray downwards as this is the most direct route? |
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So God is in Mecca?
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A frequent muslimist yell, excuse me, exhortation is "Face east! Face toward Mecca!"
The first question that occurs to an infidel is, "What if you're east of Mecca?" And some moslemoids will yell back, "Face east around the world until your prayers get to Mecca!" Yes they do. But religionists are constantly concerned with Great Matters of that sort. |
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31st October 2017, 05:34 PM | #341 |
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No answer to he question of Gods location? Is he in mecca?
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47- With power did We construct heaven. Verily, We are expanding it. (51- The Dispersing, 47) 21:30 Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the Earth were meshed together then We ripped them apart? And then We made of water everything living? Would they still not believe? Big Crunch 21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this. |
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1. No, that is not a good description of the Big Bang. I certainly would not read it and think "that could be referring to the Big Bang"
2. I know religious people used to believe that heaven was in the sky, but now we know what's really up there I thought they'd decided it was somewhere else entirely? 3. It's been 20 years since it was discovered that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, not decelerating as previously expected. The Big Crunch is no longer considered a likely possible ending for the universe. |
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1- I just gave you an example. There are many more verses related to Big bang and expansion.
2- No, heaven is not paradise. Heaven =universe Heavens = universes https://www.hipforums.com/forum/topi...lord-indallah/ The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model. But it is not infinite. Seven universes, for example. My Turkish writing about this subject: http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...revrenler.html 3- The world of science again concentrated on Big Crunch todays. |
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Unless at least one of them is a much better description of the Big Bang, the number of such references is irrelevant.
My memory from my reading of the Quran a few years ago is that it's essentially a few pages of ranting and unsupported assertions repeated over and over and over again.
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1- Every sentence is very clear. And when the book is read as a whole, the picture is much more beautiful. Not just our universe, but all the universes were created with big bang.
2- No, it always meant the universe. But until now you have misinterpreted with the influence of books such as the incomplete and false Bible and Torah, and the influence of the clergy. According to the Qur'an, there are more than one universe. And some of these universes also contain the hereafter, the paradise and the hell. Especially the Hereafter universe has different physics laws. God is not in any universe. He made all the universes out there. That is why all created creatures are separate from Allah. Nothing is part of Him. Heavens = Universes 3- Today, the science world thinks more, that the day of Judgment will come with big crunch. Not only our universe, but other universes will also end with big crunch, according to Quran. Only the hereafter universe is immortal. |
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The big bang is that there was only hydrogen from the beginning. Stars formed out of the hydrogen and lived and died over billions of years. all heavy atoms that created the earth were ejected into space when those stars died.
So the heavens and earth were never joined. The earth was only created billions of years after the big bang. Also the bit about every living thing being made from water is stolen from the bible's Genesis. |
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I believe the current theory is the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate and the consequences will be that the stars will all burn out and there will be nothing left but a black empty lifeless universe.
The idea of a big crunch is probably stolen from Hindu texts. |
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I found it a very ugly book. Lots of unpleasant ranting.
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...revrenler.html
Translate my article. In the Qur'an, the skies, heavens, spaces means universes. I told with proofs. They have different laws of physics. Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch. |
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Bible and Hindu texts also have many flaws in this regard.
But the Koran always gives the right information in a perfect way |
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Then why do you have to change the words to get it to say what you want?
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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Just the opposite.
Your fake Bibles And Torah are stolen from the Holy Book. The Qur'an is original and contains the words of Allah. The only real holy book of ours now is the Qur'an. The Qur'an describes the true state of events. For example, the Noah Flood was regional. And He punished a single nation. My Turkish writing about this subject: http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...k-topluma.html 54.1 does not say that the moon is cut in half. 54:1 The moment drew near, and the moon was split. |
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