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Old 12th February 2019, 08:09 PM   #921
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Deepak Chopra was never a Christian or a Hindu.

He is a Sufi.
Nobody said he was Christian or Hindu. He himself says he is Muslim. Are you actually reading what people write??
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Old 13th February 2019, 03:04 AM   #922
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Nobody said he was Christian or Hindu. He himself says he is Muslim. Are you actually reading what people write??


No. No, she / he is not.
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Old 13th February 2019, 08:33 AM   #923
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Bahaism is a pagan spiritualist teaching. Like new ageism...
So does that mean some of your Quran 'Energy Vampires' and/or some sort of Quran 'Divine Sinkhole' is going to destroy Bahaism?
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Old 13th February 2019, 02:56 PM   #924
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Ah yes, Deepak Chopra, what an inspiration to us all. I bet the Muslims have no one to match this guy.
Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post

How is this link to a boring video in any way a comment about Deepak?

Amazing how a speaker like the one in the video can drag out his story for soooooo long. Holy crap! We get told about him being raised by his Grandfather, and living only a couple of doors down from the Church, and he just goes on and on.
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Old 17th February 2019, 02:49 PM   #925
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"The question still remains, why are more women converting than men to Islam ?
Perhaps they realize their Soul is worth the Factual Research.

1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original
Sinners, (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden
tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}. The Koran Clarifies it
was Adam Not Eve {Qur'an 7:19-25}

Edited by Agatha:  Edited for rule 4. For the remaining points, please see the link below.


https://jews-for-allah.org/Why-Belie...g-to-Islam.htm

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Old 17th February 2019, 03:18 PM   #926
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
10. Islam has unconfined Women and has given them
the human right to reach for the sky. There have been
Muslim Women Presidents through out the centuries,
but to this date, the oppressive mentality of the
men in the Western U.S.A. has stopped any Women from becoming
Presidents in predominately Christian countries,
while the Muslim countries have voted for and
elected Female Presidents."

https://jews-for-allah.org/Why-Belie...g-to-Islam.htm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ment_and_State

1988 is the first date.
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Old 17th February 2019, 03:22 PM   #927
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
"The question still remains, why are more women converting than men to Islam ?
Perhaps they realize their Soul is worth the Factual Research.

1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original
Sinners, (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden
tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}. The Koran Clarifies it
was Adam Not Eve {Qur'an 7:19-25}
Same fairy-story, different protagonists. This is like asking who was better: Batman or Superman.

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2. The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a
loss" {Ecclesiasticus 22:3}. The Qur'an says both
are an Equal Blessing { Qur'an 42:49}
Both of them say a LOT worse about women than they do men.

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3. The Bible Forbids Women from Speaking in
church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}. The Qur'an says
Women Can argue with the Prophet {58:1}
As long as they don't mind their husbands beating them up. Have you seen Arabic society?

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4. In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as
an Adulteress, while men are not {Matthew 5:31-32}. The
Koran does Not have Biblical double standards
{ Qur'an 30:21}
Again, have you seen Arabic society? They KILL women on the SUSPICION of adultery.

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5. In The Bible, Widows and Sisters do Not
Inherit Any Property or Wealth, Only men
do{Numbers 27:1-11}The Koran Abolished this
male greediness { Qur'an 4:22} and God Protects All.
Do Arabic girls get equal treatment to Arabic boys? E.g. They have only just now been allowed drive a car. 2019!!! Drive a car! An yet they still get harassed if they go out without some "escort". 2019!!

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6. The Bible Allows Multiple Wives{I Kings 11:3}
In The Koran, God limits the number to 4 only
under certain situations (with the Wife's
permission)and Prefers you Marry Only One
Wife{ Qur'an 4:3} The Koran gives the Woman
the Right to Choose who to Marry.
Oh, well that's MUCH better! But let's forget the historical Turkish sultans with hareems of thousands of wives. Nothing to see there.

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7. "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not
pledged to be married and rapes her and they are
discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty
shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he
has violated her. He can never divorce her as long
as he lives" {Deuteronomy 22:28-30}
One must ask a simple question here, who is
really punished, the man who raped the woman or
the woman who was raped? According to the
Bible, you have to spend the Rest of Your Life
with the man who Raped You.
The Prophet Muhammad Says {Volume 9, Book
86, Number 101} Narrated by Aisha:" It is
essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the
marriage)".
Would the Christian men Reading this prefer the
Women they know to Be Christian or Muslim?
So it's better for a woman to be raped by a Muslim than a Christian? Because if it's a Christian they MUST get married? Perhaps you might provide any evidence of this "law" being followed, that this is actually happening.

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8. The Bible also asks Women to wear veils as in
Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}, this lowers the
chance of rape, (God Forbid), see statistic link
below.
Whereas in Muslim countries women are only forcd to wear the veil or else they will be punished by the Muslim Decency Police, and possibly beheaded. That's MUCH better.

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9. Women were given rights to Vote less than a
100 years ago in the (US), while the Quran (42:38) gave
Women Voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.
Do women have the right to vote in Saudi Arabia? If so, when did that happen?

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10. Islam has unconfined Women and has given them
the human right to reach for the sky. There have been
Muslim Women Presidents through out the centuries,
but to this date, the oppressive mentality of the
men in the Western U.S.A. has stopped any Women from becoming
Presidents in predominately Christian countries,
while the Muslim countries have voted for and
elected Female Presidents."
Here's a lits of modern leaders of countries who were women. How many were Muslim, and how many were Christian. Of the couple of hundred women, less than 5 were Muslim. The vast majority were Christian, or Hindu, or of no particular faith. Islam runs a very poor race in this regard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...and_government

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Ah yes. A bunch of religious lunatics with no attachment to reality. Why am I not surprised that's your source.
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Old 17th February 2019, 05:58 PM   #928
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He has been insulting his intelligence for 20 pages. He doesn't care, and most of the time doesn't even bother reading the well deserved derision of his ideas. What faith in supernatural can do to a person..
I clearly demonstrated the verses in his holy book which supports pedophilia many times. Didn't care about that either. I wonder..
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Old 19th February 2019, 05:51 PM   #929
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Errancy; Children are born pure, without sin XE "sin" (Leviticus 11:44, 19:2, 20:7) Vs Children are born wicked sinners (Psalms 58:3)

Excuse; That is what it says but that is not what it means. (Psalms 58:3) is speaking about the potential to commit sin XE "sin" , not being an actual sinner.

Rebuttal: (See Reply letter [E] in Rebuttal Chart). The language and context used is that of one who is a sinner, not of one who will be a sinner.

“The wicked are estranged from the womb” -not- “will be” (future tense), instead “are” (present tense)

“they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.”

not will go astray as adults.

Furthermore, Paul also adopts the absurdity that children are sinners by claiming;

“Wherefore, as by one man sin XE "sin" entered into the world, and death XE "death" by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned” (Romans 5:12)

Correction: The Quran corrects the fallacy that children are inherently evil or have contracted sin XE "sin" of previous generations;

“We have indeed created man in the best of moulds.” (Quran 95:4)

"Say, "Shall I seek other than God as a Lord when He is the Lord of everything?" Every person earns what is for it, and none will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you regarding your disputes " (Quran 6:164)

" If you reject, then know that God is in no need of you, and He dislikes rejection for His servants. If you are appreciative, He is pleased for you. None shall bear the burdens of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you of everything you had done. He is fully aware of what is inside the chests." (Quran 39:7)

https://quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:15 PM   #930
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Errancy; Children are born pure, without sin XE "sin" (Leviticus 11:44, 19:2, 20:7) Vs Children are born wicked sinners (Psalms 58:3)

Excuse; That is what it says but that is not what it means. (Psalms 58:3) is speaking about the potential to commit sin XE "sin" , not being an actual sinner.

Rebuttal: (See Reply letter [E] in Rebuttal Chart). The language and context used is that of one who is a sinner, not of one who will be a sinner.

“The wicked are estranged from the womb” -not- “will be” (future tense), instead “are” (present tense)

“they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.”

not will go astray as adults.

Furthermore, Paul also adopts the absurdity that children are sinners by claiming;

“Wherefore, as by one man sin XE "sin" entered into the world, and death XE "death" by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned” (Romans 5:12)

Correction: The Quran corrects the fallacy that children are inherently evil or have contracted sin XE "sin" of previous generations;

“We have indeed created man in the best of moulds.” (Quran 95:4)

"Say, "Shall I seek other than God as a Lord when He is the Lord of everything?" Every person earns what is for it, and none will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you regarding your disputes " (Quran 6:164)

" If you reject, then know that God is in no need of you, and He dislikes rejection for His servants. If you are appreciative, He is pleased for you. None shall bear the burdens of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you of everything you had done. He is fully aware of what is inside the chests." (Quran 39:7)

https://quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618
What ARE you smoking??
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Old 19th February 2019, 07:50 PM   #931
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Errancy; Children are born pure, without sin XE "sin" (Leviticus 11:44, 19:2, 20:7) Vs Children are born wicked sinners (Psalms 58:3)

Excuse; That is what it says but that is not what it means. (Psalms 58:3) is speaking about the potential to commit sin XE "sin" , not being an actual sinner.

Rebuttal: (See Reply letter [E] in Rebuttal Chart). The language and context used is that of one who is a sinner, not of one who will be a sinner.

“The wicked are estranged from the womb” -not- “will be” (future tense), instead “are” (present tense)

“they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.”

not will go astray as adults.

Furthermore, Paul also adopts the absurdity that children are sinners by claiming;

“Wherefore, as by one man sin XE "sin" entered into the world, and death XE "death" by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned” (Romans 5:12)

Correction: The Quran corrects the fallacy that children are inherently evil or have contracted sin XE "sin" of previous generations;

“We have indeed created man in the best of moulds.” (Quran 95:4)

"Say, "Shall I seek other than God as a Lord when He is the Lord of everything?" Every person earns what is for it, and none will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you regarding your disputes " (Quran 6:164)

" If you reject, then know that God is in no need of you, and He dislikes rejection for His servants. If you are appreciative, He is pleased for you. None shall bear the burdens of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you of everything you had done. He is fully aware of what is inside the chests." (Quran 39:7)

https://quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618

Sin XE? A new Windows upgrade, perhaps?
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Old 20th February 2019, 06:21 AM   #932
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Errancy; Children are born pure, without sin XE "sin" (Leviticus 11:44, 19:2, 20:7) Vs Children are born wicked sinners (Psalms 58:3)

Excuse; That is what it says but that is not what it means. (Psalms 58:3) is speaking about the potential to commit sin XE "sin" , not being an actual sinner.

Rebuttal: (See Reply letter [E] in Rebuttal Chart). The language and context used is that of one who is a sinner, not of one who will be a sinner.

“The wicked are estranged from the womb” -not- “will be” (future tense), instead “are” (present tense)

“they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.”

not will go astray as adults.

Furthermore, Paul also adopts the absurdity that children are sinners by claiming;

“Wherefore, as by one man sin XE "sin" entered into the world, and death XE "death" by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned” (Romans 5:12)

Correction: The Quran corrects the fallacy that children are inherently evil or have contracted sin XE "sin" of previous generations;

“We have indeed created man in the best of moulds.” (Quran 95:4)

"Say, "Shall I seek other than God as a Lord when He is the Lord of everything?" Every person earns what is for it, and none will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you regarding your disputes " (Quran 6:164)

" If you reject, then know that God is in no need of you, and He dislikes rejection for His servants. If you are appreciative, He is pleased for you. None shall bear the burdens of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you of everything you had done. He is fully aware of what is inside the chests." (Quran 39:7)

https://quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618
I think you need a good, stiff drink.

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16:67 And of the fruits of the date-palm, and grapes, whence ye derive strong drink and (also) good nourishment. Lo! therein is indeed a portent for people who have sense.
Just be sure to be sober by the time you pray:

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Old 20th February 2019, 06:23 AM   #933
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Fun fact: The Koran does not exclude the possibility that Jesus was the son of God.

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Allah does not approve of earning your red wings:

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What happened to Muslim female presidents? Are you like so many posters here, when presented with evidence contrary to their claims or someone points out holes in their arguments, that you quickly change topics?
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Sin XE? A new Windows upgrade, perhaps?
I think he means "e.g." but it's so incoherent it's impossible to tell.
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Furthermore, Paul also adopts the absurdity that children are sinners...
You are patently incompetent at reading and understanding scripture, even that of your own religion. The "errors" you purport to find and the "corrections" you propose are simply your own ignorant misunderstandings, mistranslations, and misinterpretations.

Now be a good boy and go read up on the Christian doctrine of original sin so that you can represent it accurately and correctly next time instead of embarrassing yourself with these infantile exegetics.
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"Errancy; Women are not property, except in the Bible (Exodus 21:7-11) A father can sell a daughter into slavery XE "slavery" to pay a debt. A daughter sold into slavery is not released at the end of six years as is an ordinary male slave.

Excuse; None available.

Correction: Fortunately, for all of us, God gave us our rights and freedom in the Quran over 1400 years ago. We do not have to be enslaved to the laws of the Bible:

God says: “O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women XE "women" against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.” (Quran 4:19)

Regarding a parent’s debt or poverty, we are commanded in the Quran not to slay children to alleviate poverty:

“Say: Come I will recite what your Lord has forbidden to you-(remember) that you do not associate anything with Him and show kindness to your parents, and do not slay your children for (fear XE "fear" of) poverty - We provide for you and for them” (Quran 6:151)"

https://quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618

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Women are not property, except in the Bible...
Thank you for reminding us what a shining example radical Islam gives for the proper way to treat women.

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Excuse; None available.
Just admit you don't have a clue what the Bible actually said there.
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"Errancy; Women are not property, except in the Bible
Are we talking about the same Koran? I don't think we are. You seem to know even less about the Koran than the average Christian knows of the Bible.

Let's start with the passage that says a woman is only worth half a man.

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2:282 And call two witness from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not at hand, then a man and two women
Raping married women you claim in conquest is just fine with the Koran.

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4:24 And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.
The Koran gets pretty weird in its rules for raping slave women or forcing them into marriage.

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4:25 And whoso is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. Allah knoweth best (concerning) your faith. Ye (proceed) one from another; so wed them by permission of their folk, and give unto them their portions in kindness, they being honest, not debauched nor of loose conduct. And if when they are honourably married they commit lewdness they shall incur the half of the punishment (prescribed) for free women (in that case). This is for him among you who feareth to commit sin. But to have patience would be better for you. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Even when women aren't outright owned in the Koran they're still forced into a subservient position:

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4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
Back to women being property, a man can rape any of his slave girls he wants according to the Koran.

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70:30 Save with their wives and those whom their right hands possess, for thus they are not blameworthy;
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Even when women aren't outright owned in the Koran they're still forced into a subservient position.
In marked contrast to the rules for Israelites set out in Ex. 21. Indenture, at the time, was a fact of life. It was based on the heretical notion that one's labor has economic value. One wasn't sold into slavery, but one could agree to enter indenture as a way of paying debts one could not otherwise afford. (I still accept certain forms of agreed-upon labor in lieu of rent for my tenants.) The notion that Ex. 21 describes some form of involuntary servitude or chattel slavery is bizarre.

The reason the rules differ between men and women is that indenture served a different purpose in each case. For men, the indenture was a form of debt payment. The term was limited in law to protect the servant from usurous exploitation of his labor. It was up to the servant to determine whether he wished to continue in that condition after the expiration of the agreed-upon term, not as a continuing obligation but rather as the perpetuation of a situation that he enjoyed.

For women, the indenture was intended as a prelude to marriage. The girl was expected eventually to marry into the receiving family, and the prenuptual indenture may have been a form of dowry in lieu of goods. This let poor families stand on equal ground in the community. The relevant prescriptions in Ex. 21 specify what happens if the prospective marriage doesn't work out. If the girl elects to stay on anyway, she must be treated as a daughter -- not as a servant. This status must be maintained even if the household takes on another indentured girl. She becomes a full-fledged member of the household. The indentured girl may not simply be disposed of as property, "sold to foreigners."

The reason Emre can find no "excuse" for this Torah passage is that he's gotten it almost completely wrong. The relevant passages of Ex. 21 specify the rules that protect the servant under the conditions of voluntary indenture. They are laid upon on the host, not allowances for the mistreatment of servants or for treating them like property. The gist of this passage is that they cannot be treated as property, even if the deal goes south.
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Old 21st February 2019, 10:59 AM   #942
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"Errancy; Women are not property, except in the Bible (Exodus 21:7-11) A father can sell a daughter into slavery XE "slavery" to pay a debt. A daughter sold into slavery is not released at the end of six years as is an ordinary male slave.

Excuse; None available.

Correction: Fortunately, for all of us, God gave us our rights and freedom in the Quran over 1400 years ago. We do not have to be enslaved to the laws of the Bible:

God says: “O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women XE "women" against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.” (Quran 4:19)

Regarding a parent’s debt or poverty, we are commanded in the Quran not to slay children to alleviate poverty:

“Say: Come I will recite what your Lord has forbidden to you-(remember) that you do not associate anything with Him and show kindness to your parents, and do not slay your children for (fear XE "fear" of) poverty - We provide for you and for them” (Quran 6:151)"

https://quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618
And;

As I wrote in my Turkish article, the Qur'an banned slavery.

You can't take a person's pen without permission also.

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Old 21st February 2019, 11:22 AM   #943
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
As I wrote in my Turkish article, the Qur'an banned slavery.
What is described in Ex. 21 is not slavery. It is indenture, an early form of employment. The errors in your interpretation were explained to you at length. You are obviously incapable of understanding them.
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Old 21st February 2019, 11:26 AM   #944
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
And;

As I wrote in my Turkish article, the Qur'an banned slavery.

You can't take a person's pen without permission also.

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/...kaldrmstr.html
Then your article in Turkish is a bald faced lie. I gave examples of the Koran describing rules for slavery, who could be enslaved, and who could rape their slaves as they wished.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 05:21 PM   #945
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Quran 95:4 We have created the human being in the best form.

Quran 4:118 God has cursed him; and he had said, "I will take from Your servants a sizeable portion."

Quran 4:119 "I will misguide them and make them desire, and I will command them, so that they will mark the ears of the livestock, and I will command them so they will make change to God's creation." Whoever takes the devil as a supporter other than God, then he has indeed lost a great loss.

Human circumcision is out of religious/Islam.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 06:31 PM   #946
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I fail to see how this displays the claimed superiority or correction. Christians don't circumcise as a rule; it tends to be more national and/or cultural these days. I don't agree with it, but there we are. The bris in Judaism is not to correct some supposed defect or imperfection in the human form, but to act as a visible, permanent sign of one's faith.

Your interpretation presumes the wrong motivation for ritual genital modification.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 07:16 PM   #947
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There's just something really wrong about any religion that would prevent a man from having a BLT and washing it down with a beer.
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Bacon cheeseburgers are yummy too.
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Old 23rd February 2019, 12:07 AM   #949
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Now now, Imre's version of Islam is so unique, for all we know it allows all foods and drinks.
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Old 23rd February 2019, 05:05 AM   #950
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The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Quran 95:4 We have created the human being in the best form.

And yet there are millions of Muslims who wear glasses. Weird.

I understand your act requires you to pretend to be clueless, but your circumcision post is just too absurd. It breaks believability. It completely ignores why Jews practice circumcision in favor of nonsense that at best appears made up by someone who had NO clue what they were talking about. It’s about as stupid an argument as claiming Muslims don’t eat pork because it tastes too much like the infidels they cook for Thursday dinner. It’s a nonsensical argument based on complete ignorance of the religion being discussed.

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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
Now now, Imre's version of Islam is so unique, for all we know it allows all foods and drinks.
According to the Qur'an, all food and drinks except pork and blood are halal:

http://quranic.org/eating-according-...ding-to-sects/

And:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610016.0
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According to the Qur'an, all food and drinks except pork and blood are halal:
You can't seem to tell when people are making fun of you.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
According to the Qur'an, all food and drinks except pork and blood are halal:

http://quranic.org/eating-according-...ding-to-sects/

And:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610016.0
See, I know some muslims, and they would disagree with you. Alcohol seems to be a thing, and meat needs to be prepared in a certain way.
So, if you are going to disagree with 99.9999999% of the muslims out there, why not just go for bacon and black pudding as well?
Being able to eat anything was at least part of the way christianity managed to attract more converts.

This of course does not even delve into WHY a god would make an animal as easily farmed as a pig and then forbid everyone from eating it.
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Errancy; In the Biblical version, almost all prophets seem to commit major sins in faith and moral standing. Within the Bible, some of the shameful deeds attributed to prophets include; Aaron XE "Aaron" ’s idol worship;

“Aaron XE "Aaron" said to people of Israel XE "Israel" , ‘take off the rings of Gold which are in the ears of your wives, your sons and your daughters.’ So they took off the rings of gold, and brought them to Aaron. And he received the golf at their hand and fashioned it with a graving tool and made a molten calf and they said, “These are your Gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt.” (Exodus. 32:2)

Excuse; None available.

Correction: The Biblical concept of prophet hood is also radically different from the one presented in the Quran. The Quran depicts prophets as the best model of piety and moral uprightness. The Quran refutes this claim against Aaron XE "Aaron" ;

“(Allah) said: ‘We have tested thy people in thy absence: the Samiri has led them astray.’ So Moses XE "Moses" returned to his people in a state of indignation and sorrow. He said: “O my people! did not your Lord make a handsome promise to you? Did then the promise seem to you long (in coming)? Or did ye desire that Wrath should descend from your Lord on you, and so ye broke your promise to me?”

“They said: ‘We broke not the promise to thee, as far as lay in our power: but we were made to carry the weight of the ornaments of the (whole) people, and we threw them (into the fire), and that was what the Samiri suggested.

“Then he brought out (of the fire) before the (people) the image of a calf: It seemed to low: so they said: This is your god, and the god of Moses XE "Moses" , but (Moses) has forgotten! Could they not see that it could not return them a word (for answer), and that it had no power either to harm them or to do them good?”

“Aaron XE "Aaron" had already, before this said to them: “O my people! ye are being tested in this: for verily your Lord is (Allah) Most Gracious; so follow me and obey my command. They had said: “We will not abandon this cult, but we will devote ourselves to it until Moses XE "Moses" returns to us. (Moses) said: “O Aaron! what kept thee back, when thou sawest them going wrong, from following me? Didst thou then disobey my order?”

“(Aaron XE "Aaron" ) replied: “O son of my mother! Seize (me) not by my beard nor by (the hair of) my head! Truly I feared lest thou shouldst say, ‘Thou has caused a division among the children of Israel XE "Israel" , and thou didst not respect my word!’” (Quran 20:85-94)

The Quran clears Aaron XE "Aaron" of participation in the making and worshipping of the golden calf as the Bible portrays. The Quran illuminates the fact that Aaron was simply not as strong as Moses XE "Moses" , being the weaker brother of Moses; Aaron could not control the Israelites as Moses could, despite pleas by Aaron for the Israelites to stop.

“Not a messenger did We send before thee without this inspiration sent by Us to him: that there is no god but I; therefore worship and serve Me. And they say: “(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten offspring.” Glory to Him! They are (but) servants raised to honor. They speak not before He speaks, and they act (in all things) by His Command.” (Quran 21:25-27)

https://quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618

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Excuse; None available.
No, once again you don't know how to read the Torah. And when you are corrected by your betters, you simply ignore them. You are not a great imam. You are not a great rabbi. You're just a fanatic with more zeal than wisdom. Your "corrections" all boil down to your ignorant misreading of the Torah following by an equally ignorant misreading of the Qur'an.

You will ignore this, just as you have ignored every other time I've corrected you.
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Errancy; Lot’s wife died a horrible death XE "death" with no valid explanation except that she turned around while the town was being destroyed. <snip>

https://quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618


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Errancy; Lot’s wife died a horrible death XE "death" with no valid explanation except that she turned around while the town was being destroyed. <snip>
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Excuse; Lot’s wife was destroyed because she disobeyed the angel who said;
No, that's not the reason. You suck at reading the Torah.

You will ignore this, because your arguments cannot endure even the slightest criticism.
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There's no one else named Joshua.

He was Jesus.

Jesus is the nephew of Moses and he has come to earth much earlier than you think.

The Yusha mentioned in the False Torah(hadith book) is actually Isa/Jesus.

I showed this in my Turkish article:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2018/...-ve-harun.html
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There's no one else named Joshua.
Yes there is. I've known plenty of people called Joshua.

Quote:
He was Jesus.

Jesus is the nephew of Moses and he has come to earth much earlier than you think.

The Yusha mentioned in the False Torah(hadith book) is actually Isa/Jesus.

I showed this in my Turkish article:
..........Clearly you have lost all grip on reality. This isn't what is written in any of the holy books about these characters, real or imaginary. I now feel like you are about to include Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings in this debacle of delusion you are calling scholarly research. So this is not even worth responding to any more with anything sensible.

Don't you have some washing-up to do instead of this? You are certainly wasting your time here.
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