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Old 12th February 2018, 11:04 AM   #1
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Now its aid charities, #MeToo

First, it was Harvey Weinstein and Hollywood and the flood gates opened revealing the level of sexual abuse. Then in the UK it was the House of Parliament. Now it is Oxfam, which broke over news about men sleeping with Haitian victims of the 2011 earthquake;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ed-prostitutes

Now there are allegations of widespread abuse of female staff and those who are the victims of the disasters;

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...llying-culture

"Thanks to brave whistleblowers and those who have confronted Oxfam, many of whom are women, the floodgates are now open. It will be impossible to hold back all the information emerging from other aid organisations on the opaque and damaging cultures that have allowed potential criminal activity, sexual exploitation, harassment and other abhorrent behaviour to thrive, and indeed be rewarded through the promotion of those accused of wrongdoing. We have seen at least one resignation – there may be more."
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Old 12th February 2018, 11:37 AM   #2
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Old 12th February 2018, 12:59 PM   #4
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I agree with this comparison;

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/0...-metoo-moment/

"For all the good it may do, aid work is the equivalent of a secular clergy; they have moral authority, a licence to pontificate, glamour back home and being secular, none of the inhibitions that even bad clergy have in their work and conduct. And their behaviour is proof – a bit like clerical sex abuse – of the truth of Lord Acton’s little dictum that ‘all power tends to corrupt’."

Those who do the aid work are in positions of great power and it appears there has been much misuse of that power. Bit like the RC church.
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It will be used by the anti foreign aid lobby as an excuse to cut govt foreign aid.
There are already some pundits and Tory MPs rumbling about it.
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At this point I think it's safe to say that this kind of abuse is happening in every social institution we have. The entertainment industry. The media. Political organizations. Non profits and charities.

It will be interesting to see, in coming decades, how these institutions fare when they are taken over by women. Will the abuses diminish? Or will they simply take a different form?
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Old 12th February 2018, 02:02 PM   #7
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I am surprised. I remember being told about aid agency work in Afghanistan and how female aid workers were under heavy protection. I thought it was a safe place for women to work as it would attract altruistic people to work there.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8205101.html

"More than 120 workers from a range of Britain’s leading charities have reportedly been accused of sexual abuse in the past year alone.
New figures collated by the charities revealed that Oxfam recorded 87 allegations of sexual misconduct between April 2016 and March 2017, of which 53 were referred to the police, Save the Children had 31, ten of which were referred to the police, and Christian Aid two."

My comparison with the RC church is wrong, at least the charities have not gone into complete denial and cover up.
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At this point I think it's safe to say that this kind of abuse is happening in every social institution we have. The entertainment industry. The media. Political organizations. Non profits and charities.
Agreed. Wherever there is a large power disparity between people who are in contact on a regular basis this will be an issue.

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It will be interesting to see, in coming decades, how these institutions fare when they are taken over by women. Will the abuses diminish? Or will they simply take a different form?
Assumes that there are no men who could lead such organizations, doesn't it? I know plenty of me who are not at all concerned that their name will be a headline and I like to think they outnumber the ones who are currently quite nervous. Yes, there may be more women at the top, but I hardly think it will swing from a boys club to a girls club. Maybe I'm just naive.
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At this point I think it's safe to say that this kind of abuse is happening in every social institution we have. The entertainment industry. The media. Political organizations. Non profits and charities.
It is, IMHO, blindingly obvious that such abuse happens everywhere - just as everywhere, there are murderers and thieves, how great your society may be.

The question is to what extent - organizations can do their best to put mechanisms and procedures in place to minimize it - and whether they actively cover it up.

In that respect, it's not as bad as the RCC, but I'm a bit shocked that only now allegations come out from seven years ago. I thought that Oxfam was an organization of high repute, and this also has repercussions world wide. Oxfam has affiliates in 17 countries, many of which were before independent aid charities themselves. The Haiti director responsible was a Belgian. In the Netherlands, it's reported that already hundreds of donors have cancelled their sponsorship of Oxfam Novib because of this.
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#metoo is a cudgel for some
#MeNeither is a comfy blankie in a rocking chair next to a warm fire on a wintery night to some
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Old 12th February 2018, 06:08 PM   #11
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I am surprised. I remember being told about aid agency work in Afghanistan and how female aid workers were under heavy protection. I thought it was a safe place for women to work as it would attract altruistic people to work there.
I used to think that too, up until just a few years ago when I read a report on how the Peace Corps is beset by rampant sexual abuse and assault within its ranks, owing largely to an unsympathetic leadership that until recently for instance required rape victims to write reports explaining what they did wrong to cause themselves to be raped and how they plan to change their behavior to prevent future occurrences, and had a habit of allowing accused rapists to resign with a "clean" record or even be hired with a completely clean file that didn't include any information about their previous work or complaints against them.
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Old 12th February 2018, 06:37 PM   #12
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I used to think that too, up until just a few years ago when I read a report on how the Peace Corps is beset by rampant sexual abuse and assault within its ranks, owing largely to an unsympathetic leadership that until recently for instance required rape victims to write reports explaining what they did wrong to cause themselves to be raped and how they plan to change their behavior to prevent future occurrences, and had a habit of allowing accused rapists to resign with a "clean" record or even be hired with a completely clean file that didn't include any information about their previous work or complaints against them.
All those *********** Peace Corps Conservatives, obviously.
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It's not really a political thing. A Peace Corps stint is useful on a CV no matter what your politics. Unfortunately, in much the same way that every youth organization is and will continue to be vulnerable to exploitation by pedophiles seeking access to potential victims, so too are groups like the Peace Corps vulnerable to sexual predators who can't resist the prospect of being given authority over a continuously replenished victim-pool in a remote place with poor communication and non-existent law enforcement.
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I used to think that too, up until just a few years ago when I read a report on how the Peace Corps is beset by rampant sexual abuse and assault within its ranks, owing largely to an unsympathetic leadership that until recently for instance required rape victims to write reports explaining what they did wrong to cause themselves to be raped and how they plan to change their behavior to prevent future occurrences, and had a habit of allowing accused rapists to resign with a "clean" record or even be hired with a completely clean file that didn't include any information about their previous work or complaints against them.
I almost cited that myself, but then didn't. However, since you mention it:

ABCNews Investigates Peace Corps Volunteers at Risk

One difference between the Oxfam issue and the PC issue is that much of the Oxfam misbehavior has been by its own career staff. Much of the problems with the PC resulted from PC volunteers being victimized by host country nationals (including some employed by the PC), and then getting a very poor response from the PC staff (PC has volunteers that are supervised and supported by paid administrative staff). Many of the paid staff are host country nationals.

In the most publicized example a volunteer was assaulted by a host country national who was employed by the PC, she reported it to the PC administration, one of whom was the brother of her attacker. The PC administrative staff member told his brother (the assailant) that she had reported the assault, so the assailant returned to her house and killed her.

The key difference is that the PC Volunteers were mostly the victims, while the Oxfam staff seem to be perpetrators. The paid PC staff were rarely the perpetrators of the attacks.

But overall there are still some key similarities. In both instances, once one victim (or the victim's family) came forward others followed. Both organizations showed a very poor response until harsh press coverage forced change.

theprestige: a couple of the PCV's I served with are anything but liberal. Most are, but one might be surprised at the diversity of opinions expressed by PCV's when they gather together.

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Agreed. Wherever there is a large power disparity between people who are in contact on a regular basis this will be an issue.



Assumes that there are no men who could lead such organizations, doesn't it? I know plenty of me who are not at all concerned that their name will be a headline and I like to think they outnumber the ones who are currently quite nervous. Yes, there may be more women at the top, but I hardly think it will swing from a boys club to a girls club. Maybe I'm just naive.
There also isn't good reason to suspect that abuse will change considerably if it were a girls club. People in power abuse others. People who know they can get away with it will be more likely to abuse. Women are more likely to be able to get away with sexual abuse in general.
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There also isn't good reason to suspect that abuse will change considerably if it were a girls club. People in power abuse others. People who know they can get away with it will be more likely to abuse. Women are more likely to be able to get away with sexual abuse in general.
I guess.
But I think we're kidding ourselves pretending that men, at large, are bothered by sexual advances the same way women are.
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I guess.
But I think we're kidding ourselves pretending that men, at large, are bothered by sexual advances the same way women are.
If women would just get with the program things would be so much easier.

But seriously, being harassed by a woman superior is not going to go over well with men either. In a bar, sure women can harass me. Please do. At work, nope. Been there.

My neighbor used to hit on me all the time and I hated it. She'd pretend she needed a hug or other odd stuff, and not let go. I remember thinking "so this is what women have to put up with when some men say 'oh I just wanna be friends' when they really don't"

There are plenty of married men, men with girlfriends, gay men, and just plain old men who ain't cool with it.

ETA: Imagine Hillary as your boss and tell me she couldn't be just as bad as any male boss, ever. She'd probably kick some ass and get stuff done though, I'll give her that.

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It will be used by the anti foreign aid lobby as an excuse to cut govt foreign aid.
There are already some pundits and Tory MPs rumbling about it.
Considering how the government likes to drag its feet other similar allegations elswhere - and especially within Parliament - the speed with which they're acted in this case certainly looks like them taking advantage of the excuse they long been waiting for.
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I am surprised. I remember being told about aid agency work in Afghanistan and how female aid workers were under heavy protection. I thought it was a safe place for women to work as it would attract altruistic people to work there.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8205101.html

"More than 120 workers from a range of Britain’s leading charities have reportedly been accused of sexual abuse in the past year alone.
New figures collated by the charities revealed that Oxfam recorded 87 allegations of sexual misconduct between April 2016 and March 2017, of which 53 were referred to the police, Save the Children had 31, ten of which were referred to the police, and Christian Aid two."

My comparison with the RC church is wrong, at least the charities have not gone into complete denial and cover up.
Not necessarily the same thing.
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Our Oxfam Charity shop on the Market Place has a board over one of its windows today. Looks like someone put a brick through it.

Coincidence?
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Former female volunteer revenge?
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Doubt it. Dickheads from the Wilton Lane Estate probably.
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Doubt it. Dickheads from the Wilton Lane Estate probably.
Someone said there might have been a paedo ring in haiti! Oxfam is paedos!
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Someone said there might have been a paedo ring in haiti! Oxfam is paedos!
Oxfam is probably more pedo than previously assumed.
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It is was pot/kettle/black to watch a government minister Penny Mordant criticise Oxfam for not doing enough about reports of abuse and being too slow to act.

Oxfam and other charities have done way more than the RC church and the House of Parliament ever did, regarding reports of abuse.
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Apparently if you work for Oxfam you are not allowed to have sex with anyone under the age of 18 because it might upset people.

Ridiculous.
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