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Old 27th December 2017, 06:40 AM   #1
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A Victory over Antifa

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/24/u...-virginia.html

Outing a nazi to his principle is basic antifa tactics and all those opposed to antifa should be proud of this fascist young man who stood up and defeated them. And remember the Nazis are the good guys and there is no ties between nazis and violence.
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Old 27th December 2017, 06:51 AM   #2
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A real shame that they did not catch him and grind him alive to feed pigs (before he murdered)!!!
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Old 27th December 2017, 06:57 AM   #3
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A real shame that they did not catch him and grind him alive to feed pigs (before he murdered)!!!
But everyone is always on about how much worse the antifa people like the murdered parents are, way more violent and worrisome than any nazi, many of whom I have on the highest authority(the president of the Unintended States) are good people. Clearly the real problem was their bigotry against nazis, which makes them clearly antifa.
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His racist views and regressive outlook are appalling and he's a monster for it!

We're also looking into the minor issue of his murdering some people recently.

The emphasis on what some people find to be the most damning elements of the story strikes me a little odd...

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Old 27th December 2017, 08:35 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
His racist views and regressive outlook are appalling and he's a monster for it!

We're also looking into the minor issue of his murdering some people recently.

The emphasis on what some people find to be the most damning elements of the story strikes me a little odd...
Im pretty sure its meant to be a jab at a certain contingent of this forum who are constantly parroting the right wing talking point that not only are Nazis and white supremacists to be safely ignored, but Antifa is the real threat.

These are the same people who would be shouting from the rooftops if something like this could be hung around the necks of Antifa, but will of course ignore this thread.
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Hes a murderer and a white supremacist. I am not sure what the puerile commentary at the beginning of this thread has to do with it.

As far as I am concerned, if someone is willing to post neo-Nazi propaganda then there is no problem with telling his school. Is this really a debate?

I do have a problem with condoning casual violence and sadistic murder as fuelair sanctimoniously advocates with tedious regularity. I think it is insane to seriously advocate that as a response to someone posting racist or neo-Nazi garbage.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
His racist views and regressive outlook are appalling and he's a monster for it!

We're also looking into the minor issue of his murdering some people recently.

The emphasis on what some people find to be the most damning elements of the story strikes me a little odd...
https://www.thestranger.com/slog/201...-be-a-neo-nazi

Many right wing sources are of course obviously trying to change the narratives of when ever a nazi kills someone to make him distant from the groups that the president is fond of retweeting and to ignore the connections that are there. It was the same after Charlottesville where the hospitalizations, deaths and shootings were on the side of those nice nazis while it was Antifa that was all anyone would talk about. Sure being as bold as the president as to say they are nice nazis was not broadly acceptable, but you just shift the focus and pretend that the murderers and people who sent others to the hospitals were not nazis. Antifa was clearly the threat they wanted to focus on, no matter how many nazis have killed lately.
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Old 27th December 2017, 09:09 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
https://www.thestranger.com/slog/201...-be-a-neo-nazi

Many right wing sources are of course obviously trying to change the narratives of when ever a nazi kills someone to make him distant from the groups that the president is fond of retweeting and to ignore the connections that are there. It was the same after Charlottesville where the hospitalizations, deaths and shootings were on the side of those nice nazis while it was Antifa that was all anyone would talk about. Sure being as bold as the president as to say they are nice nazis was not broadly acceptable, but you just shift the focus and pretend that the murderers and people who sent others to the hospitals were not nazis. Antifa was clearly the threat they wanted to focus on, no matter how many nazis have killed lately.
This is another one of those occasions where a person seems to have something they want to talk about that didn't necessitate quoting me at all.

I'm saying I'm not nearly as concerned with his racism as I am with the fact that he murders people. I don't need to dubiously try to drag all the ill-will felt towards neo-nazi groups onto him in order to know how to feel about him.

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Were the parents in antifa ?
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Were the parents in antifa ?
They were doxing Nazis. A basic antifa technique.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/24/u...-virginia.html

Outing a nazi to his principle is basic antifa tactics and all those opposed to antifa should be proud of this fascist young man who stood up and defeated them. And remember the Nazis are the good guys and there is no ties between nazis and violence.
Antifa acts so much like Nazis themselves complete with breaking windows and looting stores and assaulting people like the Nazis did I'm surprised they claim to be anti-Nazi. Their tactics are exactly the same as the people they claim to hate.
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And as we all know that was the whole purpose of the Nuremberg Trials: to make sure that the world would never have to experience atrocities like window breaking and store looting ever again!
The guy mentioned in the OP killed a couple of people.

What do you mean when you claim that antifa "tactics are exactly (!) the same as the people they claim to hate"?
(And why do you think that they just "claim" to hate them? Do you think that they're just pretending to hate them?)
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And as we all know that was the whole purpose of the Nuremberg Trials: to make sure that the world would never have to experience atrocities like window breaking and store looting ever again!
The guy mentioned in the OP killed a couple of people.

What do you mean when you claim that antifa "tactics are exactly (!) the same as the people they claim to hate"?
(And why do you think that they just "claim" to hate them? Do you think that they're just pretending to hate them?)
Broken windows are way worse than driving into a crowd, that is the lesson to learn from Charllotsville.
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And as we all know that was the whole purpose of the Nuremberg Trials: to make sure that the world would never have to experience atrocities like window breaking and store looting ever again!
The guy mentioned in the OP killed a couple of people.

What do you mean when you claim that antifa "tactics are exactly (!) the same as the people they claim to hate"?
(And why do you think that they just "claim" to hate them? Do you think that they're just pretending to hate them?)
I certainly hate nuzis and their supporters and would love to see them turned 90 degrees to the rest of the world. Permanently.
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Antifa acts so much like Nazis themselves complete with breaking windows and looting stores and assaulting people like the Nazis did I'm surprised they claim to be anti-Nazi. Their tactics are exactly the same as the people they claim to hate.
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So no antifa then ?

Talk about your fake news click bait thread titles, I was hoping Eric Clanton had gotten the death penalty, or something.
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So no antifa then ?
It depends on if you choose to use the definitions of it as they identify themselves or as they are identified by their opponents. Rather like the portland train stabbings. The "heros" who got killed by the white supremacist for standing up and trying to silence his harassment of a Muslim woman on the train certainly also fit into the actions of antifa.
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Another victory over Antifa

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ounter-protest

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Ayres, however, treated the protester like a suspect in the investigation. The police investigator recommended the man be charged with 11 offenses, including disturbing the peace, conspiracy, assault, unlawful assembly and wearing a mask to evade police.

As evidence, Ayres provided Facebook photos of the man holding up his fist. The officer wrote that the man’s “Black Power salute” and his “support for anti-racist activism” demonstrated his “intent and motivation to violate the civil rights” of the neo-Nazi group. He was ultimately not charged.

Ayres’s report also noted Felarca’s political activism in great detail, referencing her activism on behalf of students of color and women’s rights protests.
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Officers also worked with TWP member Derik Punneo to try to identify anti-fascist activists, recordings revealed. Officers interviewed Punneo in jail after he was arrested for an unrelated domestic violence charge. Audio recordings captured investigators saying they brought photos to show him, hoping he could help them identify anti-fascist activists.

The officers said, “We’re pretty much going after them,” and assured him: “We’re looking at you as a victim.”

Ayres’s report noted that Punneo was armed with a knife at the neo-Nazi rally and that one stabbing victim told officers he believed Punneo was responsible. Using video footage, Ayres also noted that Punneo was “in the vicinity” of another victim at the time he was injured, but the officer said the evidence ultimately wasn’t clear.
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Good to know that upstanding Neo-Nazis are kept safe from those nasty anti racist people.
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He’s a murderer and a white supremacist. I am not sure what the puerile commentary at the beginning of this thread has to do with it.

As far as I am concerned, if someone is willing to post neo-Nazi propaganda then there is no problem with telling his school. Is this really a debate?

I do have a problem with condoning casual violence and sadistic murder as fuelair sanctimoniously advocates with tedious regularity. I think it is insane to seriously advocate that as a response to someone posting racist or neo-Nazi garbage.
"Violence is OK as long as the people I agree with are doing it".

I despise neo Nazis as much as I can despise anybody, but I don't like antifia much either.
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Problem is Antififa is a name for radical left wing movement with a number of factions.
I can personally testify to seeing some "Anti Fascist" demonstrators acting exactly in the way described last year in Berkeley.
But keep the blinders on;all evil is one end of the political spectrum.
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Problem is Antififa is a name for radical left wing movement with a number of factions.
I can personally testify to seeing some "Anti Fascist" demonstrators acting exactly in the way described last year in Berkeley.
But keep the blinders on;all evil is one end of the political spectrum.
I don't recall anyone claiming "all", but the data is pretty clear where the preponderance lies.
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Good to know that upstanding Neo-Nazis are kept safe from those nasty anti racist people.
Yep. Apparently, the California Highway Police is also a Neo-Nazi organization.
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Problem is Antififa is a name for radical left wing movement with a number of factions.
I can personally testify to seeing some "Anti Fascist" demonstrators acting exactly in the way described last year in Berkeley.
But keep the blinders on;all evil is one end of the political spectrum.
Really?

Antifa is not a single unified organization but a collective word for many disparate small ones. Some of those indeed employ violent tactics; other don't.

That's different with Neo-Nazis and fascists. Violence is a core concept of their ideology.
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Really?

Antifa is not a single unified organization but a collective word for many disparate small ones. Some of those indeed employ violent tactics; other don't.

That's different with Neo-Nazis and fascists. Violence is a core concept of their ideology.
"Revolutionary Violence" is a core concept of some extreme leftist groups. I agree that many of those identified as Antifa do not use violence, but some do


Look I despise Neo Nazis, and agree that the attempts to blame all the violence on the Antifa groups is a desperate attempt to shift the blame, but it also impossible to deny that the militant left's hands are not completely clean.
If you could please explain how trashing a restaurant, which I saw with my own two eyes last year in Berkeley,is somehow "Fighting Fascism." let me know.
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Antifa and the Nazis are both lame. I've been consistent in my hand-waving of both of these groups. The gangs in LA and other major cities commit more murder and mayhem (woohoo mayhem!) in one hour than these dorks do in a year. Give or take And that's just the 14 year-olds.

Let 'em duke it out. I think I may make a video game - ah probably been done. Haven't seen them in the news much lately. Where have aaaalllll the nazis gooone? Gone to MeToo, every one...
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Old 10th February 2018, 01:02 AM   #33
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Wait, the cops talked to alleged victims of crimes to identity people who committed crimes and the victims themselves were unsavory?

Oh noes! Must have been a day that ends with y.
Not quite, there was a stabbing and treated the victim as a criminal whilst cooperating with a suspect and treating him as a victim.
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Old 10th February 2018, 01:21 AM   #34
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
But everyone is always on about how much worse the antifa people like the murdered parents are, way more violent and worrisome than any nazi, many of whom I have on the highest authority(the president of the Unintended States) are good people. Clearly the real problem was their bigotry against nazis, which makes them clearly antifa.
Who is everyone?

Clearly you assert that anyone that doesn't support immediate summary execution without trial is a fascist.
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Old 10th February 2018, 08:16 AM   #35
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Not quite, there was a stabbing and treated the victim as a criminal whilst cooperating with a suspect and treating him as a victim.
Yes quite. There were several stabbing and beatings on both sides and sometimes people who get stabbed have commited crimes.

Plus basically the article is spinning the stories fed to them by the criminal defendants and their lawyer, so I am certain that we are taking that with a huge grain of salt.
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Old 10th February 2018, 08:28 AM   #36
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
Antifa acts so much like Nazis themselves
Sorry - what's antifa's body count?
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Old 10th February 2018, 09:39 AM   #37
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
Antifa acts so much like Nazis themselves complete with breaking windows and looting stores and assaulting people like the Nazis did I'm surprised they claim to be anti-Nazi. Their tactics are exactly the same as the people they claim to hate.
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Sorry - what's antifa's body count?
Oh yes we all remember when Antifa marched into Poland.
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Old 10th February 2018, 11:46 AM   #38
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Oh yes we all remember when Antifa marched into Poland.
17 September 1939.
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Old 10th February 2018, 11:55 AM   #39
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Were the parents members of antifa?
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Old 10th February 2018, 12:45 PM   #40
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Another victory over Antifa

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ounter-protest





scary unlike the good TWP members
Yvette felarca is know for violence and instigating riots too.

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