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Old 13th January 2018, 10:35 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
, the Koran says that the earth was created first.

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Abandon the lies of your gospels.

The real information is only in the Qur'an.


As the Qur'an says, the universe is six, the Earth is two days old.
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Old 13th January 2018, 10:39 AM   #242
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And both are a crock of ****.
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Old 13th January 2018, 10:46 AM   #243
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And both are a crock of ****.
I just found some sausages in the fridge which went out of date more than a week ago, so that proves the universe is more than 6 days old. Busted.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Abandon the lies of your gospels.

The real information is only in the Qur'an.


As the Qur'an says, the universe is six, the Earth is two days old.
You did not cite the Koran for your claims, because your claims are false:

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“Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of [all] the worlds.” He set on the [earth] mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four days, in accordance with [the needs of] those who seek [sustenance]. Moreover, He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been [as] smoke: He said to it and to the earth: “Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly.” They said: “We do come [together], in willing obedience.” So He completed them as seven firmaments in two days and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and [provided it] with guard. Such is the decree of [Him] the Exalted in might, Full of knowledge.}
41:9-12

Let me know if you have any other questions about the Koran.

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Old 13th January 2018, 10:49 AM   #245
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What is it that you want to achieve here, Emre? It seems as though you wish to persuade people that your understanding of the Koran is the true one. But you have chosen a group of people who don't believe that any interpretation of the Koran is true. So what's the point?
Don't say that.

There's always hope.

Besides, people from all faiths read this place.

Look, even in the most desperate people, we must be hopeful. Because only God knows, who will go inferno, who will go paradise. :

7:163 Ask them about the town which was by the sea, after they had transgressed the Sabbath; their fish would come to them openly on the day of their Sabbath, and when they were not in Sabbath, they would not come to them! It is such that We afflicted them for what they corrupted.

7:164 And a nation from among them said: "Why do you preach to a people whom God will destroy or punish a painful retribution?" They said: "A plea to your Lord, and perhaps they may be aware."
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Old 13th January 2018, 10:53 AM   #246
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Don't say that.

There's always hope.

Besides, people from all faiths read this place.

Look, even in the most desperate people, we must be hopeful. Because only God knows, who will go inferno, who will go paradise. :.....
********. You're preaching crap at us again. Most people here are not religious. The nonsense you spout is likely to help persuade others to give up religion too.
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Old 13th January 2018, 10:55 AM   #247
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Meanwhile, 41:11 and 41:12 verses about the arrangement of existing universes.(when they in gas/smoke form)


41:11 Furthermore, He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."

41:12 He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

The world is being created in these last two days.

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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post

Besides, people from all faiths read this place.


That's your delusion!

I already explained how the viewcounter works. But you have your fantasies, either in your interpretation of the Quran, either about what this thread is.

And about your videos, most of your viewcount is just you visiting them to see the viewcount.

Why don't you ask people reading this thread to step in and say what they think about it? Are you that afraid of their replies?
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I'm not a desperate person. I'm just fine, thank you. I don't need 'saving' from imaginary consequences.

When it comes to transgressing other people's religion's requirements, I do that all the time. So maybe I should ask you about "the town that was by the sea". I assume that's a claim that bad stuff miraculously happened to people who flouted the rules. Well, where's the evidence? Billions of people flout Islam's rules about food and drink, for example. Where's the actuarial data showing bad stuff disproportionately happening to them?

This is like nonsense claims about the healing power of prayer which, when sincere believers start compiling real data, turn out to be garbage.

I'm not impressed by tales about unnamed people who supposedly flouted the rules and got magically punished, just like I'm not worried by claims that every time you say you don't believe in fairies, a fairy dies.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Meanwhile, 41:11 and 41:12 verses about the arrangement of existing universes.(when they in gas/smoke form)


41:11 Furthermore, He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."

41:12 He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

The world is being created in these last two days.
Yes, the universes were made of farts, and the devilgod Allah-Jehova-God_the_Elder came and said: "arrange yourself in six days, otherwise I will not be talking to you again"
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Meanwhile, 41:11 and 41:12 verses about the arrangement of existing universes.(when they in gas/smoke form)


41:11 Furthermore, He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."

41:12 He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

The world is being created in these last two days.
False. Look at 41:11, who could Allah have said to the Earth "Come willingly or unwillingly" if Allah had not created it on the first day????

Allah could not that is why I have expertly explained that according to the Koran he created the Earth on the first day and any other claims are blasphemous.
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No.
Your continued illogic continually shows the terrible illogic of God concepts.
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Old 13th January 2018, 11:18 AM   #254
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I'm not impressed by tales about .

The reason they were being destroyed was the evils and not beliving the truth. This last food test is a last chance for them. Or rather an accelerated confrontation experience. To show themselves their inner face. It means you'll always choose cruelty. They're see their real faces for the last time.
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....... I have expertly explained.....
......you have no idea about the real story of the universe, nor any idea about what the readers of this thread think of the Koran, and all other religious texts.
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Meanwhile, 41:11 and 41:12 verses about the arrangement of existing universes.(when they in gas/smoke form)


41:11 Furthermore, He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."

41:12 He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

The world is being created in these last two days.
41:11 And11 He [it is who] applied His design to the skies, which were [yet but] smoke;12 and He [it is who] said to them and to the earth, “Come [into being], both of you, willingly or unwillingly!" - to which both responded, “We do come in obedience."



41:11 and 41:12 about The arrangement of existing universes and the creation of the world.

The world has been shaped in the last two days, so it was created. The existing universes were arranged..

That's why when the universe is six years old, the world is two years old.

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......you have no idea about the real story of the universe, nor any idea about what the readers of this thread think of the Koran, and all other religious texts.
Say, mikeg, thanks a bunch for “checking in.” I have repeatedly explained my comments were in connection with the interpretation of the Koran, that much should be absolutely clear, because that is of course the subject of this thread.

Now while I respect your willingness to declare based on nothing that I have “no idea about” the real story of the universe and have assumed the role of declaring what the readers of the thread think, perhaps we should endeavor to, you know, stick to the topic of the thread, and endeavor to avoid making laughably ridiculous assertions like those I quoted above. But as I said, thanks for checking in.

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41:11 And11 He [it is who] applied His design to the skies, which were [yet but] smoke;12 and He [it is who] said to them and to the earth, “Come [into being], both of you, willingly or unwillingly!" - to which both responded, “We do come in obedience."



41:11 and 41:12 about The arrangement of existing universes and the creation of the world.

The world has been shaped in the last two days, so it was created. The existing universes were arranged..

That's why when the universe is six years old, the world is two years old.
41:09 and 10 prove that is false.
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Say, mikeg, thanks a bunch for “checking in.” I have repeatedly explained my comments were in connection with the interpretation of the Koran, that much should be absolutely clear, because that is of course the subject of this thread.

Now while I respect your willingness to declare based on nothing that I have “no idea about” the real story of the universe and have assumed the role of declaring what the readers of the thread think, perhaps we should endeavor to, you know, stick to the topic of the thread, and endeavor to avoid making laughably ridiculous assertions like those I quoted above. But as I said, thanks for checking in.

/oh man.....
I apologise. I thought I was responding to the OP. Please re-read my post as though it were addressed to him. It was never meant as a response to you.

That doesn't mean that I find "....I have expertly....." to be anything other than distasteful bragging.
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That's why when the universe is six years old, the world is two years old.
So, according to you the Earth is 4,500,000,000 years old and the Universe is 4,500,000,004 years old. Good thinking!

That's the quality one can expect from the "expertly" shaman Emre.
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41:09 and 10 prove that is false.
No,

The verses clearly say the universe (and other universes) is six, the world is two years old.
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Emre, how did you come to Islam?
Of course I read the Koran.

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No,

The verses clearly say the universe (and other universes) is six, the world is two years old.
The Koran says the earth was created on the first day, which means that according to the Koran the earth is as old as the Universe.

Your contention that the earth was created last is false.

Unless you are contending that the Koran is false?
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The Koran says the earth was created on the first day, which means that according to the Koran the earth is as old as the Universe.

Your contention that the earth was created last is false.

Unless you are contending that the Koran is false?
No, this is your lie.

The verses clearly say the universe (and other universes) is six, the world is two years old.
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The reason they were being destroyed was the evils and not beliving the truth. This last food test is a last chance for them. Or rather an accelerated confrontation experience. To show themselves their inner face. It means you'll always choose cruelty. They're see their real faces for the last time.
Cool story, but of course it's not actually true. It's just another fan fiction veiled threat to keep people in line.
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Emre, how did you come to Islam?
Of course I read the Koran.
No. The suggestion was you were born a Christian and then became some kind of a Muslim.
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No, this is your lie.

The verses clearly say the universe (and other universes) is six, the world is two years old.
Certainly your avatar shows that the world started two years ago, at least for you .

Emre_1974tr: you have become pretty a living tomfoolery-writing machine!
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No,

The verses clearly say the universe (and other universes) is six, the world is two years old.
Years now? Wasn't it days before? How "clearly" do verses say this? Not very clearly, I begin to suspect.

When I was six years old my sister was two. When I am 60, will she be 20?
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No, this is your lie.

The verses clearly say the universe (and other universes) is six, the world is two years old.
You call the Hadith a lie. Now you are calling verses 41:09 and 10 of the Koran a lie.
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Years now? Wasn't it days before? How "clearly" do verses say this? Not very clearly, I begin to suspect.

When I was six years old my sister was two. When I am 60, will she be 20?
Verse says Day/period of course.
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You call the Hadith a lie. Now you are calling verses 41:09 and 10 of the Koran a lie.
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Edited for rule 0 and rule 12.

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Surely Emre has a pretty made-up excuse for all those blunders, like he is in a permanent ecstatic state in the timelessness time of the flour (of the garbage can) and thinking in the farting beginning of the religious multiverses (also known as multisnowjobs).
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Verse says Day/period of course.
Do ye join equals with Allah? The Koran says that it was four days for the earth and the mountains! Therefore under no interpretation of the Koran could the earth be created any later than the third day.
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No,

The verses clearly say the universe (and other universes) is six, the world is two years old.
So the world is only 4 years younger than the universe. Curious, because you said previously that it was one third of the age of the universe. Which one of your answers do you want us to believe?
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Verse says Day/period of course.
"...of course" Okay.

So when the universe was 6 days old, the earth was 2 days old, and when the universe was 1 million years and 6 days old, the earth was 1 million years and 2 days old.

Is that how it works?
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Abandon the lies of your gospels.

The real information is only in the Qur'an.


As the Qur'an says, the universe is six, the Earth is two days old.
Don't be absurd. I didn't walk away from the stupidity and irrationality of Christianity only to be taken in by the immoral theology of a corrupt, perverted Bedouin.
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So the world is only 4 years younger than the universe. Curious, because you said previously that it was one third of the age of the universe. Which one of your answers do you want us to believe?
However contradictory or nonsensical it is you just believe everything, period. Err, I mean everything, day/period.

Can I be the only one feeling this is more reminiscent of Abbot and Costello than any kind of serious discussion?
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You see, according to the Qur'an, The age of the universe is three times that of the world.

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