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Old 22nd August 2018, 07:01 PM   #1721
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Aaaand parliament has adjourned until 10 September.
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Old 22nd August 2018, 07:30 PM   #1722
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
The Government just tried to dissolve Parliament for the day!

"It's all too much. I'm taking my bat and ball and going home!"
This act alone will lose them votes. Cowards.

Christ the Coalition is showing remarkable ineptitude. The economy is going well enough, unemployment is low and businesses generally profitable yet the Coalition is in utter turmoil and looking unelectable. Brilliant stuff guys.

One issue barely discussed is the scrapping of carbon emission reductions from the NEG. These knuckle draggers are willing to do nothing in this area and make this country a joke internationally just to get a few more votes in Queensland. Scum.
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Old 22nd August 2018, 07:36 PM   #1723
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This is gold!

"Government, who needs it?"

"**** the lot of yas, I'm on break."

Sure fire vote winner.

Whatever else about Billy, he'll be salivating like a rottie with ten pounds of steak.
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Old 22nd August 2018, 07:45 PM   #1724
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I've asked on Facebook - the consensus amongst my American friends is that they have no idea what's happening here, apart from what they see posted by me.

We're hardly an international laughingstock.
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Old 22nd August 2018, 07:55 PM   #1725
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Read all about it here http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-2...again/10155008.
More news at 1pm when Turnbull talks.
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Old 22nd August 2018, 09:07 PM   #1726
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Turnbull has demanded that he demonstrate that he has enough votes for a spill motion in the party room tomorrow. If he does, Turnbull will not stand and will in fact retire from Parliament, triggering a by-election in his electorate. Which in turn means that Dutton (or Morrison if he has the support) may well be unable to retain the tiny majority that the LNP currently has in Parliament.

These are the interesting times in which we live.
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Old 22nd August 2018, 09:33 PM   #1727
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Again from the Guardian live politics feed:

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Pure farce.

This is where we’re currently at in the 45th parliament. Senator Malarndirri McCarthy asks:
"How many ministers currently serve in the Liberal National government? Who are they? And what are their portfolios?"
I honestly don’t think anyone knows.
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Old 22nd August 2018, 10:24 PM   #1728
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Richard Di Natale in the Senate just now:

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It’s a disgrace. It’s utterly shameful. We haven’t had a stable government in this country for a decade now. I’ve got a 10-year-old boy, he’s seen half a dozen different prime ministers. We have politicians in this joint who are more concerned about themselves, about their own self-interest, than they are with governing the country. Just think, while the Liberal party has been tearing themselves apart. We’ve got 100% of NSW that’s in drought right now, we’ve got the Great Barrier Reef on the brink of collapse, we’ve got floods in India. We’ve got a 12-year-old girl who is setting herself alight in Nauru. We’ve got kids who are in a catatonic state because they’ve given up hope, locked away in those offshore hell-holes. What’s the Liberal party doing? Focussing on vengeance. On payback.

There are 100,000 people in this country who are homeless. There are women who fear going home tonight, because one woman a week is killed at the hands of a violent partner. And what have we got? We’ve got this spectacle. This disgrace.

You should be ashamed of yourselves. We have people across the country who are suffering, and look what you are doing. You are so focussed on yourselves that you have forgotten what the country elected you to do, and that is to govern for them, not for you. Not for you. You don’t deserve to govern. You deserve to be turfed out. That’s what you deserve.
Liberal senators are very concerned with their phones.
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Consequences of the turmoil include that the share holders are losing money
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It has now lost 1.7 per cent, or $30 billion, this week.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-2...ugust/10155368
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I just love this headline
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For the second time this decade Malcolm Turnbull, besieged by his own party colleagues, has strapped explosive devices to himself and dared them to come and get him.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-2...ctics/10157030
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Old 22nd August 2018, 11:02 PM   #1731
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Turnbull has demanded that he demonstrate that he has enough votes for a spill motion in the party room tomorrow. If he does, Turnbull will not stand and will in fact retire from Parliament, triggering a by-election in his electorate. Which in turn means that Dutton (or Morrison if he has the support) may well be unable to retain the tiny majority that the LNP currently has in Parliament.

These are the interesting times in which we live.
Wentworth is one of the safest Liberal seats in Australia, but you never know. Howard was rolled by Maxine McKew.....
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Old 22nd August 2018, 11:11 PM   #1732
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Wentworth is one of the safest Liberal seats in Australia, but you never know. Howard was rolled by Maxine McKew.....
After today's shenanigans I think a lot of safe Liberal voters may be reconsidering.
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
Consequences of the turmoil include that the share holders are losing money

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-2...ugust/10155368
I've had a pretty good day playing my fake day trading game. Gained a fair bit of ground.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I've asked on Facebook - the consensus amongst my American friends is that they have no idea what's happening here, apart from what they see posted by me.

We're hardly an international laughingstock.
Nobody is interested in the political machinations of a foreign country. If and when the prime ministership changes, it might rate a couple of sentences on the US media.
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Old 23rd August 2018, 12:23 AM   #1735
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Turnbull's rearguard action consists of a three-pronged strategy:
  • Cast doubt on Peter Dutton's eligibility to sit in parliament
    Peter Dutton's family's childcare businesses has received childcare rebates and benefits directly from the government totaling more than $5.6M. This might make him ineligible to be in Parliament due to section 44 of the constitution.
  • Require MPs who want a spill to sign their names to a letter calling for a party room meeting
    Many Liberal MPs are resentful of this demand. A vote for PM is supposed to be a private ballot but this would put the name of every detractor out there in writing.
  • Threaten that he would not run for PM and that he would resign from Parliament and force a by-election
    Although there is no chance that Wentworth could fall into Labor hands, a strong independent could wrest the seat from Liberal hands. This would leave the government without a majority in the House of Representatives.
In effect, Turnbull has said, "Come at me if you want but I will cost you the government if you do".

Meanwhile, in other news, Julie Bishop and Scott Morrison have both put up their hands if another leadership spill happens. In spite of earlier speculation, Tony Abbott has not declared his intention to run for PM.
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Old 23rd August 2018, 12:26 AM   #1736
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Sky News now reporting 42 signatures on the petition calling for tomorrow's noon meeting - one more signature needed.


And if the numbers aren't forthcoming, about 10 new Ministers will have to be called up. This nightmare cannot go on much longer - the Country is virtually without Government at the moment, as the Liberals are too busy fighting each other.



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This nightmare cannot go on much longer - the Country is virtually without Government at the moment, as the Liberals are too busy fighting each other.
That is a good thing. The real nightmare is when the LNP is able to implement their agenda.
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That is a good thing. The real nightmare is when the LNP is able to implement their agenda.

Which one? The major factions are barely talking to each other, and they have conflicting ideas as to what policy actually is. Except grab power at all costs.



Is this another 1955, only this time on the other side?


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Which one? The major factions are barely talking to each other, and they have conflicting ideas as to what policy actually is. Except grab power at all costs.
Regardless of the leadership woes, the hard right is firmly in charge of the LNP agenda.
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Turnbull in Full Voice.


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Regardless of the leadership woes, the hard right is firmly in charge of the LNP agenda.
Correct. Which is why the carbon emission targets were cut from the NEG without a whimper.
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My theory about Julie Bishop nominating is that she is not expecting to win, but wants to ensure that she is deputy again. If she sits back, the new leader may just promote a mate to deputy. If she picks up a few votes and drops out (as I expect) she shows them that she still commands respect.

But I could easily be wrong. She may believe that, despite years of non-achievement, she is what the electorate wants
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To be honest when the other options are Dutton and Morrison she'd be a far more popular candidate.
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To be honest when the other options are Dutton and Morrison she'd be a far more popular candidate.
And we all know the results of popular votes for female candidates.

Not that she’s any better than the other bastards in that cabinet.
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Sky News now reporting 42 signatures on the petition calling for tomorrow's noon meeting - one more signature needed.
Warren Entsch has said that he's willing to be the 43rd, but that no-one has given him the document to sign yet.

In other news, the Solicitor-General has declared that Dutton is "not incapable" of sitting.
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And yep, it's on. Dutton has handed the completed petition to the Prime Minister.

There are reports that some Liberal Party members have had their preselection threatened.
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A poll on who would make the better PM has some stark variations depending on who will the PM today:

Julie Bishop 64% - Bill Shorten 36%
Malcolm Turnbull 54% - Bill Shorten 46%
Scott Morrison 49.5% - Bill Shorten 50.55
Peter Dutton 38% - Bill Shorten 62%

https://thewest.com.au/politics/fede...-ng-b88938409z

I doubt that the polls will influence the hard right will be influenced by the polls. It seems that they would rather be in opposition than be lead by a moderate PM.
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This is turning into a minute by minute ******* farce.


The whip was shown the 43 signatures and reported to the PM's office. It was reported back that the PM refused to accept the petition, so now Dutton has personally taken the petition to Turnbull, and now the whip has whipped in and out, and who knows what is about to happen.


Whatever Turnbull thought he was doing, his legacy will go down as the biggest sook of all time.


Update. Now the whips has got to verify that the signatures are not forgeries!


Turnbull, you are a bloody joke, and have destroyed yourself in history and look like one of the biggest dickheads in Australia.


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Holy ****** Even Arthur Sinodinos has come in from his hospital bed to vote on this one.
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Spill motion has been carried in the party room 45 - 40 according to the ABC.
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Spill motion has been carried in the party room 45 - 40 according to the ABC.
A worrying result for Peter Dutton.
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Bishop has been knocked out of the ballot.
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The ABC has three sources indicating that Scott Morrison has won the ballot.
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That means it's time for a new thread.
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