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31st January 2017, 02:57 PM | #81 |
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31st January 2017, 03:43 PM | #82 |
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Just what it is: an opportunity to do something we can be proud of, instead of rationalizing to our grandchildren.
I agree that I left it very open ended, but no specific path was implied - just the reminder that our future selves will look back at this and ask whether we were on the side that said "send the refugees back to their deaths," or whether we stood against it. At the moment, I'm really thinking about somebody who tells his grandchildren in 2080 that he "Stood up for All That Is Right by skipping my morning latte, because you see, Starbucks actually said they'd help rescue some of those war refugees. So I knew they had to feel my wrath, you know, to prove my moral highground." |
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31st January 2017, 03:53 PM | #83 |
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31st January 2017, 04:51 PM | #84 |
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I think it can go both ways. But I think in the case of BB it was not an example of him trying to show his power over others, but Saddam showing his power over BB - and in doing so, attempting to show those who could attempt a coup that he was in control. If I was there and Saddam told me to lie my ass off on the TV I would have done so enthusiastically and then surrendered to the Americans the very first second the opportunity presented itself (which was what BB did).
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31st January 2017, 05:34 PM | #85 |
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No, I am referring to the shooter.
No, that's a very stupid read of my post. Line 1: given those three features, not a surprise on the sentiments that led to the shooting. Line 2: question (given the SHOOTING IN THE OP) about death penalty in Canada. A shooter like that is a perfect fit the death penalty, but as Border Riever pointed out, you don't have the option. |
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31st January 2017, 09:12 PM | #86 |
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From a story on CNN.com
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The statement from the Prime Minister's Office which convinced them to issue the apology and delete the tweet included:
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Looks like a not so veiled comment on the current situation in the Whitehouse more than just words directed at FOX News. |
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1st February 2017, 03:03 AM | #87 |
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The uptick in minor civil incidents after Trump's election owed to people on the far left and on the far right taking their respective extreme narratives as cover to legitimize action. The lesson from this incident is the same as any other form of social violence: cover narratives matter, and statements by political, religious, and major social figures can give lowlifes the understanding that there is an applauding public for violence. Ideas matter, ideologies matter, narratives matter. People may often not practice what they preach, but when vitriolic enough, guaranteed the wing nuts and loose cannons of the world will rush in to take up that slack.
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1st February 2017, 03:09 AM | #88 |
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Only some covering narratives matter. If you call a covering narrative a religion, but not Christianity or Judaism, then it can't possibly ever create anything bad, regardless of what the covering narrative is. All other covering narratives can cause problems, except maybe for the works of Marx and Lenin in some instances (this part is heavily disputed).
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1st February 2017, 03:19 AM | #89 |
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Don't worry, people. It is a white guy, so it must be just a loner that has a few screws loose. He can't be a self-radicalized member of a hate group, or a terrorist. [/Trumper]
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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1st February 2017, 03:28 AM | #90 |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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1st February 2017, 04:07 AM | #91 |
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I may have missed it so this is a genuine question, have either Theresa May or Donald Trump offered any statement on this event, even to offer sympathy?
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1st February 2017, 04:25 AM | #92 |
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Trump called Trudeau: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/01..._14497494.html
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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1st February 2017, 07:17 AM | #102 |
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Ha! Foolmewunz has just been added to the list of people who aren't complete idiots. Hokulele It's not that liberals have become less tolerant. It's that conservatives have become more intolerable. |
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1st February 2017, 09:11 AM | #105 |
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Yes, the French Interior Minister made the same "error" from my POV in the Nice case. The prosecutor was embarrassed.
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1st February 2017, 10:22 AM | #108 |
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Here is why I fine the politics of this disgusting.
Maybe he is a terrorist, maybe he is a lone idiot. This isn't a political issue it is a practical one. If he is a lone idiot this is still terrible but it's not as likely that there are other planned attacks. On the other hand if he had real connections to white power organizations this could signal something larger. So please stop making whether he is a terrorist or not a political statement. He could be either and we shouldn't let politics interfere with reality as misjudging what he is could have have consequences either way. |
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Question is does an attack have to be organized before it qualifies as Terrorism?
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1st February 2017, 11:26 AM | #111 |
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Depends what you mean by "organised". Do you mean involving several people? You can have single acts of terrorism.
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1st February 2017, 11:29 AM | #112 |
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The September Clues wackos are all over this one too. http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1948
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1st February 2017, 11:33 AM | #114 |
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Interesting point. I would say no. There seems to be a practice in ISIS and other violent extremist organisations, to "approve" some lone wolf atrocity and claim to have "inspired" it. A cheap way of gaining publicity and claiming "achievements". Does that make a "lone nut" atrocity more "terrorist" than it would be if no extremist group adopted it?
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Sure, except. We know that ISIS is hoping to inspire terrorist attacks carried out by lone individuals in western nations, without any direct contact between ISIS and the attackers, and that's still considered terrorism. So why not the same when it's a lone white supremacist carrying out an attack inspired by Stormfront, the nazis, and that ilk? |
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1st February 2017, 12:26 PM | #116 |
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My impression at this point is that there's an official qualification for terrorism (eg: the FBI has specific criteria), but nevertheless, that doesn't matter, because at the end of the day it's Terrorism if and when the authorities in power say it is.
So, a white supremacist shooting up a mosque is not a terrorist, but a muslim shooting up a church would be. "Because." |
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