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1st February 2017, 01:42 PM | #121 |
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It would have been clear if you had asked if Canada had the death penalty and then stated "the death penalty is made for mass-murderers." But you described three attributes to which you implied a negative association, then followed it up with a statement that the death penalty "[is] made for people like this." The problem isn't in the reading.
In response to your clarification above, do you have evidence that being a Quebecois francophone significantly contributes to the rise of sentiments that would lead to murder? In case you were not aware, Quebec has one of the lowest per-capita murder rates in Canada, Quebec City (90%+ francophone) one of the lowest murder rates of all Canadian cities, and Quebec's rate of reported hate crimes is also below average for Canada. I see no reason to identify the shooter as anything other than a mentally disturbed individual--something which exists in all population groups. |
1st February 2017, 02:00 PM | #122 |
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What Makes An Attacker A Terrorist In Canada? An interesting article about "who is actually considered a terrorist in Canada?" :http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/01..._14521232.html
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1st February 2017, 02:07 PM | #123 |
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That is true. The shooter was mentally disturbed, and all populations have such people. But it doesn't even begin to answer the question whether or not he was a terrorist. One can be a terrorist and mentally disturbed at the same time. And any population can produce a person like that.
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1st February 2017, 04:26 PM | #125 |
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For not being computers, humans do a great job of thinking in binary!
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1st February 2017, 04:36 PM | #126 |
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1st February 2017, 04:48 PM | #127 |
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Have we considered the possibility that he was radicalized by reports of Islamic violence?
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1st February 2017, 05:03 PM | #128 |
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1st February 2017, 05:03 PM | #129 |
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1st February 2017, 05:08 PM | #130 |
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So that amounts to a justification for the shootings?
Anybody who makes excuses for this guy is just displaying their religious bigotry . I am truly scared that so many on the right in Islam seem to have found the vast evil enemy they have been longing for since the fall of Communism. |
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1st February 2017, 05:20 PM | #131 |
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That is exactly where we are - wankers believing some god like answer to it all- Some based in Mecca, some based on Runes. And in addition, the other believers, Hindu extremists and Myanmar Buddhists are trying to keep their heads down from the press. Can't we just tell all of them to **** off? |
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1st February 2017, 08:51 PM | #132 |
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Yes I have considered that. He read about the crimes committed by ISIS, So he got himself a gun and shot up some innocent people in a place of worship because they were Muslims. That makes him mentally disturbed I would have thought, in the eyes of everyone, except if there are any people who say that Muslims are all jointly responsible for the deeds of the extremists, because only the extremists accurately understand Islam and only they are acting according to the true message of the Muslim holy books ... anyone saying that?
Wait a minute ... maybe the Muslim extremists were themselves radicalised by reports of the invasion of Iraq and the settlement of occupied Palestine. Have we considered that possibility? Because that would explain why ISIS has been murdering Yazidi women and children, wouldn't it? |
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2nd February 2017, 01:03 AM | #134 |
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2nd February 2017, 01:08 AM | #135 |
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That depends, do you think anti-terror campaign on the Arab peninsula, invasion of Iraq, settlement of Palestine and more are justifications for Islamic terrorism?
I, for one, don't, and the same goes for this guy. That said, in his case this is a plausible scenario of what happened. It just doesn't justify his deed. McHrozni |
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2nd February 2017, 04:35 AM | #136 |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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2nd February 2017, 05:17 AM | #139 |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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2nd February 2017, 05:28 AM | #140 |
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I don't mind if you put radical, but racist would be stylistically poor, because racist would appear twice. You can stick several more adjectives in front of that if you want, just make sure they're different adjectives.
The more adjectives you add the weaker the condemnation will be. This is your objective, I take it? McHrozni |
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2nd February 2017, 05:33 AM | #141 |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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2nd February 2017, 05:43 AM | #142 |
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Oh - well, I suppose it's an accurate description, but you're reaching homeopathic levels of dilution of message with it
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2nd February 2017, 05:55 AM | #143 |
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But of course, according to your view, a bunch of Muslims in a mosque in Québec are responsible for the outrages committed by ISIS, because ISIS are the only true Muslims, you tell us, whether other Muslims know it or not. So it's not "implausible" that the shooter would be radicalised against them by contemplating terrorism perpetrated by very different people thousands of miles away.
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2nd February 2017, 07:42 AM | #144 |
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As I said, the french minister of the interior made the same "mistake" in the Nice case (from my pov). He is from the left. Politicians have agendas and use talking points accordingly but we are not obliged to imitate them. Actually I think we'd better not imitate them, but hey that's just me.
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2nd February 2017, 09:58 AM | #146 |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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2nd February 2017, 10:01 AM | #147 |
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Apparently, the Trump regime has decided that white nationalists are not terrorist. They just took them off of the terror organizations list.
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I found one. The "Daily Stormer" has responded with approbation.
Yes, this is real life.ETA The Stormers even pledge their weapons to the service of Trump, in the most moving - bowel moving - terms. Every day brings a new high-on-life adventure in the brave new era of Donald Trump.This is going to make the state visit difficult for the Queen and above all for her Heir - mark my words! May will be summoned to the Presence - and not be invited to sit. |
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Ha! Foolmewunz has just been added to the list of people who aren't complete idiots. Hokulele It's not that liberals have become less tolerant. It's that conservatives have become more intolerable. |
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2nd February 2017, 10:32 AM | #152 |
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Thank you. I think that makes it official. The USA has a fascist leader. Now we wait to see if he can successfully perform a "coup in office" against your Constitution. What do you think? I think that he won't be able to, but of course I'm not certain. We're in uncharted territory.
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2nd February 2017, 09:57 PM | #156 |
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Sufficiently advanced Woo is indistinguishable from Parody "There shall be no *poofing* in science" Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Force ***** on reasons back" Ben Franklin |
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6th February 2017, 06:55 AM | #159 |
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It depends heavily on 2018 elections. If Trump becomes wildly popular among republicans, they could achieve a massive advantage in Senate, which could, in turn, mean Bad news. This is rather unlikely however, and it is possible that Democrats will obtain a majority in the Senate, crushing his hopes for good.
Congress will likely swing democratic, we'll see by how much - which is good. McHrozni |
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