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6th February 2017, 08:17 AM | #161 |
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I'm a gun nut (admittedly too busy and lazy to jump through the hoops to own one) and I have zero qualms about saying the mosque should have armed guards ( hell so should my job but yay canada in not having that be legal. ).
People in targeted situations places and groups should be armed, it doesn't mayer their skin tone. Liking weaponry neither comes with a free nazi arm band nor a card making you a member of the political right. Minorities especially can be more empowered by lethal proper gun ownership. |
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6th February 2017, 12:52 PM | #164 |
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Not so much:
http://www.snopes.com/trump-terror-watch-program/ ETA - FBI website: https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/domestic-threat |
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6th February 2017, 01:00 PM | #165 |
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It might be useful to note The Deacons for Defense protected their communities by being armed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacon...se_and_Justice And in the case U.S v Cruikshank http://theusconstitution.org/text-history/580 The precursor of the Colfax massacre was disarming the freed blacks that had won elected office. |
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It's as though the progressive left has insisted on humanity re-learning every lesson we had spent thousands of years learning, all over again, and as painfully as possible.
Yeah, the mosque shouldn't' have to have armed guards. That's unreasonable. The mosque should be safely inside of a Sunni or Shia (whichever that mosque is) country where it can reasonably expect that the government and the borders act as a near-guarantee against anyone from another religious or ethnic group having access to them to do harm. There shouldn't be a single mosque in Canada, Australia, the U.S. or Europe or Japan or many other places. Diversity leads to conflict. Insisting that different types of people must all share ALL spaces, with nobody getting anywhere to themselves, is a recipe for horrible bloodshed, distrust, and civil war. This "we're all equal and should all live together and love one another, maaaaaaaaaaaaaan" bullcrap which has taken off these last several decades has, ironically and tragically, set the stage for the worst horrors in our species' history. Most of us here will get to see them and experience them within our lifetimes. Hope you're all proud of what you've done. You wanted to fight and extinguish racism forever. You are AWAKENING racism through what you push. I spent thirty plus years being an avowed leftist anti-racist and I am now a huge racist expressly and solely because of the excesses of the egalitarian agenda. The globalist push to destroy borders and boundaries and the unique cultures and peoples of the world through forced cohabitation and mixing. It found and hit my limit and more people have their limit reached every day. I don't think most of you here have any inkling of how horrible this is going to get in the next 50 years. |
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Yup, it's going to be horrible.
People getting along. Making good livings for themselves and raising families. And the racist arses getting more and more isolated from the mainstream of society because we see that they are failures. And them trying to lash out because they can't stand their own failure and need to blame others for their own issues. Society advances when there is mixing. Insular societies become stagnant and are overtaken by the more dynamic ones. Bissonnette was a small man, afraid of others and that he was inadequate to compete, so he lashed out at helpless people. He is a perfect example of why racists are losers. |
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That's true to a degree, but diversity also A) avoids stagnation, a major problem of a homogeneous population (see Japan before the Meiji era) and B) most civilisations had some sort of population mix, so it's not as if history shows us much in terms of monolithic societies.
I think you're taking the quoted above too far, and as an absolute, which it isn't.
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That's a long winded, apologetic screed on racism and hate. I get a kick out of the fact that it is Muslims' fault no matter who is doing the killing.
I guess that crazy little killer in the States missed your memo, or else he was correct, when he shot up the black Chrustian church. No room in the U.S. for diversity, let alone opposites like black and white. |
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7th February 2017, 08:57 AM | #170 |
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Everything costs money we live in a capitalist society.
That is probably the worst arguement against guns I have ever read. By that logic nothing can empower anyone because it costs money. Education? Not empowering costs money. Media presence, nope not empowering costs money and time. Private security, won't help costs money. I could literally apply your logic to anything that takes any time or money (as time is valued). Want to try again? |
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You mean being pushed out of society so much one is in the white house?
Keep thinking your tactics are working. I sure as hell want a diverse integrated society, which is why I fight so hard against garbage like attacking people for talking. Not because I feel it's important to give racist idiots time to speak, but because I can see the effects of relaxing or sense of fair play is having. |
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I did not realize you were forced to share the space in a mosque. Maybe you're living in the wrong place yourself. I've had to share the sidewalk with a few people including the occasional Muslim, but I've never been forced to step into a mosque.
I suppose one had better stop there, because, quite apart from what a lamentably stupid, backward, unimaginative, drab and flavorless world would result from your ideas being put into practice, I think it would be difficult to say anything polite about the inevitable displacement, exile, ethnic cleansing and genocide that it implies. The argument that diversity causes bloodshed and civil war is the argument of wife beaters and rapists and terrorists, that their hate makes their crimes unavoidable. It's disgusting. |
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Two separate issues:
1) The victimized group is responsible for the costs of being victimized or reducing their likelihood of being so targeted. 2) Gun ownership is empowering. Both are views I disagree with. You conflated the issue of bearing costs with the issue of empowerment in your response. Besides, armed guards at mosques is probably not going to go over to well in the current climate. |
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I know you disagree, could you please back that up with anything. To clarify, your points against are lacking in any impact, saying guns cost money is simply pointing out the obvious.
You have not made any rebuttal to my counter points simply re stated a piece of information about capitalism that everyone already knows. Guns cost money the people who could use guns would be the ones paying, I concede that is a thing, but that has no bearing on whether having and using them is helpful or not. It would be like if we were talking about a mosque that burned down and your response was "fire extinguishers wouldn't help, the government doesn't pay for them. ". The first part of the statement has nothing to do with the second it is merely staying a random fact about fire extinguishers. Random tidbits of information are not an arguement against something. Could you try making a little sense please? |
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You feel my points against lack impact.
I give no ***** about that. Deal with it and move on with your life.
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Gerrymandering is a double edged sword. All things being equal it provides you a solid majority in representation with only a tiny majority (or plurality) of votes. The stronger the gerrymandering the greater the danger of massive swings against you from only marginal shifts in the opinion of the electorate.
The thing is, with Trump at the helm, everything will not be equal. He is absolutely reviled among Democrats, ensuring a high level of voter participation from their base. He is alienating many Republican supporters and panders mostly to the deplorable vote, which could well drive down Republican voter participation. Other than loads of empty promises and hot air, he will not deliver much in the next two years. Granted, deplorables will still vote for him, but if he manages to drive down overall Republican participation somewhat and drive up Democrat participation and have independents break against him, there could well be a blue wave in 2018. Think of it this way, Republican gerrymandering has made the seats Democrats do hold secure. Republicans will not be able to seriously threaten them in their home constituencies, even if they become significantly more popular than they are. On the other hand, comparatively minor swings of the electorate could result in massive seat swings towards Democrats. There is also the demographic shift, which favors the Democrats. Two years isn't very long for this factor, but this is in addition to all the other factors mentioned already. McHrozni |
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I don't, Germany in the 1930's was all for destroying cultures it deemed inferior. He wants cultures to remain as they are, separated by walls and fences, having only minimal contact. His 'thinking' fits exceptionally well in modern North Korea.
Whether that's a step up, a step down or not significantly different is a matter of debte. McHrozni |
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