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Old Yesterday, 06:23 PM   #3521
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
The more I read about Whitaker, the more he comes across to me as a dodgy businessman and fraudster.
That made him a perfect choice for Trump.
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Old Yesterday, 07:50 PM   #3522
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The Democrats say they will investigate Whitaker when they take the House, in order to stop obstruction by Trump. I think opening investigations on McConnell would serve them better, Mitch is the one that's stopping the Senate from protecting Mueller. Trump and Putin have something on Mitch, I'm sure of it.
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Old Yesterday, 08:18 PM   #3523
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
The Democrats say they will investigate Whitaker when they take the House, in order to stop obstruction by Trump. I think opening investigations on McConnell would serve them better, Mitch is the one that's stopping the Senate from protecting Mueller. Trump and Putin have something on Mitch, I'm sure of it.
Or he could just be a generally traitorous partisan who's far more interested in "winning" than the good of the country. Investigating political opponents, just because they're political opponents, is a very dangerous path to take and should be strongly discouraged (at least when it comes to any party interested in good governance). Now, if he were coincidentally caught in Mueller's investigation, that would be fine. If you can point at some, say, dark money that's actually being funneled to him from Russia and unusual Russian contacts, that could be worth investigating.
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Old Yesterday, 08:49 PM   #3524
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
Or he could just be a generally traitorous partisan who's far more interested in "winning" than the good of the country. Investigating political opponents, just because they're political opponents, is a very dangerous path to take and should be strongly discouraged (at least when it comes to any party interested in good governance). Now, if he were coincidentally caught in Mueller's investigation, that would be fine. If you can point at some, say, dark money that's actually being funneled to him from Russia and unusual Russian contacts, that could be worth investigating.
I was watching an episode of "Lost Tapes" last night about the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal and Whitewater. I had forgotten how much the American public backed Clinton, even knowing he had been unfaithful to Hilary, because they wanted rid of the distraction and wanted he and Congress to get on with the jobs they were elected to do. GOP, however, especially Newt Gingrich, were obsessed with getting him, and they effectively committed political suicide when they decided to go against the will of the people, and continue with their attacks on him. It cost them the 1996 Presidential election and the 1998 mid-terms.

If GOP is counting on the American people getting sick of the attacks on Der Trumpenführer in the same way they tired of the attacks on Clinton, they are definitely barking up the wrong tree - Clinton had the support of the people, Trump does not.
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Old Yesterday, 09:33 PM   #3525
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
Or he could just be a generally traitorous partisan who's far more interested in "winning" than the good of the country. Investigating political opponents, just because they're political opponents, is a very dangerous path to take and should be strongly discouraged (at least when it comes to any party interested in good governance). Now, if he were coincidentally caught in Mueller's investigation, that would be fine. If you can point at some, say, dark money that's actually being funneled to him from Russia and unusual Russian contacts, that could be worth investigating.
Mitch is in bed with Trump and Russia, or he certainly acts enough like it to warrant an investigation. Investigating Mitch at this point would not be political.
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Old Yesterday, 09:58 PM   #3526
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Mitch is in bed with Trump and Russia, or he certainly acts enough like it to warrant an investigation. Investigating Mitch at this point would not be political.
Maybe. His outright threatening of the President is certainly grounds to raise ethical questions. They just might not be the right kinds of ethical questions to warrant an investigation.
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Old Yesterday, 10:44 PM   #3527
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
Maybe. His outright threatening of the President is certainly grounds to raise ethical questions. They just might not be the right kinds of ethical questions to warrant an investigation.
What?
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
The more I read about Whitaker, the more he comes across to me as a dodgy businessman and fraudster.
Like flies to horse ****.
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Old Today, 02:54 AM   #3529
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
Or he could just be a generally traitorous partisan who's far more interested in "winning" than the good of the country.
It's concerning that it's difficult to tell the difference.
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Old Today, 03:43 AM   #3530
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
What?
In response to Obama trying to make a bipartisan statement strongly condemning Russia for their electoral interference before the election, McConnell outright threatened him with the claim that he would loudly proclaim it to all be a partisan ploy and generally undermine anything he could in relation to that. There was a dramatically watered down bipartisan statement released later, though, apparently.

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It's concerning that it's difficult to tell the difference.
It is, though what's more concerning is that it's on the table in the first place and hasn't resulted in pretty much any penalties given to McConnell... including from the loudly patriotic "Support the President because he's the President" crowd on the right.
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Old Today, 08:44 AM   #3531
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
It is, though what's more concerning is that it's on the table in the first place and hasn't resulted in pretty much any penalties given to McConnell... including from the loudly patriotic "Support the President because he's the President" crowd on the right.
No wonder they're loud, they recently had an 8-year sabbatical.
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