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Old 2nd August 2019, 05:48 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
I'm curious to know what a right wing utopia looks like and what - if any - major American cities embody it.
It should be noted that the only reply to this query from a conservative was a reference to a fictional town from a 1960s television show, which coincidentally had an all-white population.
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Old 2nd August 2019, 05:54 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
It should be noted that the only reply to this query from a conservative was a reference to a fictional town from a 1960s television show, which coincidentally had an all-white population.
What an utterly bizarre notion! It's like trying to imagine an African one with an all-black population, a Chinese one that's all-Chinese, a sub-continental Indian one that's all Indian ....
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
What an utterly bizarre notion! It's like trying to imagine an African one with an all-black population, a Chinese one that's all-Chinese, a sub-continental Indian one that's all Indian ....
You think there weren't any non-white people in the US before the 1970s?
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Old 2nd August 2019, 06:16 AM   #84
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
What an utterly bizarre notion! It's like trying to imagine an African one with an all-black population, a Chinese one that's all-Chinese, a sub-continental Indian one that's all Indian ....
Which major American city best represents your superior conservative ideals?
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Old 2nd August 2019, 06:20 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
You're talking b******s. The populations of Scandinavia and Australasia are both small and sparse.

The population densities of Scandinavian cities may well be as high or higher than many US or continental European ones, but the total populations and areas are minute in comparison.
I did these by hand yesterday, but here's a link to the wikipedia table.

Selected Country Population per square mile
Netherlands 1,081
Belgium 974
United Kingdom 710
Germany 601
Denmark 350
European Union 112
United States 87
Sweden 59

Maybe you could clarify your point since the numbers don't seem to help. What are you saying here? What exactly is "minute" by comparison to what other thing and what are the exact consequences of that minute-ness?

Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
Once cities the size of those in the US decay beyond a certain point they're to all intents screwed, FUBAR.
Is the US FUBAR too? We have relatively few large cities by your measurement and our population is much less urban than that of other countries. Or are you saying that Stockholm is the key to Sweden, and that when it "decays" population-wise then they are "screwed?" I'm really not understanding your point.

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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
What an utterly bizarre notion! It's like trying to imagine an African one with an all-black population, a Chinese one that's all-Chinese, a sub-continental Indian one that's all Indian ....
The U.S. was about 11% minority in 1960, the majority of which were African American. Seems rather more diverse than the other regions you mention.

Don't get me wrong. I don't find it a great sin that The Andy Griffith Show didn't reflect that diversity. They were a product of their times and the notion of racial diversity in television was simply not entertained. That's a shame, but I can live with it.

But I'd wager that while there were a lot of all-white towns in the US in the 60s, this was a product of racism and explicit segregation, not the fact that the US is white majority.
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Old 2nd August 2019, 08:27 AM   #87
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What a tool.

'Too bad!': Trump responds to reports of a burglary at Rep. Elijah Cummings' Baltimore home

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President Donald Trump took to Twitter on Friday to call attention to a break-in at the home of a Baltimore congressman he has been sharply criticizing for days.

Trump was referring to reports in Baltimore media that police are investigating a burglary at Rep. Elijah Cummings’ home in West Baltimore that took place on Saturday.

“Really bad news! The Baltimore house of Elijah Cummings was robbed,” Trump tweeted on Friday. “Too bad!”
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Old 2nd August 2019, 08:31 AM   #88
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This post offends me.

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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post

More like too funny. This happened before Trump's tweets about Cummings by the way.
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Double post.
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Originally Posted by tanabear View Post
Any town drunk will do.



Rural rednecks are least privileged and powerful group in America. They are the butt of jokes and are routinely demeaned for their way of life. Rednecks have no power culturally or governmentally and they certainly have no power in our great liberal cities. Whatever problems Baltimore, Chicago, Milwaukee, and St. Louis have it certainly can't be laid at the feet of rednecks.



This is true. The rise of the Black Lives Matter(BLM) movement was largely based on a fiction though, "Hands up, don't shoot." This lie was comparable in its negative effects as Iraq, WMD and links to Al-Qaeda. When you have BLM and their supporters marching through streets chanting, "Cops and Klan go hand and hand", it certainly doesn't help the police-community relationship.

But this is exactly my point. The hostility to the police that came out of the BLM movement caused the cops to retreat to the donut shops so to speak. There was less pro-active policing and attempts to prevent crimes from occurring to begin with. This led to a huge spike in the murder/crime rate in these cities. With thousands of extra murders and destroyed communities, was it worth it?



Bernie Sanders considered West Baltimore to resemble a third world country. "...anyone who took the walk that we took around this neighborhood would not think you’re in a wealthy nation. You would think that you’re in a third world country.”
Bernie Sanders.



Yes, I know how this game is played. Anyone winning an argument with a Leftist is a racist. A "racist" is just someone who isn't afraid to tell the truth.



His best was, "Get your biscuits in the oven and your buns in the bed."
And another one outs himself.....

And I bet he does not get that Kinky Friedman was ridiculing Sexism with
"Get your biscuits in the oven and your buns in the bed"
And "They Ain't Making Jews Like Jesus Anymore" is Kinky's best, anyway.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
Your victim complex routine is spot on.
Yup, oldest trick in the book when you are screwing somebody over, claim you are the real victim.
Portraying the Nazis as the real victims was a favorite tactic of Dr. Goebbels.
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
It’s great that so many of our conservative forum members volunteered to out themselves as racist all in one thread. It makes it much easier to notate for future reference.

Thanks guys!
Its disappointing that there are so many. Some of the usernames have really surprised me, and I'll be re-evluating my interactions with them in future now that they have shown their true colours.
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You're talking b******s. The populations of Scandinavia and Australasia are both small and sparse.

The population densities of Scandinavian cities may well be as high or higher than many US or continental European ones, but the total populations and areas are minute in comparison. Once cities the size of those in the US decay beyond a certain point they're to all intents screwed, FUBAR.

But you carry on obfuscating and playing semantic games if it makes you happy.

Goalpost move spotted!
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Sydney and Melbourne would be the second and third largest cities in the United States.
No it wouldn't. You only get that if you compare Australian metropolitan areas to US cities (apples to oranges). If you compare Australian metropolitan areas to US metropolitan areas (apples to apples), then the results look quote a bit different.

According to Wikipedia, Sydney has an area of 12,368 km2 and a population of about 5.2 million people. The city of Los Angeles proper has a population just below 4 million, but it has an area of only 1,300 km2. Los Angeles metropolitan area has an area of 12,562 km2, so it's very comparable, but it's got a population of over 13 million. So that's more than twice the density.

If you actually compare apples to apples, then Sydney and Melbourne would come in at numbers 10 and 11. on the list of combined US and Australian metro areas.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
No it wouldn't. You only get that if you compare Australian metropolitan areas to US cities (apples to oranges). If you compare Australian metropolitan areas to US metropolitan areas (apples to apples), then the results look quote a bit different.

According to Wikipedia, Sydney has an area of 12,368 km2 and a population of about 5.2 million people. The city of Los Angeles proper has a population just below 4 million, but it has an area of only 1,300 km2. Los Angeles metropolitan area has an area of 12,562 km2, so it's very comparable, but it's got a population of over 13 million. So that's more than twice the density.

If you actually compare apples to apples, then Sydney and Melbourne would come in at numbers 10 and 11. on the list of combined US and Australian metro areas.
Well, you sure scored a point of some sort here. Well done.
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Well, you sure scored a point of some sort here. Well done.
Oh, I have no broader point. I'm merely making a correction about city sizes. Is it wrong to do so?
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Thank you for the clarification. I was multi tasking and didn’t double check how the city vs metro was defined.
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What an utterly bizarre notion! It's like trying to imagine an African one with an all-black population, a Chinese one that's all-Chinese, a sub-continental Indian one that's all Indian ....
You are arguing against yourself. Africa, China and India are parts of the world with many different ethnic, religious and linguistic groups... much like America.

Take China for example: you have plenty of different religious groups, including most prominently Muslims (who used to be far more prominent politically before the communists took over), Buddhists (of different traditions) and people who follow Confucian teachings and other folk beliefs. Hell China was even ruled by a non-Han Chinese dynasty for hundreds of years.

Chinese nationalists have sought, since before the 20th century, to subsume all of these different groups under the label of "Chinese" but reality is far more complex than that.
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Very good article blaming both sides for the problems in Baltimore:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/m...edy-crime.html
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
Very good article blaming both sides for the problems in Baltimore:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/m...edy-crime.html
Yeah: the right for causing it and the left for not fixing it.
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Oh, I have no broader point. I'm merely making a correction about city sizes. Is it wrong to do so?
Not wrong at all. Just continuing an irrelevant derail. The original post re population sizes was totally wrong so all of the following hair splitting means nothing.
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So, the more conservative US fails to provide both wealth and safety to its citizens?
No, the more diverse US...
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The implication appears to be that, as the US population continues to grow it will become less and less governable. This will necessitate moving further and further to the political right until fascism is the only choice left.
Glad we see eye to eye on some things. Diverse populations become "less and less governable." We have skeptics lauding the great city of New York and its relatively low crime rate. NYPD is essentially a paramilitary and New York City is effectively a police city-state.
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
Very good article blaming both sides for the problems in Baltimore:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/m...edy-crime.html
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Yeah: the right for causing it and the left for not fixing it.
You also had some very fine people on both sides.
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Glad we see eye to eye on some things. Diverse populations become "less and less governable." We have skeptics lauding the great city of New York and its relatively low crime rate. NYPD is essentially a paramilitary and New York City is effectively a police city-state.
Steve'll probably correct me if I'm wrong. His post you think he sees "eye to eye" with you on I read as sarcastic. The outcome of his projection (fascism) being the ridiculous, fevered wish of certain folk. Do you desire to see fascism established in the US?
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Glad we see eye to eye on some things. Diverse populations become "less and less governable." We have skeptics lauding the great city of New York and its relatively low crime rate. NYPD is essentially a paramilitary and New York City is effectively a police city-state.
If this is true (which I seriously doubt) then the people of New York city seem mostly pretty damned happy about it.
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Steve'll probably correct me if I'm wrong. His post you think he sees "eye to eye" with you on I read as sarcastic. The outcome of his projection (fascism) being the ridiculous, fevered wish of certain folk. Do you desire to see fascism established in the US?
He probably does, so long as its white folks doin' al the fascising!
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Do you desire to see fascism established in the US?
He very clearly does. He just agreed to the proposition of its necessity a few posts ago.
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This is a new one! I'm used to seeing New York trashed by the right as a liberal lalaland -- in fact that was stated here just recently, wasn't it? -- but I never thought I'd see a winger bash the city as being a police state. A police state? In common with their leader, it appears they'll say anything in order to avoid any kind of meaningful and civil discussion. Anything!
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According to the Alesina list of ethnic diversity, the US has a fractional index of 0.490100, while Canada has a fractional index of 0.712400. The closer the number is to 1, the more ethnically diverse the country. So Canada is more ethnically diverse than the US.

If "ethnicity" doesn't cut it, and you want to separate it in to "white people" and "people who aren't white", then 76.5% of the US population is white, while 72.5% of the population of Canada is white. So on that score they are more or less the same.

While Canada is sparsely populated if you go by total area, the truth is that it's highly urbanised, with 80% of its population living in large to medium cities (defined as having a population of 100,000 or more). 40% of US citizens live in cities with a population of 50,000 or more. I can't find a breakdown to make the two figures directly comparable, but it's clear that a much larger percentage of the Canadian population lives in medium or large cities.

Yet the murder rate per 100,000 people per year in the US is 5.3, whereas in Canada it's 1.8.

I feel that any hypothesis that attempts to explain the high murder rate in the US as being due to ethnic diversity or urbanisation will have to explain this, as well as my earlier post which demonstrated that a higher percentage of black people in a population also didn't predict a higher murder rate.
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...I feel that any hypothesis that attempts to explain the high murder rate in the US as being due to ethnic diversity or urbanisation will have to explain this, as well as my earlier post which demonstrated that a higher percentage of black people in a population also didn't predict a higher murder rate.
Realistically don't expect there are going to be any explanations offered. Just the usual right wing memes and come backs. Example: I highlighted and Googled some of the statements in the OP. It led me to a Twitter discussion from 2018 started by Steve Sailer. The OP took part in that exchange.
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Old 3rd August 2019, 10:48 AM   #114
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
Steve'll probably correct me if I'm wrong. His post you think he sees "eye to eye" with you on I read as sarcastic. The outcome of his projection (fascism) being the ridiculous, fevered wish of certain folk. Do you desire to see fascism established in the US?
Steve sees nothing to correct in your post. I am amazed that my post can be interpreted as “agreeing” with anything.
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Old 3rd August 2019, 11:44 AM   #115
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
No, a racist is someone who blames society's ills on black people and openly cribs from an established white supremacist in making that argument.
Leftists blame societies ills on rural rednecks. Is that racist? Being a "progressive" is just knowing who to hate. If you blame the wrong groups you're "racist". If you blame the right groups you're "progressive".

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It should be noted that the only reply to this query from a conservative was a reference to a fictional town from a 1960s television show, which coincidentally had an all-white population.
America was roughly 90% white in the 50s and 60s. Mayberry represented small-town USA at the time. There were probably many towns like Mayberry. Were there trust issues between the police and the communities they served? No.

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Which major American city best represents your superior conservative ideals?
There aren't many small towns or cities left that have escaped the contagion from the Left. But if I had to name one, Provo, Utah.

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Its disappointing that there are so many. Some of the usernames have really surprised me, and I'll be re-evluating my interactions with them in future now that they have shown their true colours.
That's right. Talking to infidels and heretics is a no-no. It is best to not engage.

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Very good article blaming both sides for the problems in Baltimore:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/m...edy-crime.html
If by both sides you mean white Democrats and black Democrats, then yeah. Baltimore is a one-party city and has been dominated by Democrats for decades. There hasn't been a Republican mayor since the 1960s. Republicans are lucky to get 10-15% of the vote in any election in that city. Baltimore is an indication of what happens to cities when elected officials no longer worry about competition from Republicans. There might be cities where Democrats dominate, but if they screw-up too much the people might elect a Republican. This was the case with NYC in 1994, where the heavily Democratic city did not elect another Democrat as mayor for 20 years! But if a city has passed that tipping point, like Baltimore, it doesn't matter how bad the city gets, the populace will simply never, ever vote majority Republican.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
According to the Alesina list of ethnic diversity, the US has a fractional index of 0.490100, while Canada has a fractional index of 0.712400. The closer the number is to 1, the more ethnically diverse the country. So Canada is more ethnically diverse than the US.

If "ethnicity" doesn't cut it, and you want to separate it in to "white people" and "people who aren't white", then 76.5% of the US population is white, while 72.5% of the population of Canada is white. So on that score they are more or less the same.

While Canada is sparsely populated if you go by total area, the truth is that it's highly urbanised, with 80% of its population living in large to medium cities (defined as having a population of 100,000 or more). 40% of US citizens live in cities with a population of 50,000 or more. I can't find a breakdown to make the two figures directly comparable, but it's clear that a much larger percentage of the Canadian population lives in medium or large cities.

Yet the murder rate per 100,000 people per year in the US is 5.3, whereas in Canada it's 1.8.

I feel that any hypothesis that attempts to explain the high murder rate in the US as being due to ethnic diversity or urbanisation will have to explain this, as well as my earlier post which demonstrated that a higher percentage of black people in a population also didn't predict a higher murder rate.
Careful now. Captain Howdy gave me a big laughing dog for saying this! No actual facts or content in reply, mind you, just that dodge.

The facts are that the very basis on which Baylor and the like claim that diversity = societal dysfunction, is fundamentally flawed. If there were any truth to it, the places that are even more diverse, such as Canada, would have even more societal problems than the USA. The fact they do not lays those flaws bare.

You don't get Baltimore from diversity and inclusiveness, you get Baltimore from the conditions of entrenched discrimination, and disenfranchisement of groups based on their ethnicity and culture... and you get those conditions predominantly from the attitudes of racists from the ranks of white nationalists, white supremacists and the far right of the political and social spectrum.
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Old 3rd August 2019, 12:41 PM   #117
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Background: Kimberly Klacik, Baltimore and Trump

It was Kimberly Klacik, a black conservative, that has brought the recent attention to the city of Baltimore. She heard Elijah Cummings say on ABC's This Week that members of his district are scared of Trump. She thought that with all the issues in Baltimore how could they be afraid of Trump. She decided to go to Baltimore to find out. She took a tour of west Baltimore and found trash piled up everywhere, rats, needles and other types of waste. Fox and Friends aired her video and this is what prompted Trump's tweets of Elijah Cummings and Baltimore.

Apparently the trash had not been picked up since December of 2018! Baltimore residents call 311 if trash needs to be cleared out. The residents of this neighborhood had been doing this for months, but because the city is so dysfunctional nothing happened.

Kimberly Klacik tweets: "The President saw my work. This just made my day ��."

Kimberly Klacik tweets: "Let's continue to expose the truth. This is a neighborhood filled w/families that have small children. West Baltimore is filled with trash thanks to dumping. A problem city officials should have addressed years ago. This is @RepCummings district. @realDonaldTrump "

Kimberly Klacik tweets: "As you can see, West Baltimore residents care about their homes. Residents constantly call the city to report illegal dumping, cries fall on deaf ears. Many point out this would never happen at the Baltimore Inner Harbor. I agree."

Kimberly noted that whenever the City Council voted to remove Confederate statues it was done within a day. So why couldn't they clean up garbage that had been sitting around for months? The leaders of Baltimore seem more concerned with destroying heritage than in cleaning up their city.

The good news is that there is now a private contractor that has gone in to clean up the garbage that has been sitting around for months.

Note: The longer a city, state or county is governed by the Democratic Left the more closely it will resemble a garbage dump.

So black conservatives and white conservatives work together to address and solve real problems. Black liberals and white liberals get together to scream RACIST! This is politics in the current year.
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
: I highlighted and Googled some of the statements in the OP. It led me to a Twitter discussion from 2018 started by Steve Sailer. The OP took part in that exchange.


Ick. Steve Sailer is gross.

Maybe it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Assert that diversity is going to bring society down
Shoot up a diverse Wal Mart
Blame the diversity
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
76.5% of the US population is white, while 72.5% of the population of Canada is white. So on that score they are more or less the same.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Careful now. Captain Howdy gave me a big laughing dog for saying this! No actual facts or content in reply, mind you, just that dodge.
You can't even get the name of the ISF member right, so how exactly is anyone suppose to take you seriously?

As for the "dodge" that wasn't. I am well-aware of skeptics trying to use me as Google in order to play some stupid "gotcha." Not interested.

As for the "USA is 77% white!" I've been down this road many times with skeptics and have no interest in having this conversation with 67 year old men.

When it's convenient for skeptics, there are less than 200 million white people in the US. Information Analyst tried to get the white homicide rate as high as he could, so the US was about 60% white. Now Canadians are trying to pin US problems on white people, then there are suddenly an extra 70,000,000 white people in the US.

Not a game I'm interested in playing. I'll let the 50+ year old white non-Americans play this stupid game.
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On the contrary, it's you who doesn't understand what the FBI data you have cited is showing.

I'll break this down into nice easy steps for you.

The FBI figures show the following arrests for homicide in 2013:

* White = 3,799
* Total = 8,383

This works out to the following rates:

* White = 197,362,672 = 1.92
* Total population = 328,305,368 = 2.55

In 2016 there were 15,070 actually homicides in the United States. Apply the same percentage of White arrests (45.3%) to scale up to possible perpetrators and we get:

* White = 6,829
* All = 15,070

For rates:

* White population = 197,362,672 = 3.46
* Total population = 328,305,368 = 4.59

Your move.
Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post

If "ethnicity" doesn't cut it, and you want to separate it in to "white people" and "people who aren't white", then 76.5% of the US population is white, while 72.5% of the population of Canada is white. So on that score they are more or less the same.
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