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Old 31st October 2019, 06:49 AM   #1
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Clark County GOP Elects Convicted Sexual Predator

The Republican Party once again showing their true colours.

Election of party official rocks Clark County GOP

Man elected to post was convicted of residential burglary, violation of a civil anti-harassment order and furnishing alcohol to minors


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Over a two-month period in 2010, and despite a previously filed restraining order preventing him from contacting her, Clark repeatedly snuck into a 15-year-old girl’s bedroom in the Sherwood neighborhood, according to an affidavit of probable cause filed in Clark County Superior Court.

After tapping on the window to grab the girl’s attention and using a folding metal chair to enter the room, Clark — 43 at the time — and the girl would hug and kiss on her bed, the affidavit said.

A 43 year old sneaking into a 15 year old's bedroom late at night. Nothing at all creepy or disturbing about that.

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Clark was arrested on suspicion of 10 counts of residential burglary with sexual motivation, according to court records. He was later convicted of residential burglary, violation of a civil anti-harassment order and furnishing alcohol to minors, and he was sentenced to roughly nine months in jail.

And this is the sort of the person that the GOP -- the same GOP who slanders homosexuals and transpeople as child-molesting perverts, and attempts to legislate them out of existence -- considers this emotionally stunted sexual predator to be the best leader they could find for their county.

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On Tuesday, he was elected chair of the party’s Bylaws and Resolutions Committee with 70 percent of the vote in a secret ballot, according to an email from Clark County Republican Chair Earl Bowerman obtained by The Columbian.

The 10 voters had previous knowledge of Clark’s criminal past, the email said.

The party of "family values" and "personal responsibility" in a nutshell, folks.
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Old 31st October 2019, 07:47 AM   #2
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He has subsequently resigned, but the fact that he was elected in the first place is a problem
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Old 31st October 2019, 12:08 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by luchog View Post
A 43 year old sneaking into a 15 year old's bedroom late at night. Nothing at all creepy or disturbing about that.
I thought that was customary in America, to avoid being shot and killed by the "lord of the castle" for trying to see your teenage lover.
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Originally Posted by luchog View Post
A 43 year old sneaking into a 15 year old's bedroom late at night. Nothing at all creepy or disturbing about that.

And this is the sort of the person that the GOP -- the same GOP who slanders homosexuals and transpeople as child-molesting perverts, and attempts to legislate them out of existence
Self-loathing, you think?
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Old 31st October 2019, 12:31 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Self-loathing, you think?

It does seem odd how many of the rabidly anti-LGBTQ Republicans turn out to be closet cases, or get caught with minors in compromising situations. And, of course, this is also the party of "Better a paedophile than a liberal".
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Old 31st October 2019, 01:23 PM   #6
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Of course this particular crime is wholly entirely creepy, but still, generally speaking, if the position, any position, doesn't specifically exclude this kind of criminal background in candidates, then why shouldn't someone that's otherwise qualified be elected or appointed to it? As long as due process -- of law as far as the crime, and also of the process itself as applicable to the appointment -- has been followed?

I mean it's not as if some crimes -- any crime, no matter how reprehensible -- do not admit of rehabilitation at all, is it, at least not unless the law deems that crime to be such.
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Originally Posted by Chanakya View Post
I mean it's not as if some crimes -- any crime, no matter how reprehensible -- do not admit of rehabilitation at all, is it, at least not unless the law deems that crime to be such.
In principle when it comes to elected or appointed posts, whether it's in a political party or not, it's a matter of what kind of image you want to have thats important. This is because it acts as a kind of testament to the quality of the candidates you have to offer, and thus the quality of the organisation as a whole.

A convicted murderer or rapist might make a great politician or head of some public agency, but having them in any position of any kind of importance or prominence (even if it's just nominal) easily gives the impression that you didn't have a lot of other candidates to choose from. Couldn't they choose someone who was a great choice but not a murderer or rapist?

I mean it's not like you can't use your talents from behind the scenes and without harming your organisations reputation.
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As much as the bloke is scum and the vote was incredibly bad, reading the article the bloke ain't a "convicted sexual predator"

He is a convicted supplier of alcohol to minors
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Originally Posted by Chanakya View Post
Of course this particular crime is wholly entirely creepy, but still, generally speaking, if the position, any position, doesn't specifically exclude this kind of criminal background in candidates, then why shouldn't someone that's otherwise qualified be elected or appointed to it? As long as due process -- of law as far as the crime, and also of the process itself as applicable to the appointment -- has been followed?

I mean it's not as if some crimes -- any crime, no matter how reprehensible -- do not admit of rehabilitation at all, is it, at least not unless the law deems that crime to be such.
A one time thing... maybe. Maybe. Probably not, but perhaps.

But this guy was a serial offender; and the crimes were "creepy" which means they're morally repugnant. Why in the world would I or anyone wish to trust that this guy wouldn't also do other morally repugnant things while in office, possibly betraying the very public trust that's inherent in the job in the first place?

He demonstrated beyond all reasonable doubt that he was willing to corrupt the youths of society in a most depraved manner.

I find it hard to think that this would be in any way equivalent to, say, a one-time DUI or carrying a concealed firearm without a permit or something else that's unrelated to a government office -- like theft or other financial crime which could have a direct bearing.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
As much as the bloke is scum and the vote was incredibly bad, reading the article the bloke ain't a "convicted sexual predator"

He is a convicted supplier of alcohol to minors
Ah yes, James Randi himself once made that mistake and was successfully sued for $0 dollars.
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Old 31st October 2019, 04:47 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
Ah yes, James Randi himself once made that mistake and was successfully sued for $0 dollars.
This weirdo is sueing luchog over his thread title?
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A one time thing... maybe. Maybe. Probably not, but perhaps.

But this guy was a serial offender; and the crimes were "creepy" which means they're morally repugnant. Why in the world would I or anyone wish to trust that this guy wouldn't also do other morally repugnant things while in office, possibly betraying the very public trust that's inherent in the job in the first place?

He demonstrated beyond all reasonable doubt that he was willing to corrupt the youths of society in a most depraved manner.

I find it hard to think that this would be in any way equivalent to, say, a one-time DUI or carrying a concealed firearm without a permit or something else that's unrelated to a government office -- like theft or other financial crime which could have a direct bearing.
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The world loves the reformed sinner.
Yup, if you're a Christian... or white man... or wealthy.


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Unless you're a Christian... or white man... or wealthy.
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As much as the bloke is scum and the vote was incredibly bad, reading the article the bloke ain't a "convicted sexual predator"

He is a convicted supplier of alcohol to minors
That's like even worse. Where i live he wouldn't have faced charges for having sex with a 15 year old even if he had, but plying them with alcohol? Definitively. Even if they begged them and promised sex in return, it doesn't exactly give a serious and responsible impression.
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heh.

Where I'm from he probably wouldn't even be charged with supplying alcohol to a 15 year old.

But from an ethics standpoint I would say it's a shame he got elected despite that behavior and record.
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As much as the bloke is scum and the vote was incredibly bad, reading the article the bloke ain't a "convicted sexual predator"

He is a convicted supplier of alcohol to minors

What part of "10 counts of residential burglary with sexual motivation" are you failing to understand?
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What part of "10 counts of residential burglary with sexual motivation" are you failing to understand?
I think his point was that he was arrested on those counts but not convicted. But that's not actually clear. Luchog's quote says:

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Clark was [hilited]arrested on suspicion of[/hilite] 10 counts of residential burglary with sexual motivation, according to court records. He was later convicted of residential burglary, violation of a civil anti-harassment order and furnishing alcohol to minors, and he was sentenced to roughly nine months in jail.
So it's not clear if the conviction of "residential burglary" was a conviction of "residential burglary with sexual motivation". It seems to me entirely possible that it was a conviction of residential burglary with sexual motivation.

Even if it's not, it seems pretty clear what happened here. I doubt he was sneaking in to help her with her homework.
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In principle when it comes to elected or appointed posts, whether it's in a political party or not, it's a matter of what kind of image you want to have thats important. This is because it acts as a kind of testament to the quality of the candidates you have to offer, and thus the quality of the organisation as a whole.

A convicted murderer or rapist might make a great politician or head of some public agency, but having them in any position of any kind of importance or prominence (even if it's just nominal) easily gives the impression that you didn't have a lot of other candidates to choose from. Couldn't they choose someone who was a great choice but not a murderer or rapist?

I mean it's not like you can't use your talents from behind the scenes and without harming your organisations reputation.

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A one time thing... maybe. Maybe. Probably not, but perhaps.

But this guy was a serial offender; and the crimes were "creepy" which means they're morally repugnant. Why in the world would I or anyone wish to trust that this guy wouldn't also do other morally repugnant things while in office, possibly betraying the very public trust that's inherent in the job in the first place?

He demonstrated beyond all reasonable doubt that he was willing to corrupt the youths of society in a most depraved manner.

I find it hard to think that this would be in any way equivalent to, say, a one-time DUI or carrying a concealed firearm without a permit or something else that's unrelated to a government office -- like theft or other financial crime which could have a direct bearing.

I agree, this speaks to what qualities were considered permissible, politically. That, in turns, fits in with the hypocrisy some people referred to, of rightwingers strawmanning incessantly about pedophiles, intentionally conflating this with homosexuality and with liberalism in general.

But what I was speaking about is the general principle of rehabilitation.

Take his particular crimes, reprehensible though the picture is. Personally I wouldn't want my young cousin or my hypothetical future teenage children anywhere near him, but is that really fair when you think about it?

So he's a pedophile, and has been demonstrably unable to control his ...urges. (Okay, ephebophile, not pedophile -- I'm channeling that thread of the theprestige's in trotting out that term!) So anyway, after due process of law -- which could mean investigation followed by acquital, or investigation with some penalty and that penalty paid and/or time served -- the law sets him loose again, a free man.

Sure, the law is sometimes an ass, but we can't really base our actions on that principle, can we? We as private citizens, if we in any way sanctioned this man beyond the remit of the law, beyond such checks as the law has currently put on him, we'd effectivey be guilty of a kind of vigilantism. That might be illegal and, in any case, would be unfair to the man. Pedophilia, ephebophilia, these probably cannot be 'cured', but the man may have learnt to put a lid on it. The chance of repeat offense may be real, but we can't, surely, deny the man the chance of rehabilitation, we can't, surely, sanction him beyond what the law has prescribed?

This may be an instance where our armchair judgment might do well to go against our immediate gut feeling (which gut feeling is not unjustifiably further riled given the whole rightwing hypocrisy thing, but still).
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Originally Posted by Chanakya View Post
Pedophilia, ephebophilia, these probably cannot be 'cured', but the man may have learnt to put a lid on it.

One of the first things you learn in any kind of rational behavioural therapy, whether its for addiction, sexual deviancy, or various mental disorders, is that the lid does not stay on by itself, and will happily pop right off if you let it. The key to keeping a lid on self-destructive or other detrimental behaviours is to avoid as much as possible doing the sorts of things that feed and encourage those behaviours. Stay away from your old drinking buddies if you want to stay sober, move to a different environment if your current one is exacerbating your disorder, stay away from children if you want to avoid acting on your urges to sexually abuse them.

Putting a lid on is not a one-time thing, it's an active, ongoing process. So yeah, it's not fair to keep them locked in cages as long as they're making the effort to rehabilitate themselves; but it's totally fair not to want someone like Dan Clark, or Roy Moore, around your teenage daughters, nieces, or any other teenage girls, regardless. And if they're serious about wanting to rehabilitate themselves, they will avoid putting themselves in those situations. Didn't see anything in the article about Clark actually being rehabilitated, or even acknowledging he did anything wrong.
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I think his point was that he was arrested on those counts but not convicted. But that's not actually clear. Luchog's quote says:



So it's not clear if the conviction of "residential burglary" was a conviction of "residential burglary with sexual motivation". It seems to me entirely possible that it was a conviction of residential burglary with sexual motivation.

Even if it's not, it seems pretty clear what happened here. I doubt he was sneaking in to help her with her homework.
My point was he was arrested on suspicion of that and ended up being convicted of this.

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Edit: The reason I only pointed out the alcohol one is that is the only one that directly refers to a kid
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My point was he was arrested on suspicion of that and ended up being convicted of this.
Right, that's what I said.

I also pointed out that it's not entirely clear that the thing he was arrested for and the thing he was convicted of are different things. That writer omitted the "with sexual motivation" from the thing he was convicted of isn't clear evidence to me that he wasn't convicted of "residential burglary with sexual motivation", though it's also not clear that he was.
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Right, that's what I said.

I also pointed out that it's not entirely clear that the thing he was arrested for and the thing he was convicted of are different things. That writer omitted the "with sexual motivation" from the thing he was convicted of isn't clear evidence to me that he wasn't convicted of "residential burglary with sexual motivation", though it's also not clear that he was.
Think I get what you mean.

The convictions wording is vague and may cover something which makes him qualify as a sexual predator?

Edit: And/or it isn't clear he wasn't convicted of other things
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The convictions wording is vague and may cover something which makes him qualify as a sexual predator?
Yes.

He was arrested for residential burglary with sexual motivation.

He was convicted of residential burglary.

Was the residential burglary he was convicted of the same sort that he was arrested for (that is, with sexual motivation) or not? The sentence is vague.
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Yes.

He was arrested for residential burglary with sexual motivation.

He was convicted of residential burglary.

Was the residential burglary he was convicted of the same sort that he was arrested for (that is, with sexual motivation) or not? The sentence is vague.
Fair call
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Another source says he later married his victim once she turned 18. A 43 year old man groomed a teenager and married her the second it became legal. Gross.
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It does seem odd how many of the rabidly anti-LGBTQ Republicans turn out to be closet cases, or get caught with minors in compromising situations. And, of course, this is also the party of "Better a paedophile than a liberal".
I know they said better a Russian than a Democrat... but did someone actually say this?
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Another source says he later married his victim once she turned 18. A 43 year old man groomed a teenager and married her the second it became legal. Gross.
Gross indeed

Yet Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis are stilled loved so much.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
I know they said better a Russian than a Democrat... but did someone actually say this?

Several people, in fact. Mostly minor conservative-sphere talking heads on twitter. Unfortunately they seem to have had the sense to take down those tweets, so I can't provide links to direct evidence.
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Several people, in fact. Mostly minor conservative-sphere talking heads on twitter. Unfortunately they seem to have had the sense to take down those tweets, so I can't provide links to direct evidence.
I'll take you at your word... but that's a fantastically stupid thing to say. I don't think the Republican base would support that, hence taking down the tweets.
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delete, misunderstood the comment I was replying to.
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Originally Posted by Roboramma View Post
Yes.

He was arrested for residential burglary with sexual motivation.

He was convicted of residential burglary.

Was the residential burglary he was convicted of the same sort that he was arrested for (that is, with sexual motivation) or not? The sentence is vague.

Vague, but since there's nothing in the article about an actual theft, nothing "burgled", I think as a tentative conclusion it's relatively safe to say that it was the same charge.
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I'll take you at your word... but that's a fantastically stupid thing to say. I don't think the Republican base would support that, hence taking down the tweets.

The current GOP does appear to be quite fond of the taste of their own feet; as well as having quite the taste for historical revisionism on many levels.
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I'll take you at your word... but that's a fantastically stupid thing to say. I don't think the Republican base would support that, hence taking down the tweets.
IIRC, the tweets said, paraphrased ' this individual, even though he is a pedo is better than any Democrat'
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Another source says he later married his victim once she turned 18. A 43 year old man groomed a teenager and married her the second it became legal. Gross.
Yeah, what a sick ****. I try not to judge people for who they are sexually attracted to, but there's a limit to everything. Like how ****** up in the head do you have to be not to recoil in disgust on the thought of being together with a middle aged man? No doubt she has daddy issues, that's the only explanation for her behaviour.
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IIRC, the tweets said, paraphrased ' this individual, even though he is a pedo is better than any Democrat'
That's only marginally better.
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Yeah, what a sick ****. I try not to judge people for who they are sexually attracted to, but there's a limit to everything. Like how ****** up in the head do you have to be not to recoil in disgust on the thought of being together with a middle aged man? No doubt she has daddy issues, that's the only explanation for her behaviour.
Hey, I'm 40-something. I'm not disgusting, I think!

I can't decide whether these adults are just excited at the idea of a barely-legal teen having sex with them, or if they're just using their vulnerability for their own purposes.

Personally I find that, with age, I'm actually progressively more attracted to older women.
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As much as the bloke is scum and the vote was incredibly bad, reading the article the bloke ain't a "convicted sexual predator"
Fine, he's "a sexual predator and a convicted burglar". Better?
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Hey, I'm 40-something. I'm not disgusting, I think!

Hrm...

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I can't decide whether these adults are just excited at the idea of a barely-legal teen having sex with them, or if they're just using their vulnerability for their own purposes.

I think there is something of a clash between evolutionary drive vs. intellectual judgement cultural stricture. Evolutionarily, we're programmed to be attracted to youth and health, prime breeding age and condition. Mid-late teens definitely fall within that window.

However, intellectually and culturally, we're aware that passing on genes is not the end-all-be-all of our lives. We develop a sense of restraint to allow us to develop as people, and grow a bit beyond our base animal instincts. This is what enables us to actually develop complex, intellectually and emotionally fulfilling personalities and social structures.

Within that you have the people who are not interested in personal restraint, but prefer to indulge their baser instincts, and end up intellectually and emotionally underdeveloped as a result. Since we live in a culture that generally frowns upon indulging those urges outside of specific contexts as a general rule, those sorts of people develop an idiosyncratic set of rationalizations which to them justify the social transgressions and lack of judgement.
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Yeah, what a sick ****. I try not to judge people for who they are sexually attracted to, but there's a limit to everything. Like how ****** up in the head do you have to be not to recoil in disgust on the thought of being together with a middle aged man? No doubt she has daddy issues, that's the only explanation for her behaviour.
I wouldn't say that. I find this attitude silly.

A 40 year old isn't 60 or anything. Sexual attraction strongly based on appearance of course. But I think we tend to conflate ages with looks and there are plenty of 30-something looking 40 year olds with good genetics looking youthful and women tend to be attracted to men older than themselves. So it isn't out of the question at all. And same with young men who have fetishes about older women, although interestingly that isn't thought of nearly as taboo, maybe cause of the power dynamics, real or perceived.

My cousin's daughter (first cousin once removed I guess it's called) married a 36 or so year old guy, a lead singer in a small time rock band, who looked young and fresh as ever and she was 17. They have two kids now and take endless selfies together.
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Fine, he's "a sexual predator and a convicted burglar". Better?
For a "sexual predator" his actions come off as pretty tame. Hugs and kisses? Even the President of the United States boast about doing more than that for crying out loud. Definitively not presidential material that's for sure.
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